Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

[LietKynes]

Surely if the driver of the personal vehicle was the driver in the company vehicle leaving at 7:04 am LE would have already id'd the driver by now if that driver was innocently just going to work. He would have certainly returned to pick up his personal truck before going home for the day. If he has not been seen, then it definitely looks like he may be involved.

Emph. Mine

That's why it's curious there's been no arrest yet, but maybe LE have no clue ?
Which might rule out any employees or renters/tenants.

The perp could have fled the state by now.
If that's the case, wouldn't LE have publicly stated the perps' name and issued a bolo ?
Hope this case doesn't grow cold !

Chief Ziegler: “...a special kind of evil...”
Hard to think what kind of situation would put those words in his mouth.
Video: Mandan Police Department Chief Jason Ziegler on mystery deaths in North Dakota

Chilling words.
Were they tortured ? Posed ?
Obviously LE knew it was a homicide.
Gunshot wounds would be my first guess.
Just that stabbing would take time ... and again -- at least the other 3 would have to be restrained.

Eta : Although another newer poster mentioned that the perp could have subdued the first one, stabbed him/her; and then the others as they arrived.
Was there only one victim and the rest were collateral damage ?

 

[Mercedes]

Maybe a discrepancy in the books, someone stealing from the company?

Ooooooh!

 

[Trudie]

Ooooooh!

Also tax time!
You’re thinking along my lines.
Was something discovered?
Moo

 

[Hatfield]

Im trying to catch up and I understand that the articles are implying an attack of some sort.

But is there anything to rule out Carbon Monoxide poisoning from a faulty furnace or water heater or something?

There have been other cases where occupants die of carbon monoxide poisoning and its very difficult to tell what happened.

ETA - If it was done on purpose then maybe someone rigged a ventilation exhaust from a furnace to pipe back into the building. I think I saw that done in a movie once. Would fit the diabolical aspect implied in the articles.

 

[Mercedes]

Snipped.

LE is confident the crime was specific to the victims. Okay, what makes them think that? Was a message left? Like a disgruntled tenant wrote mean words that would be specific toward rent collectors? Or personal (love triangle, business dispute, etc) and someone left a note?

Or bodies arranged? I don't think so, but we don't know when the murders actually happened so there might have been time.

Perhaps it was caught on tape. I can picture a business having cameras at the door and perhaps even inside for security measures. Perhaps they handle cash at times, deal with angry renters, etc. So, maybe the murder is on video that LE has seen? (Geez, I hope this doesn't turn into a case like Missy Bever and SwatPerp.)

What else would indicate at the scene that the victims were specifically targeted?

jmo

Query: all of the victims were targeted or some of the victims? Why would four people be targeted?

 

[NickoD]

But is there anything to rule out Carbon Monoxide poisoning from a faulty furnace or water heater or something?

The police are adamant that this is a homicide and they are looking for the suspect(s).

 

[Isabelle]

Query: all of the victims were targeted or some of the victims? Why would four people be targeted?

Possible one was targeted and the others got in the way?

 

[cody22]

Also tax time!
You’re thinking along my lines.
Was something discovered?
Moo

Mr. and Mrs. Fagler were the owners of the company..... Mr. Cobb was the Maintenence Supervisor.... Mrs. Cobb was the Company Accountant..... Mr. Fueheur was a maintaince man.................We need more basic info...... Something is "hinky" about this case and the video info that has been given out....moo

 

[Hatfield]

The police are adamant that this is a homicide and they are looking for the suspect(s).

Thanks. I tried to quickly scan back through the thread and couldnt find how we are focused on someone doing it on purpose.

That helps to understand the focus. Thanks.

 

[LietKynes]

Snipped.

LE is confident the crime was specific to the victims. Okay, what makes them think that? Was a message left? Like a disgruntled tenant wrote mean words that would be specific toward rent collectors? Or personal (love triangle, business dispute, etc) and someone left a note?

Or bodies arranged? I don't think so, but we don't know when the murders actually happened so there might have been time.

Perhaps it was caught on tape. I can picture a business having cameras at the door and perhaps even inside for security measures. Perhaps they handle cash at times, deal with angry renters, etc. So, maybe the murder is on video that LE has seen? (Geez, I hope this doesn't turn into a case like Missy Bever and SwatPerp.)

What else would indicate at the scene that the victims were specifically targeted?

jmo

Good points.
Either a note or some message was left; or LE know who the perp might be and would like to have a talk with him/her/them, but they've fled ?
I'd imagine they'd have sec. cameras inside as well , esp. if they'd had issues with renters before ?

 

[zecats]

Query: all of the victims were targeted or some of the victims? Why would four people be targeted?

My hunch is still guessing 1 person targeted, others in the way or tried to stop it. IMO

 

[NickoD]

Query: all of the victims were targeted or some of the victims? Why would four people be targeted?

And what makes you as the killer think that your victims would show up first before you have an office full of employees?

