Sheriff refocuses Kyron investigation: a smaller task force will take over...

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[Dee10]

From People Magazine:

Police Narrow Investigation in Case of Missing Kyron Horman

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20426440,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just watched the entire PC.

Imo, they are no further along in solving this case than they were. The task force was a "have to" because Kyron's investigation has greatly impeded their office and has put a strain on their department to do other duties that need to be performed for the community as a whole, imo.

He said one of the reasons Kyron's case is important is the public's safety.

We have no idea who all they have investigated nor do we know who all has been served with a search warrant. It could be any adults that were at the school that day. Imo, they have now checked into the background of the adults there and have uncovered some disturbing things.

Those things now need the police's attention and may result in other agencies being notified. I.E. other DAs in other counties or states or may warrant a federal charge, imo.

Imo, it is nothing they found on Terri's computer or any connection to her but other evidence they have uncovered about others they interviewed or the tips they received about someone else while working Kyron's investigation.

IMO

 

[loves2bmom]

When Staton was describing the narrowing down of areas and explaining that some doors are now shut, he said this:

"A lot of the things we looked at or suspected we no longer look at, we no longer suspect them," Staton said, referring to more than 3,000 tips taken in the case. "A number of the leads have been significant."


http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

Other than TH, the only one I know of they suspected would be DS, does that mean she's out of the picture now?

I guess we can only guess what he means by that but in my mind, he was referring to ruling out wandering off, accident, stranger abduction, transients in the woods, their list of sexual predators...whatever else came up as a possibility. They are zeroing in and they know who their target is. Gathering up evidence for conviction is another whole ball of wax and is obviously going to be harder to prove without finding little Kyron. Even with finding Kyron, I still think we are talking circumstancial case unless he is alive and telling exactly what happened to him that day (or prior). I also took note of his earlier comment during the Business meeting that the case is not "crystal clear". I think they have alot of pieces and the puzzle fits together to create a fairly good picture but one or two things are missing and circumstancial cases are harder to prove. I would imagine some jurors wouldn't connect the dots unless the dots are drawn in for them. I AM NOT referencing anyone in this forum at all.

Statistically I'm not sure what the success rate is for conviction on these kinds of cases. In fact, I was trying to dig up numbers and wanted to start a thread on circumstancial cases but couldn't find what I was looking for.

 

[Aedrys]

Hey guys. At one part he seems upset for setting aside 15 minutes for a phone call which he says "you're telling me you want me to search a certain part of the woods" or something to that effect and he sounds as though that is a waste of his time.

Isn't that how Caylee Anthony was found? A caller called and said you should check out this certain area? Then someone did go check it, but not thoroughly enough, and then later the tipster went and checked it himself and found her?

Kronk was far more specific than saying "go look in a certain wooded area". He actually called police and told them about the specific spot he thought he saw a skull in. A police officer came out, but refused to go look in that spot, saying he thought he saw a snake or something. It wasn't until it dried up more and Kronk went back and found the skull himself that Caylee was found. I think the officer that refused to help him was fired. It was a big mess for LE because his tip was ignored and not taken seriously. But, his tip was NOT just a vague tip the police couldn't possibly follow up on.

I kind of don't blame Staton for what he said because it'd be akin to telling LE in my home state of Louisiana to go look in a certain swamp, or telling LE in Oklahoma to go look in oil wells in a certain area. There's just too much of those in those states. It is far too vague in Oregon to say go look in a certain wooded area. That area is probably huge. I mean what in Oregon is NOT a wooded area, you know? I can see his frustration there, though he probably shouldn't have whined about it.

I do also think he should have waited a day before having this press conference. I think he was high on frustration for what he slipped up and said, and he shouldn't have addressed the public with so much frustration already in him. It's like my mom says, step away, wait until you can calm down some, and then go and talk to someone about something. I've had to do that here sometimes before posting or otherwise I might get banned.

Poor guy, this case is definitely taking a huge toll on him. I wish I could give him a hug or something.

 

[tlcya]

I just watched the entire PC.

Imo, they are no further along in solving this case than they were. The task force was a "have to" because Kyron's investigation has greatly impeded their office and has put a strain on their department to do other duties that need to be performed for the community as a whole, imo.

