Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt1

[milopedes]

I agree with what you're saying..I think it's probably to add stress. But, at the same time- I've always thought that IF CC is guilty, he would try to flee. He just strikes me as that kind of person.

Thank you! I'm not saying that the added stress is a bad thing - guilty or not. Some of these posters get far too emotional. If he is a suspect, it is a tactic the police can effectively use to their advantage.

I just don't see him driving somewhere to mess with disposed evidence, or to meet a girlfriend, or to leave town. Just my opinion.

Personally, the types of people who commit these types of crimes have a massive ego and feel as though they won't get caught. If he committed this crime, you can bet he put a lot of thought into it.

 

[fran]

Regarding the 'neighbor' hearing an argument.............I know 3 a.m. has been bantered about as the time of the argument........but I saw an interview with a neighbor who said he heard an argument the 'night before.'

So, to ME, the only dispute is not IF there was an argument but WHEN there was an argument.

JMHO
fran

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I haven't read the entire thread, so I am sorry if some of this has already been discussed. Here are my thoughts . . .

My initial thought when I saw this on the news was the CC was guilty. Part of this is based upon all that I've read, the recent trends in our society, and the fact that certain aspects - namely, the threats - made it seem far too strange.

Then, I felt bad for rushing to judgement.

What about this case, and this case alone, seems suspicious?

Motive

He was linked to woman in Florida. Beyond that we can only speculate regarding marital problems. Many of her family members have claimed no knowledge of any, which seems odd to me. And any theories about a possible realtionship with the female minister, or other women, are simply that - theories for now!

Manner of Death

Strangulation, if indeed that is accurate information, makes this a very personal crime. And from a forensic standpoint it is a much "safer", if you will, means of committing the crime. Why? Well, if CC is guilty he does not need to worry about blood spatter evidence, gun powder residue, or disposing of a murder weapon.

Timeline

Here is where I think he may be in trouble, if he is guilty. He told police, per the various sources of print media, that he left the home at 5:30 a.m. to go to the gym. The police were called at 7:00 a.m. This is a small window for the crime to occur.

Forensics will be able to determine the time of death via body temperature, digestion of food in stomach, etc. Cameras at his home and in the subdivision may be able to see him leaving.

If he is guilty, I think his statement locking him into a 5:30 a.m. departure could be crucial.

For now, I'll ignore the rumor that a neighbor heard screams at 3:00 a.m. It is just a rumor, and does not warrant discussion.

Miscellaneous

If CC is guilty, did he have scratches?

Did a camera near his gym, or at his gym, capture him arriving there? Did anyone see him there?

Computer evidence?

What number did the call to 911 come from?

If the message was painted on the wall at the home, as reported, did they check CC for paint spatter? If spray paint is used, we all know how it fogs up and can get on other things.

If there is a history of threats, were they all simply notes left in the mailbox? If there were notes, do the police have them? If not, why not?

Problems the Police Must Overcome

1. The crime occurred in CC's home. Naturally, his prints and DNA will be everywhere.

2. So far, no reports of marital issues by friends / family.

3. History of threats. Like it or not, this could raise reasonable doubt.

4. No murder weapon. DNA evidence in this will be difficult.

I was pretty much the same way. Good point about the possibility of camera's at the gym.

I don't know for sure that police don't have a murder weapon. If he strangled the family with his hands they may be able to match bruising to CC's hand, don't know how conclusive that is though.

This whole thing is horrible, horrible, horrible.

 

[FOXTERRIER]

There are some new pictures posted on Sheri's guestbook (too the right) To me they show her inner and outer beauty. Those boys appeared to be so happy! Just unfathomable!
http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=6189174858580

 

[SuziQ]

Regarding the 'neighbor' hearing an argument.............I know 3 a.m. has been bantered about as the time of the argument........but I saw an interview with a neighbor who said he heard an argument the 'night before.'

So, to ME, the only dispute is not IF there was an argument but WHEN there was an argument.

JMHO
fran

That would fit if the rumored TOD of 11 hours before the bodies were found is true.

 

[milopedes]

All great questions and points, Milopede!

To answer your question about what number the 911 call came from..I believe Chris called 911 from his cell phone, as he was leaving the gym.

