Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

[Trudie]

Yes, it appears he has never been sued by anyone. Also, his divorce was in 2000 so he has no minor children and he is not paying child support. The issue of being short of money because of child support keeps being mentioned here but that's not the case.

Always comes up.
I think he worked limited hours because he wanted more free time. For what, I’ve no idea.
He would make the standard rate of any chiro & should have made enough to support himself in the manner he chose, imo.
With back injury claims from work & job related accidents, even in a rural area, I think he had ample patients.
Wonder if any IRS debt, hence discount for cash?

 

[Trudie]

I think the victims were owner, maintenance supervisor, maintenance employee and accounts supervisor.

I too wondered if he had set up an early morning appointment, but that would have been on the books so he would have been identified as a suspect right away.

If anyone noted it, yes.

 

[zecats]

If anyone noted it, yes.

LE says they received a tip on him day one. Could be that, jmo

 

[zecats]

I think the victims were owner, maintenance supervisor, maintenance employee and accounts supervisor.

I too wondered if he had set up an early morning appointment, but that would have been on the books so he would have been identified as a suspect right away.

According to one MSM report (statement by LE) he was id'ed as suspect though a tip on first day. Probably why the statement from them that the public was not in any danger. JMO

 

[Trudie]

LE says they received a tip on him day one. Could be that, jmo

Yea, I was glad to see they were onto him from the start.
I know on this thread some though LE to be clueless.
Most Times, they’re not, imo. It seems they are if they don’t ask for info from the public. IMO, that’s when they have what they need.
Again, jmo

 

[Mercedes]

It occurs to me that if Chad Isaak was a trained “registered” nurse, he could have made good money nursing, if he was not earning a living wage as a chiro. Nurses are in demand everywhere, I think. Even if not in ND, somewhere else. Surely a better idea than killing people.

Also, what years was he in chiropractic school? Is that 2 or 4 years? And why didn’t he have a license to practice chiropractic? Surely he knew that he needed a license. And where (what city) did he practice?
Had he not finished c school and had to return to school for a while? What did he do during the year his office was closed?

When was he divorced, and why did he move to ND?

Is there a link to this stuff? Thank you.

Mercedes

 

[Mercedes]

I think the victims were owner, maintenance supervisor, maintenance employee and accounts supervisor.

I too wondered if he had set up an early morning appointment, but that would have been on the books so he would have been identified as a suspect right away.

Good idea, Otto!

 

[Rocco]

Always comes up.
I think he worked limited hours because he wanted more free time. For what, I’ve no idea.
He would make the standard rate of any chiro & should have made enough to support himself in the manner he chose, imo.
With back injury claims from work & job related accidents, even in a rural area, I think he had ample patients.
Wonder if any IRS debt, hence discount for cash?

He lived in a trailer with his dog and drove an older pick up. Not exactly a lavish lifestyle. What the heck did he do with his money? Gambling? Drugs? 'Escort services'? I'm sure it'll all come out.

 

[Mercedes]

There are a couple of comments from late last night about graduating in 2006, setting up a business, but closing the business in 2008 because he didn't have a license. He obtained a license in 2009 and it was renewable in September this year.

If he was practicing without a license, he probably did not have insurance. If he was sued during that time period, he would be paying that out of pocket.

Hey, Otto! We need a good attorney to find out if any lawsuits were filed against him during or after that time!
But not me, I haven’t gotten anything done all week!

 

[Rocco]

It occurs to me that if Chad Isaak was a trained “registered” nurse, he could have made good money nursing, if he was not earning a living wage as a chiro. Nurses are in demand everywhere, I think. Even if not in ND, somewhere else. Surely a better idea than killing people.

Also, what years was he in chiropractic school? Is that 2 or 4 years? And why didn’t he have a license to practice chiropractic? Surely he knew that he needed a license. And where (what city) did he practice?
Had he not finished c school and had to return to school for a while? What did he do during the year his office was closed?

When was he divorced, and why did he move to ND?

Is there a link to this stuff? Thank you.

Mercedes

He was from ND so that's why he moved there. He practiced in Hazen, ND originally. He was divorced in 2000.

 

[Rocco]

Hey, Otto! We need a good attorney to find out if any lawsuits were filed against him during or after that time!

No, there weren't.
http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/default.aspx

 

[Mercedes]

He lived in a trailer with his dog and drove an older pick up. Not exactly a lavish lifestyle. What the heck did he do with his money? Gambling? Drugs? 'Escort services'? I'm sure it'll all come out.