He said one of the reasons Kyron's case is important is the public's safety.

We have no idea who all they have investigated nor do we know who all has been served with a search warrant. It could be any adults that were at the school that day. Imo, they have now checked into the background of the adults there and have uncovered some disturbing things.
Those things now need the police's attention and may result in other agencies being notified. I.E. other DAs in other counties or states or may warrant a federal charge, imo.

Imo, it is nothing they found on Terri's computer or any connection to her but other evidence they have uncovered about others they interviewed or the tips they received about someone else while working Kyron's investigation.
IMO

ITA with every word above and as to the BBM portion I believe you have hit the proverbial nail upon the head.

 

[Aedrys]

I just watched the entire PC.

Imo, they are no further along in solving this case than they were. The task force was a "have to" because Kyron's investigation has greatly impeded their office and has put a strain on their department to do other duties that need to be performed for the community as a whole, imo.

He said one of the reasons Kyron's case is important is the public's safety.

We have no idea who all they have investigated nor do we know who all has been served with a search warrant. It could be any adults that were at the school that day. Imo, they have now checked into the background of the adults there and have uncovered some disturbing things.

Those things now need the police's attention and may result in other agencies being notified. I.E. other DAs in other counties or states or may warrant a federal charge, imo.

Imo, it is nothing they found on Terri's computer or any connection to her but other evidence they have uncovered about others they interviewed or the tips they received about someone else while working Kyron's investigation.

IMO

I partially agree, but I wonder why Terri would continue to be their focus if they haven't found anything to tie her to what happened to Kyron. I personally think it's partially what you said plus they've found out things about Terri and people around they'd rather not know. I mean, they have those sexts of her "various stages of undress" to begin with. I know that's more than I'd rather know about her for sure. And who knows what they uncovered about her looking even more into her background and the people she associates with. I think if they had found nothing to tie to her to what happened to Kyron, she'd be cleared, not still on lockdown in her house. And Houze would be all over the news about how she was treated even though proven innocent.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I partially agree, but I wonder why Terri would continue to be their focus if they haven't found anything to tie her to what happened to Kyron. I personally think it's partially what you said plus they've found out things about Terri and people around they'd rather not know. I mean, they have those sexts of her "various stages of undress" to begin with. I know that's more than I'd rather know about her for sure. And who knows what they uncovered about her looking even more into her background and the people she associates with. I think if they had found nothing to tie to her to what happened to Kyron, she'd be cleared, not still on lockdown in her house. And Houze would be all over the news about how she was treated even though proven innocent.

I don't think LE is going to publicly come out and specifically name anyone who has been cleared. It is not in their best interest to do so. Rarely does that happen in cases like this anyway.

I didn't hear him say that Terri was the main focus.

I really think if LE had found anything on Terri's computer that was illegal to be on there they would have arrested her for that three months ago.

The sexting was after Kaine had left her.

IMO

 

[wondering1]

The same thing happened to me yesterday, and it surprised the heck out of me being that it is the Portland Tribune.

yep...it got me, too :furious:

 

[Aedrys]

I don't think LE is going to publicly come out and specifically name anyone who has been cleared. It is not in their best interest to do so. Rarely does that happen in cases like this anyway.

I didn't hear him say that Terri was the main focus.

I really think if LE had found anything on Terri's computer that was illegal to be on there they would have arrested her for that three months ago.

The sexting was after Kaine had left her.

IMO

No, they aren't, but you'd think they'd be kind enough to tell her lawyer that she's not under suspicion anymore. I never said they were going to publically announce it. If she wasn't under their focus anymore, she wouldn't need to have Houze anymore either. IMO, she is still their main suspect even if they aren't telling US that. It doesn't matter what they tell us, it only matters what they're telling Terri and her lawyer. And Houze would be all over the news if they told him that they had finally ruled out Terri.

And there might not be anything illegal on her computer, but who knows what other friend's computers she might have used? Or even Kaine's computer since they are married? This woman is not stupid. She's just not going to have illegal stuff on her computer for LE to find. If that were the case, then yes, she'd have been arrested a long time ago.

 

[MarieFaith]

But maybe they wouldn't be so kind as to tell Terri's lawyer that she was no longer under suspicion.