I COMPLETELY agree with what you're saying about if he left at 5:30 am and called police at 7am..that only would leave the perp (assuming it's not him) about an hour and a half to commit the crime. Also, around 6-6:30 or so, I would think some of their neighbors would be up and leaving for work, or at least awake. I wonder how come no one reported seeing a strange car at their house, no highschoolers going to school (i know most highschools start around 7:15ish..so I would think they would be up and on their way) saw/heard anything, etc. It just seems weird that, on a weekday, the neighborhood was completely dead in the mornings.

Thanks!

I think that could potentially be the single most damning piece of evidence in this case. If he did this, and he has any concept of forensics, he would have known that he couldn't commit the crime at midnight and then make the claim to have left at 5:30 a.m. Makes no sense when they determine the time of death to be earlier than when he left.

It is my understanding that rigor mortis begins within 2 to 6 hours after death. Plus, as I noted earlier there are other means (i.e., body temperature and digestive tract) of determining a time of death.

If he called police at 7:00 a.m., what was their response time? I read that he arrived shortly after they got to the house.

That small window, the determination of time of death, and any video evidence could be enough IMO to convict. I read he was a member of Gold's Gym. Do they have cameras? Were any banks or stores with cameras nearby? All key factors.

Plus, the cell phone "ping" may tell us something too.

 

[fran]

Thank you! I'm not saying that the added stress is a bad thing - guilty or not. Some of these posters get far too emotional. If he is a suspect, it is a tactic the police can effectively use to their advantage.

I just don't see him driving somewhere to mess with disposed evidence, or to meet a girlfriend, or to leave town. Just my opinion.

Personally, the types of people who commit these types of crimes have a massive ego and feel as though they won't get caught. If he committed this crime, you can bet he put a lot of thought into it.

Cesar Laurean was military, accused of raping and as a result of being the father of a fellow military person's unborn child. He was married and had a child. Up until the time of her disappearance, the accuser was being harrassed by the alleged perp and his fellow marines................Yet, when LE learned he'd buried and burned his accusers body and that of her unborn child, they learned the information from his wife as he'd runaway to Mexico.

These types are all talk and behind closed doors macho-men, but you lay it all out for them to face the music of their deeds, they're {whimps} and {cowards}.

Just sayin'
fran

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello Milopedes,

Thanks for your thoughtful list - you've tied a number of the discussions/thoughts in the thread into a tidy message.

The autopsy report and time of death will be key. If there is any possibility that science is weak on body temperatures pointing at anything near 5:30AM (or 5:43AM, as mentioned on Nancy Grace last night "I think") as the earliest time for the murders -- then, certainly, LE is just trying to button up against any arguments that could later be made to bring doubt against Chris having done it.

I'm thinking that there is much buttoned up in the investigation already, but just maybe there are a few little loops that a defense attorney could stick his finger in and wiggle loose -- and perhaps that is why the LE presence surrounding Chris. Perhaps they are just hoping to not have to deal with those loops at all -- get a confession.

W

 

[OkGrace]

I wonder if the new touch DNA is going to be a factor?

I am not sure what touch DNA is however If COD is strangulation imo (unless there was drugging or some other reason to be out cold) I think they most likely fought back to some degree and DNA (skin) wll be found under thier fingernails.

I think there is evidence and the perp will be caught by it, he/she is not nearly as smart as the LE they have working the case.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Hiya Again,

What I mean to say is... It grieves me to see bodies not honorably buried, similarly it grieves me to see them exhumed -- it seems such a sadness. I have been thinking that there is no way that I would want my beloveds buried anywhere near where the murderer grew up and took their lives -- I would fight to have those bodies where I could bury them with love, dignity and honor.

So...we are not sure who the murderer is, but we have a guess -- and maybe there are some in LE and in the courts who are reasonably sure -- so just maybe they were able to put a hold on that burial. Why else would they not bury them yesterday as it was said they would be? Was it raining? Would rain stop a burial? Was another plan made? OR...has the Chicago family gotten some type of secret something to hold the burial up until THEY could bury them with love and dignity?

W

I forgot that they hadn't been buried yet. Thanks for pointing that out, it makes me feel a little bit better.

 

[milopedes]

Hello Milopedes,

Thanks for your thoughtful list - you've tied a number of the discussions/thoughts in the thread into a tidy message.

