Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

[LietKynes]

Why does that part make me think that people will drive from many miles away just to be at the open office/crime scene? I can't help but think this is not the greatest idea ever. :/

Agreed !
Somewhat strange .
Even if allowing for the fact that a crime scene cleanup has eradicated all traces of blood, etc.
Wouldn't you have the funeral reception at the church ?
Imo.

 

[eucalyptuz]

Do we know from the calls/police statements whether the person receiving CPR died? It sounded like that but we don’t really know. We know that the initial EMT cancelled the call for additional medical units and said he was leaving the scene. Perhaps the patient was stabilized and the EMTs took a look to evaluate the condition of the other victims and realized that it was too late to save them, thus the cancelled unit.
That would leave a live 5th victim and potential witness at the hospital...and a very good reason for all the secrecy surrounding the case...

 

[zecats]

Agreed !
Somewhat strange .
Even if allowing for the fact that a crime scene cleanup has eradicated all traces of blood, etc.
Wouldn't you have the funeral reception at the church ?
Imo.

Ah yes. The location of the reception is strange. Maybe they expect a large number of attendees and need the space? This is sure no longer being treated as a crime scene...lets' get right back in there to work and also have a gathering as well.

Since it's been described as such a large facility, maybe the reception will be limited to certain areas only, where no victim had been found. JMO I don't know..this whole incident is up there as far as mystery is concerned.

 

[kaen]

In one of the first articles that surfaced about this situation, there was a paragraph about a young man and his mother. She had come to the scene b/c he had called her. One of the sentences was that he had approached her and hugged her and stepped beyond the police tape. One has to wonder if he was the person who made the call.

(referenced here: Bodies found at Mandan, N.D. business RJR Maintenance and Management)

 

[sleuthin4fun]

Maybe this has been spoken about. I have not gotten through this entire thread. Several things I am curious about. Police have ruled out a murder/suicide, they have not stated the manner of death, they have stated no weapon was found, they have stated that the public is not in danger. What I find curious is if 4 people were murdered in a violent manner (which I do not know if they were), how does the office reopen in 48 hours? I find that to be interesting. What about evidence? Crime scene clean up etc..... As a nurse I just had another thought. Could they all have been poisoned. It was early in the morning, was it customary to have coffee.
Also a reception is to take place at RJR after the funeral. Hmmmm. Maybe they are thinking the killer may return to the scene of the crime.
Ok so I posted this and have now seen others are curios about this also.

 

[x_files]

Maybe this has been spoken about. I have not gotten through this entire thread. Several things I am curious about. Police have ruled out a murder/suicide, they have not stated the manner of death, they have stated no weapon was found, They have stated that the public is not in danger. What I find curious is if 4 people were murdered in a violent manner (which I do not know), how does the office reopen in 48 hours? I find that to be interesting. What about evidence? Crime scene clean up etc.....
Ok so I posted this and have now seen others are curios about this also.

It seems disturbing to me also. Maybe the crime scene has been barricaded off and not in the front office where customers walk through?
I'm not sure I could/would return to work there that soon or if ever!

 

[GordianKnot]

Chaplains provide support as police, paramedics respond to Mandan homicides
SABBMFAA:
The Rev. Bruce Prentice, a chaplain for the Mandan Police Department, said he was called Monday morning to assist after four bodies were discovered at RJR Maintenance and Management.

“It’s horror. It’s evil in a way that really impacts you more so than normal,” Prentice said. “There’s no way it doesn’t impact you. There’s things you can’t unsee.”

The Crisis Care Chaplaincy program provided a debriefing with Metro-Area Ambulance and the Mandan Fire Department on Monday, said staff chaplain Greg Carr.
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Glad that all first responders on the scene are being offered and provided needed supports.

It looks like EMS and the FD were also on scene based on the fact that both were provided debriefing by the crisis chaplaincy program.

If EMS and/or FD personnel were first to arrive and enter the building vs. LE, that may pose some significant problems in terms of the integrity/preservation of the crime scene.

JMO.

 

[zecats]

In one of the first articles that surfaced about this situation, there was a paragraph about a young man and his mother. She had come to the scene b/c he had called her. One of the sentences was that he had approached her and hugged her and stepped beyond the police tape. One has to wonder if he was the person who made the call.

(referenced here: Bodies found at Mandan, N.D. business RJR Maintenance and Management)

I find those comments interesting as well. Maybe LE was processing/interviewing all employees present at the time and he needed to let her know he was ok. Very possible he was the one who called 911 and maybe discovered the scene.

"Zeigler said he was not aware of officers responding to any other recent incidents at the business that might have been connected to the killings."