Can you imagine what king of response from the public in Portland such a statement would generate? The anger, the fear, the outrage, everyone suspecting everyone else...

I do believe their focus is still Terri, but I don't necessarily believe they would say otherwise if they don't have to. Especially since they haven't even officially named her a POI.

 

[debs]

No, they aren't, but you'd think they'd be kind enough to tell her lawyer that she's not under suspicion anymore. I never said they were going to publically announce it. If she wasn't under their focus anymore, she wouldn't need to have Houze anymore either. IMO, she is still their main suspect even if they aren't telling US that. It doesn't matter what they tell us, it only matters what they're telling Terri and her lawyer. And Houze would be all over the news if they told him that they had finally ruled out Terri.

How do we know they haven't? Terri's appearance on TV spilling all her secrets isn't going to happen until a conclusion to this case is made. We'll just never know what LE has been talking with Houze et al about. We just don't know. And she would need Houze to the end of this case. It would be foolish to release him until then. Houze would not make such an announcement if it interferes with an ongoing case. Terri's in a hard spot, and that's just where she's going to be until this case is concluded by LE.

And there might not be anything illegal on her computer, but who knows what other friend's computers she might have used? Or even Kaine's computer since they are married? This woman is not stupid. She's just not going to have illegal stuff on her computer for LE to find. If that were the case, then yes, she'd have been arrested a long time ago.

With everything people assume Terri has done illegally, with all the electronic equipment she's had access to, if she hasn't been arrested, I do not find that this is likely. Those crimes are separate from any other crimes and would receive a separate charge. Like Casey A with her "borrowing" her friend's money....they'll slap her in jail and hold her to prove other charges if that's the case.

 

[Aedrys]

But maybe they wouldn't be so kind as to tell Terri's lawyer that she was no longer under suspicion.

Can you imagine what king of response from the public in Portland such a statement would generate? The anger, the fear, the outrage, everyone suspecting everyone else...

Well, I don't see KH and DY walking around with lawyers. They've got to know that the police have either ruled them or at least are not looking into them. If that weren't the case, then everyone associated with this case would have criminal lawyers at their side. But they don't. Only the people still under suspicion have lawyers (and I'm not talking divorce lawyers either).

It doesn't seem right to me that they'd let the cloud of suspicion still reign over Terri if they found nothing whatsoever to tie her to what happened to Kyron. There must be enough there to still cast her as suspicous to them. If not, that would be a gross miscarriage of justice we'd be hearing about endlessly.

I don't know what they'd say to Houze or not, but I can't imagine if this woman has been found to be truly innocent of this that they would not say a word, lie to her lawyer, and keep her under false suspicion. That does nothing to help this case or bring Kyron home.

 

[Aedrys]

How do we know they haven't? Terri's appearance on TV spilling all her secrets isn't going to happen until a conclusion to this case is made. We'll just never know what LE has been talking with Houze et al about. We just don't know. And she would need Houze to the end of this case. It would be foolish to release him until then. Houze would not make such an announcement if it interferes with an ongoing case. Terri's in a hard spot, and that's just where she's going to be until this case is concluded by LE.



With everything people assume Terri has done illegally, with all the electronic equipment she's had access to, if she hasn't been arrested, I do not find that this is likely. Those crimes are separate from any other crimes and would receive a separate charge. Like Casey A with her "borrowing" her friend's money....they'll slap her in jail and hold her to prove other charges if that's the case.

So focusing the case in a different direction away from Terri would be interfering with the case? It's better to have her under false suspicion than rule her out and move on to someone else? So don't tell her lawyer she's been ruled out, just keep letting him and her think she's still suspicious? They've already admitted that they've ruled out things already. If Terri were innocent, that would include her, but it doesn't appear at all that that is the case to me.

And as for the second part, maybe that the's other cases they're talking about pursuing. We just don't know what they've found, and what they've decided to do with what they've found yet. I'm not ruling out them finding illegal things that can be tied to Terri. Heck, it took almost a year or more to get Casey Anthony convicted on obvious check charges. Justice is a slow moving system. Nothing happens fast. Who knows, maybe she's going to herself involved in a federal case at some point. They are obviously not in a rush here, except to find Kyron. I'd rather they have everything done thoroughly and efficiently than fast and with a lot of mistakes.