 

[tmar]

Mr. and Mrs. Fagler were the owners of the company..... Mr. Cobb was the Maintenence Supervisor.... Mrs. Cobb was the Company Accountant..... Mr. Fueheur was a maintaince man.................We need more basic info...... Something is "hinky" about this case and the video info that has been given out....moo

If there was a meeting, someone may have laced the coffee/drinks.
MOO.

 

[Mercedes]

Mr. and Mrs. Fagler were the owners of the company..... Mr. Cobb was the Maintenence Supervisor.... Mrs. Cobb was the Company Accountant..... Mr. Fueheur was a maintaince man.................We need more basic info...... Something is "hinky" about this case and the video info that has been given out....moo

Ok, what if Mr. Fueheur knew someone in maintenance, etc., was doing something wrong, like fudging records or something like that? So Mr. Fueheur reported it to Mr. Cobb, his supervisor. Mr. Cobb reported it to his wife, and Mrs. Cobb was looking over the accounts. The owner was notified and he called a meeting for Sunday evening to discuss the matter. (And suppose Mrs. F., the other owner, knew about the meeting and who was being discussed.)

Perhaps the alleged guilty party heard about the meeting, got scared, and took everyone out.

Further, LE may have found notes, or whatever, from the meeting and that is why they think it was targeted.

In any event, the suspect on the loose now has nothing to lose. IMO, he/she is still dangerous. I would be very careful, no matter what LE says

 

[Mercedes]

And what makes you as the killer think that your victims would show up first before you have an office full of employees?

True. Good question!

 

[LietKynes]

Also tax time!
You’re thinking along my lines.
Was something discovered?
Moo

Bet LE are taking a look at the books.
I would .
Any renters being evicted ? Any past threats towards the business ?

Since there's been no arrest(s) and the public is "safe", they seem to think this could be within the company or 'personal', towards one or all of the deceased.
So we can speculate along those lines...

What would these four have in common, though.
Other than the fact that two were a married couple; they were just 3 employees and the owner.
So what connection ?
Or again-- just one was targeted ?
I keep assuming they were killed sometime after arriving that morning.
Has anyone found out in msm if they'd talked to loved ones Sun. afternoon or night ?

Im trying to catch up and I understand that the articles are implying an attack of some sort.

But is there anything to rule out Carbon Monoxide poisoning from a faulty furnace or water heater or something?

There have been other cases where occupants die of carbon monoxide poisoning and its very difficult to tell what happened.

ETA - If it was done on purpose then maybe someone rigged a ventilation exhaust from a furnace to pipe back into the building. I think I saw that done in a movie once. Would fit the diabolical aspect implied in the articles.

BBM

^^ Same.
Actually -- in my case -- it was a documentary about a physician who offed his wife in their bedroom by snaking a flexible pipe up to the room and claiming C02 poisoning ?
His own arrogance did him in.
That might be pretty risky as it would take time and could backfire.
The daughter of the married couple used the words "some sort of attack" (paraphrasing).
Even she doesn't know. So LE are keeping this close to the vest.

There needs to be justice for them.
Agreed with above posts.
Someone knew who would be there.

 

[Jabarn]

I see nothing wrong with any of these people going to work early, before the business opened. My question is the security at the building- did you need a key or a password? Wouldn’t the doors have been locked that early?

I guess most are thinking it’s an inside job.

The video of the work vehicle pulling out, if so, may be important.

 

[squareandrabbet]

If there was a meeting, someone may have laced the coffee/drinks.
MOO.

Agreed, I think the only two possible answers are (a), ingestion; (b), inhalation. You might be able to hide something like a needle mark; but I doubt you could inject multiple people against their will without them putting up a fight, so injection's out, IMO.

 

[K9Enzo]

If the business opens tomorrow, that’s very telling, IMO. That’s a crime scene with 4 victims processed quickly.

I don’t believe this will go unsolved for long.

 

[cody22]

Bet LE are taking a look at the books.
I would if I were LE. Any renters being evicted ? Any past threats towards the business ?

Since there's been no arrest(s) and the public is "safe", they seem to think this could be within the company or 'personal', towards one or all of the deceased.
So we can speculate along those lines...

What would these four have in common, though.
Other than the fact that two were a married couple; they were just 3 employees and the owner.
So what connection ?
Or again-- just one was targeted ?
I keep assuming they were killed sometime after arriving that morning.
Has anyone found out in msm if they'd talked to loved ones Sun. afternoon or night ?


BBM

^^ Same.
Actually it was a documentary about (I think) a physician who offed his wife in their bedroom by snaking a flexible pipe up to the room and claiming C02 poisoning ?
His own arrogance did him in.
That might be pretty risky as it would take time and could backfire.
The daughter of the married couple used the words "some sort of attack" (paraphrasing).
Even she doesn't know. So LE are keeping this close to the vest.

There needs to be justice for them.
Agreed with above posts.
Someone knew who would be there.

I can only find info on the Faglers being seen and talked to on Sunday evening...Nothing on the Cobbs or Fueheur for the whole weekend so far...moo