"Police announced in a brief statement Monday morning that they had found “several” bodies while responding to a “medical call” to RJR. As hours passed without additional information, people with friends or loved ones who work at RJR gathered beyond a police line, anxious for news about those inside."

"GK, of Mandan, showed up at the business Monday to pick up her son, MK, an employee there. She said Mitchell “called me, said something is going on.” She said he didn’t tell her what.

She and her son hugged, with both of them crying. The son declined comment before going back behind a police line."

Note - changed names to initials.

 

[PrairieWind]

Chaplains provide support as police, paramedics respond to Mandan homicides
Snipped Excerpts from Above Article:
The Rev. Bruce Prentice, a chaplain for the Mandan Police Department, said he was called Monday morning to assist after four bodies were discovered at RJR Maintenance and Management.

“It’s horror. It’s evil in a way that really impacts you more so than normal,” Prentice said. “There’s no way it doesn’t impact you. There’s things you can’t unsee.”

The Crisis Care Chaplaincy program provided a debriefing with Metro-Area Ambulance and the Mandan Fire Department on Monday, said staff chaplain Greg Carr.

Glad that all first responders on the scene are being offered and provided supports.

It looks like EMS and the FD were also on scene based on the fact that both were provided debriefing by the crisis chaplaincy program.

If EMS and/or FD personnel were first to arrive and enter the building vs. LE, that may pose problems in terms of the integrity/preservation of the crime scene.

JMO.

What on Earth did they find in there?!!

 

[tigertales]

MOO

When LE says “targeted” - I wonder what they could have been targeted for?

• Revenge
• Money
• Drugs
• Robbery of something other than money or drugs
• Love gone wrong
• Witness to something

4 murdered, people return to work at the murder location, memorial reception planned to be held at the murder location, public is not at risk.

Such a strange case. MOO

 

[zecats]

Chaplains provide support as police, paramedics respond to Mandan homicides
Snipped Excerpts from Above Article:
The Rev. Bruce Prentice, a chaplain for the Mandan Police Department, said he was called Monday morning to assist after four bodies were discovered at RJR Maintenance and Management.

“It’s horror. It’s evil in a way that really impacts you more so than normal,” Prentice said. “There’s no way it doesn’t impact you. There’s things you can’t unsee.”

The Crisis Care Chaplaincy program provided a debriefing with Metro-Area Ambulance and the Mandan Fire Department on Monday, said staff chaplain Greg Carr.

Glad that all first responders on the scene are being offered and provided supports.

It looks like EMS and the FD were also on scene based on the fact that both were provided debriefing by the crisis chaplaincy program.

If EMS and/or FD personnel were first to arrive and enter the building vs. LE, that may pose problems in terms of the integrity/preservation of the crime scene.

JMO.

Wow. This keeps getting more and more complex, bizarre, and scary. First responders need support? "Things you can't unsee?" First responders are normally prepared for those kinds of things..I thought. Just wow!

ETA Were they possibly dismembered? Mutilated? If so, how was the scene cleaned and released so quickly? And this was directed only at these 4 people? I'm more confused than ever. And disheartened.

 

[kaen]

Wow. This keeps getting more and more complex, bizarre, and scary. First responders need support? "Things you can't unsee?" First responders are normally prepared for those kinds of things..I thought. Just wow!

In a small town, I would guess they see very few murder or multiple murder scenes. If police had been on scene first, EMS would not have been in the space given they were all deceased. Horrific car accidents and natural disasters often require the same counsel because of the enormity. I hope they all get what they need.

 

[LietKynes]

Wow. This keeps getting more and more complex, bizarre, and scary. First responders need support? "Things you can't unsee?" First responders are normally prepared for those kinds of things..I thought. Just wow!

Ikr ?

Sorry to speculate so graphically -- but we know so little about what actually happened.

Massively gory ? Posed ?

When they opened business so soon, I was thinking a relatively 'clean' crime scene, as in maybe they were hanged.
So no gunshot blasts and damage to walls, furniture, etc.

Just so odd to have the reception in the place of the crime. Apologies for repeating myself as I'm trying to reason through this and like to think out loud.

Are LE hoping someone in particular will show up ?
Or is it someone they're already looking at ; wanting to see their reaction ?
So there might be a point, to this company's decisions.

At this point --with what info. we have -- I think it was someone in a boiling rage.
Obviously not a random perp.,but a person known to them .
Did anyone benefit in the slightest from these deaths ?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Check this out: UPDATE: Quadruple Homicide Victims Identified, Still No Suspects in Custody

"Yesterday morning, a medical call was made. EMT and paramedics responded first, but given the nature of the scene, police quickly followed."