Perhaps back child support?

 

[Rocco]

Perhaps child support?

Once again---he was divorced in 2000. He has no minor children.

 

[mrstfs]

Dumb question, did CI own the trailer or did RJR own it? If the latter, maybe someone from RJR came to do maintenance and discovered something or CI irrationally thought they stole something from him... just speculating while we await more info.

 

[ilovechili]

Always comes up.
I think he worked limited hours because he wanted more free time. For what, I’ve no idea.
He would make the standard rate of any chiro & should have made enough to support himself in the manner he chose, imo.
With back injury claims from work & job related accidents, even in a rural area, I think he had ample patients.
Wonder if any IRS debt, hence discount for cash?

I am not one that has mentioned child support or pushed it but I would just point out, his being divorced in 2000 means nothing; we would have to know he never had a child with any other woman in another state for instance.

My dentist and chiropractor give discounts for cash payments. It saves them paying for a lot of office hours with billing insurance, coding, following up, etc. imo and payment is immediate or no discount is offered. However, if he had more than that reason for discounting for cash, the reasons I can think of for wanting cash are:

A legal judgment in some state whether for unpaid debt, something such as an injury suit, etc.
Bill collectors who can garnish;
Unpaid taxes;
Child support;
Lack of office support or lack of money to pay same to bill insurance, know the coding, etc.
An immediate need continually for a daily cash flow.

A bit of a humorous aside: I know people who have been servers at restaurants to put themselves through college. They get through college and get the job of their dreams and a great paycheck but miss those daily cash tips in their pocket lol. In all seriousness

I would add that if treatment is for an injury due to a work comp claim or an auto accident, sometimes months to years can go by while the claim/case is defended and no insurer will pay until they or their client is found responsible and that is, if they are found responsible. Small independent doctors of any kind can have a lot of nonpayment on the books which makes it difficult with a stream of income. When it does come it can be a windfall but I do not doubt often it is never paid either. This is jmo but I also know it from personal experience.

jmo and just speculation--a financial motive seems as likely as any.

 

[otto]

It occurs to me that if Chad Isaak was a trained “registered” nurse, he could have made good money nursing, if he was not earning a living wage as a chiro. Nurses are in demand everywhere, I think. Even if not in ND, somewhere else. Surely a better idea than killing people.

Also, what years was he in chiropractic school? Is that 2 or 4 years? And why didn’t he have a license to practice chiropractic? Surely he knew that he needed a license. And where (what city) did he practice?
Had he not finished c school and had to return to school for a while? What did he do during the year his office was closed?

When was he divorced, and why did he move to ND?

Is there a link to this stuff? Thank you.

Mercedes

He may have preferred chiropractic work because he could be his own boss. As a nurse, he would probably report to someone and someone else may control his work hours.

 

[NickoD]

"The owner of a mobile home park where a man arrested in the slayings four people in North Dakota lived says the suspect "never attracted any attention."
...
Rolf Eggers says he bought the mobile home park in Washburn last fall and Isaak "came with the park." Eggers says that he didn't know Isaak. He says neighbors never complained about him."

Emphasis mine.

Personal/IMO comment: Could be that he didn't like the new sheriff in town when RJR took over maintenance if he was used to being left alone.

Link to article: https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/c...ark-owner-Suspect-didn-t-attract-13744568.php

 

[Mercedes]

Shocking. CI was a medic in the military, got a nursing degree, and then graduated with honors from Palmer College. He moved back to ND and had a practice in Hazen, then Washburn.

His Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday office hours are 3 - 7:30 pm. That seems limited, but then again, how much chiropractic need is there in Washburn?

I wonder how much income he actually made. Did he not have April rent for his trailer and was upset? Was his office also an RJR-managed property? (The office property is not in CI’s name.)

Just unbelievable.

In the feature article, it was reported that Isaak sustained a neck injury (I think in high school).
I would think that chiro care could/would be hard on your body. All of that bending and stretching. Perhaps he could only work for a portion of the day because he had pain.
I know he returned to football, but old injuries sometimes resurface as one ages.

 

[Mercedes]

Chiropractic school takes four years.
I did not know that.

He may have had significant student loans.

 

[Seattle1]

Dumb question, did CI own the trailer or did RJR own it? If the latter, maybe someone from RJR came to do maintenance and discovered something or CI irrationally thought they stole something from him... just speculating while we await more info.

It's been reported that RJR owns the park where CI was living. It could be either he rented turn key, or just rented space for his own unit. Either way could be a threat of eviction. MOO