 

[debs]

So focusing the case in a different direction away from Terri would be interfering with the case? It's better to have her under false suspicion than rule her out and move on to someone else? So don't tell her lawyer she's been ruled out, just keep letting him and her think she's still suspicious? They've already admitted that they've ruled out things already. If Terri were innocent, that would include her, but it doesn't appear at all that that is the case to me.

And as for the second part, maybe that the's other cases they're talking about pursuing. We just don't know what they've found, and what they've decided to do with what they've found yet. I'm not ruling out them finding illegal things that can be tied to Terri. Heck, it took almost a year or more to get Casey Anthony convicted on obvious check charges. Justice is a slow moving system. Nothing happens fast. Who knows, maybe she's going to herself involved in a federal case at some point. They are obviously not in a rush here, except to find Kyron. I'd rather they have everything done thoroughly and efficiently than fast and with a lot of mistakes.

We do not know where they are focusing. We know they're "narrowing" and we know they're "targeting" and we know that "what we first suspected isn't what we suspect now (paraphrased)." And we surely don't know what they may have said to Houze about his client. We. Just. Don't. Know. All we know is where Kaine and Desiree are focusing.

As to the second part, maybe all that will happen. We just don't know today.

 

[Dee10]

I am sure Kaine and Desiree has received good information direct from LE that caused them to focus on TH. DeDe's lawyer thought TH would be arrested, he sure has more information than us. There is a GJ that is focusing on TH. I think there are plenty of valid reasons to speculate that TH is possibly or probably involved.

Nobody ever really knows, until all the evidence is presented in court or these is a confession.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No, they aren't, but you'd think they'd be kind enough to tell her lawyer that she's not under suspicion anymore. I never said they were going to publicly announce it. If she wasn't under their focus anymore, she wouldn't need to have Houze anymore either. IMO, she is still their main suspect even if they aren't telling US that. It doesn't matter what they tell us, it only matters what they're telling Terri and her lawyer. And Houze would be all over the news if they told him that they had finally ruled out Terri.

And there might not be anything illegal on her computer, but who knows what other friend's computers she might have used? Or even Kaine's computer since they are married? This woman is not stupid. She's just not going to have illegal stuff on her computer for LE to find. If that were the case, then yes, she'd have been arrested a long time ago.

That is not the way it works though Aedrys. It is not LEs job to support anyone other than the victim (Kyron).

Weeks went by and LE knew that the internet and media were chewing up Mark Lunsford and his family and Steve Greone when his children went missing yet the police never said a word to ease the rampant suspicions and horrible accusations that turned out to be flat out false.

LE has said they have not had any contact with Terri since she obtained her lawyer so ,therefore imo, they are not talking to her attorney and frankly he would be remiss to believe anything LE has to say at this point.

I think it is just as likely that they have done background checks on others who were at the school that have been interviewed and have gotten search warrants and discovered some disturbing information about some of them.

Also I believe a lot of the tips received were not about Terri, but something known by someone else, who knows something about others, who may have had access to the school that day.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am sure Kaine and Desiree has received good information direct from LE that caused them to focus on TH. DeDe's lawyer thought TH would be arrested, he sure has more information than us. There is a GJ that is focusing on TH. I think there are plenty of valid reasons to speculate that TH is possibly or probably involved.

Nobody ever really knows, until all the evidence is presented in court or these is a confession.

Actually until there is an arrest no defense lawyer knows anymore than the rest of us. He sure didn't get that Terri was guilty from his client, DeDe. She does not believe Terri is involved.

IMO

 

[BeanE]

I think it is just as likely that they have done background checks on others who were at the school that have been interviewed and have gotten search warrants and discovered some disturbing information about some of them.

That's exactly what I think. That in the course of the investigation, they came across suspicious or distasteful activities among people not directly related to Kyron's case.

 

[cluciano63]

I really think if anything involving child had been found, LE would not wait to make an arrest, that is a crime that can have too many consequences. I think at this point, LE has no evidence to charge Terri with anything-they can't charge her for lack of decorum and sending racy photos is not a crime, as far as I know, as long as only adults are involved. They also would not be telling her lawyer anything at this point, as far as I know, and would not be bothered if she is suspected. That is her problem, not LE's-they have never named her a suspect.