Essentially: EMTs were sent first from dispatch, walked into a massacre, called for cops.

I hope this doesn't go the way of the Delphi murders!!!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I hope this doesn't go the way of the Delphi murders!!!

It’s only been a few days!

 

[cattlekate]

But I understood it was the police who did respond and found the scene. So we don't really know what "medical call" means.

This is my understanding of the timeline.
7:31 am: Someone calls 911 saying there is a cardiac issue. Dispatch says CPR in progress. Metro Unit 6139 arrives minutes later. (I cannot find the source which states 7:31 was the initial call.)

7:41 am: Ambulance Metro Unit 6139 calls dispatch and states they have more injuries and one of a “trauma result.” They don’t know the status of the additional patients. Metro Unit says 10-4 (yes) to additional ambulance units. Metro Unit asks for “any ADDITIONAL officers.” Metro Unit says they are leaving the scene. Metro Unit cancels the additional ambulance.

Listen: Reaction from first responders as they respond to Mandan murder scene

My interpretation: An employee arrived around 7:30 am. Employee discovers fallen coworker and calls 911 at 7:31 and attempts CPR. Unit 6139 arrives minutes later. A police officer arrives. Unknown if a police car routinely arrives with an ambulance or if the ambulance called for police upon seeing the patient and their wounds.

Questions:

Were the wounds on the fallen coworker not as drastic as a slit throat but maybe just a gunshot, in order for that employee to attempt CPR?

Do posters think it was a scattered scene and discovered only after police walked around, or that it was clustered?

I’m starting to think it was clustered, and with gunshots.

 

[NickoD]

Shots fired at Mandan.

Shots fired in Mandan, but police say unrelated to homicides

 

[Mojo15]

How would have no one in Mandan heard gun shots?!

This is my understanding of the timeline.
7:31 am: Someone calls 911 saying there is a cardiac issue. Dispatch says CPR in progress. Metro Unit 6139 arrives minutes later. (I cannot find the source which states 7:31 was the initial call.)

7:41 am: Ambulance Metro Unit 6139 calls dispatch and states they have more injuries and one of a “trauma result.” They don’t know the status of the additional patients. Metro Unit says 10-4 (yes) to additional ambulance units. Metro Unit asks for “any ADDITIONAL officers.” Metro Unit says they are leaving the scene. Metro Unit cancels the additional ambulance.

Listen: Reaction from first responders as they respond to Mandan murder scene

My interpretation: An employee arrived around 7:30 am. Employee discovers fallen coworker and calls 911 at 7:31 and attempts CPR. Unit 6139 arrives minutes later. A police officer arrives. Unknown if a police car routinely arrives with an ambulance or if the ambulance called for police upon seeing the patient and their wounds.

Questions:

Were the wounds on the fallen coworker not as drastic as a slit throat but maybe just a gunshot, in order for that employee to attempt CPR?

Do posters think it was a scattered scene and discovered only after police walked around, or that it was clustered?

I’m starting to think it was clustered, and with gunshots.

 

[LietKynes]

Thanks for the timeline, cattlekate .

So, if someone was actively performing CPR (the person who called this in) I'm assuming it was an employee who arrived and not one of the victims ?
The AMU states that there are more injuries and one of a 'trauma result', which makes it sound like only one was targeted and the others were just there at the wrong time ?

 

[kaen]

7:31 am: Someone calls 911 saying there is a cardiac issue. Dispatch says CPR in progress. Metro Unit 6139 arrives minutes later. (I cannot find the source which states 7:31 was the initial call.)


I’m starting to think it was clustered, and with gunshots.

RSBM. This is a very confusing. If someone has a gunshot wound, a 911 caller would not say it is a cardiac event. It would be a gunshot or bleeding from wound call. It is odd to me.

If it was the perpetrator (maybe trying to protect other employees from finding the scene), I could see calling in a cardiac b/c it gives lots of time before police would arrive if the SOP is EMS calls don't automatically trigger police dispatch.

If it was an employee who arrived on scene and saw a person down, they would have had to know that some trauma occurred besides the cardiac event and trigger more response. Trying to think about ways of killing people that are not bloody--- electrocution, but would wires still be live or not there? or strangulation, but would you see marks on the neck? In either of these cases, seeing a person down and not surveying the body or scene, you might assume heart attack and attend to the victim rather than looking for others. In this case it would be weird to be calling for help within the building and no one (other employees) coming. The cars of the other employees were probably in the lot.

Just doesn't make sense. Wish they would catch the person so we could understand what happened to the four victims.