The autopsy report and time of death will be key. If there is any possibility that science is weak on body temperatures pointing at anything near 5:30AM (or 5:43AM, as mentioned on Nancy Grace last night "I think") as the earliest time for the murders -- then, certainly, LE is just trying to button up against any arguments that could later be made to bring doubt against Chris having done it.

I'm thinking that there is much buttoned up in the investigation already, but just maybe there are a few little loops that a defense attorney could stick his finger in and wiggle loose -- and perhaps that is why the LE presence surrounding Chris. Perhaps they are just hoping to not have to deal with those loops at all -- get a confession.

W

Cowards to be sure! People do the unfathomable, attempting to get away with their actions or justify them in some way; in my book that simply makes them monsters. Vile and evil people. Plain and simple.

 

[milopedes]

Hello Milopedes,

Thanks for your thoughtful list - you've tied a number of the discussions/thoughts in the thread into a tidy message.

The autopsy report and time of death will be key. If there is any possibility that science is weak on body temperatures pointing at anything near 5:30AM (or 5:43AM, as mentioned on Nancy Grace last night "I think") as the earliest time for the murders -- then, certainly, LE is just trying to button up against any arguments that could later be made to bring doubt against Chris having done it.

I'm thinking that there is much buttoned up in the investigation already, but just maybe there are a few little loops that a defense attorney could stick his finger in and wiggle loose -- and perhaps that is why the LE presence surrounding Chris. Perhaps they are just hoping to not have to deal with those loops at all -- get a confession.

W

I agree with what you're saying here. I've read a lot from people frustrated that the police have not named a suspect, or made an arrest, but I for one would prefer they take their time and make sure everything is airtight. We've seen far too many guilty people found innocent because the police made errors in an effort to bring resolution to a case quickly. I'm not knocking the police here, I'm actually saying the reverse - they are smart for biding their time.

 

[SuziQ]

They've been buried. MCS followed Chris.
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/767039.html

 

[Juliana]

Fox News channel will have a report on this after the break.

 

[milopedes]

I am not sure what touch DNA is however If COD is strangulation imo (unless there was drugging or some other reason to be out cold) I think they most likely fought back to some degree and DNA (skin) wll be found under thier fingernails.

I think there is evidence and the perp will be caught by it, he/she is not nearly as smart as the LE they have working the case.

I would agree, unless he rolled each victim over before strangulation. Someone on their stomach, pinned down by a large person, might not really have a chance to effectively fight back.

In that regard I'm torn. One part of me hopes they did fight back, as it might provide evidence that could be used in a conviction. The catch to that is the horrific thought of what each victim endured. I actually prefer to think that woman and her children endured as little trauma or suffering as possible during the actual event.

If CC is guilty, the thought of what he boys were thinking as their dad committed that crime almost makes me want to vomit and never come to a site like this again. Honestly, it is difficult to discuss.

 

[Lindadanette]

Anyone familiar with JMM know if this is true? IMO, all kinds of wrong and a very narcissistic enterprise. Below is just a snip of the comment:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/em...es.nsf&docid=848E00DB94E5E491862575B5001067C4

Sarg May 13, 2009 12:34AM CST

And her son pulls up in a Mercedes Kompressor, you walk in to the main admin lobby and there a chandelier hanging from the ceiling that is bigger than the ones they have hanging in the White House. Just a bunch of money spent on stuff they don't need that could have been spent spreading the word of the Lord. Or providing food for the hungry, shelter for the homeless, etc... No, Joyce just wants to flaunt it and waste it. And then she has to the gall to put in huge letters on the front of her bulding "LOOK AT WHAT THE LORD HAS BUILT". No, it should read "look at what the fools that sent me money bought!!".

Here's a pretty good rant site that has photos and the hierarchy:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/joyce_meyers-you_decide.htm

 

[kiki the parrot]

Where are best photos of CC and what footage, interviews etc have people found? TIA

arrot:

 

[amandab]

The (unverified) report of the bodies being found face-down makes me think that whomever did this, did not want to see the faces of those that were being killed...

 

[analytical]

UPDATE: FOX cable news to report on case .. supposedly after the current commercial break

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They've been buried. MCS followed Chris.
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/767039.html

Have we heard if the police returned to the house after the internment at the graveside?

imo