Sheriff refocuses Kyron investigation: a smaller task force will take over...

[ami]

That is not the way it works though Aedrys. It is not LEs job to support anyone other than the victim (Kyron).

Weeks went by and LE knew that the internet and media were chewing up Mark Lunsford and his family and Steve Greone when his children went missing yet the police never said a word to ease the rampant suspicions and horrible accusations that turned out to be flat out false.

LE has said they have not had any contact with Terri since she obtained her lawyer so ,therefore imo, they are not talking to her attorney and frankly he would be remiss to believe anything LE has to say at this point.

I think it is just as likely that they have done background checks on others who were at the school that have been interviewed and have gotten search warrants and discovered some disturbing information about some of them.

Also I believe a lot of the tips received were not about Terri, but something known by someone else, who knows something about others, who may have had access to the school that day.

IMO

BBM.

I agree with that! Not to get off topic, but every time there's a new case in the news without an immediately indictable suspect, the police investigation always seems to turn up just the most revolting underbelly of friends of the family, neighbors, people the child interacted with... enough to make you think: does this go on everywhere? Do 3 out of every 10 people **I** know have child on their computers or a sexual assault record or some other hideous skeleton in their closet? Think of the JonBenet case, and all the creepy things they discovered about the secret twisted lives of so many people the poor child came in contact with.

So it wouldn't surprise me if in this case LE has uncovered disturbing information about a teacher, a parent of one of Kyron's friends, affairs happening, someone with child on their hard drive, other scary things that might not be directly related to Kyron's disappearance, but are completely disturbing and frightening all the same.

 

[Dee10]

Actually until there is an arrest no defense lawyer knows anymore than the rest of us. He sure didn't get that Terri was guilty from his client, DeDe. She does not believe Terri is involved.

IMO

Surely DeDe told him the questions etc. LE put to her though KWIM?

 

[Amster]

If LE has given Terri or her lawyer reason to believe that she is no longer a suspect...or target....why isn't she out there begging for Kyron's return? Why is she not fighting to be with her daughter? Is it because of the MFH plot? She's still in legal jeopardy over that?

 

[cluciano63]

I think that LE has managed to get through most of the "tips" and eliminated them-that would be considered movement in the case. And now are hoping to get only viable tips, not dreams, visions, imaginations, opinions, or week-old "sightings". And getting through those tips would allow them to move forward with far less staff.

There is only so much they can do now, if they believe Terri is their suspect, and have done all they can without uncovering proof. They have to wait, and continue to comb through whatever records (phones, etc.) that are not complete. Conduct second or third interviews with some people, and hope for more solid leads...and hope that Kyron is somehow found. We've seen this stage in so many cases, when we are all frustrated that so-and-so is still running around free, but what is LE to do, without proof or at least convincing evidence?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Surely DeDe told him the questions etc. LE put to her though KWIM?

Yes, I am sure she did.

My impression is DeDe flat out told her lawyer that she had nothing to do with this and she doesnt think Terri did either but I am sure she told him that she thought LE was trying to pin it on Terri anyway.

 

[scandi]

That's exactly what I think. That in the course of the investigation, they came across suspicious or distasteful activities among people not directly related to Kyron's case.

Hi BeanE, Here is what the Sheriff said that was just reported in video on HLN:

''We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case. Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about ~ that we wish we didn't'.

The Sheriff repeated that last thought, that 'we wish we didn't' twice to make the point clear. Reading his words, which I wrote down as carefully as I could to be accurate, I think what they have learned is so surprising and awful it has caused LE great stress and does in fact relate directly to Kyron's case and what happened to him. IMO

PS: Shades of what Ann Rule said, that when we learn what really happened in Kyron's case it will be explosive



xox

 

[scandi]

I really think if anything involving child had been found, LE would not wait to make an arrest, that is a crime that can have too many consequences. I think at this point, LE has no evidence to charge Terri with anything-they can't charge her for lack of decorum and sending racy photos is not a crime, as far as I know, as long as only adults are involved. They also would not be telling her lawyer anything at this point, as far as I know, and would not be bothered if she is suspected. That is her problem, not LE's-they have never named her a suspect.

Hi, I don't necessarily think so Cluciano. If she is not a danger to anyone wlse, the crime being familial as LE led us to believe right away, time is on LE's side and they will wait till everything has come together before they arrest her.


Just as a note of local interest, I had my hair done on Monday at a little shop right past the Albertson's store on Beav. Hillsdale Hwy. It turned out the owner who did my hair has been very 'up' on Kyron's case and out of the blue she started talking about it.

She told me she had seen a series of photos of Terri that were definitely very blue or off color as one would say. They were shocking and it took her aback to see them. I missed them somehow.

We talked about the fact she has not been arrested yet, and this shop owner made a most interesting comment I'm still chewing on. That the deed was so well planned and carried out, and that Terri was so careful in covering her tracks and laisons, it is taking LE time to unravel what happened. Then she said take a look. She has been able to live for 3 months without being arrested, supposedly witnessed as the last one to be with Kyron that day. She's just darn good and either terribly clever or sociopathic.

I repeat this only for interest as it is her studied opinion.

xox

 

[BeanE]

Hi BeanE, Here is what the Sheriff said that was just reported in video on HLN:

''We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case. Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about ~ that we wish we didn't'.

The Sheriff repeated that last thought, that 'we wish we didn't' twice to make the point clear. Reading his words, which I wrote down as carefully as I could to be accurate, I think what they have learned is so surprising and awful it has caused LE great stress and does in fact relate directly to Kyron's case and what happened to him. IMO

PS: Shades of what Ann Rule said, that when we learn what really happened in Kyron's case it will be explosive



xox

Yes, thank you, scandi. I know what he said. I watched it several times, because I transcribed it and posted it earlier today.

We'll have to agree to disagree on what he means, but that's okay - we can still be friends.

 

[scandi]

I'm hoping that the money they raised will help in an effort to bring down the "underground".. The prominent people, who hide behind their high society positions, and their sick minds... I don't have much money... but I'm sure I can come up with at least $50 for that..

How many times are we going to have to read about high positioned people into child or worse before we bring them down...!! Today would be good..:angel:

Sorry for all the sudden posts here :innocent:, but Froggin, I think you might be right.

Think of Newberry Rd. The bizarre video mentioning crimes against children happening there. The big search LE did at the corner of Skyline Rd and Newberry Rd. And the LE's including Newberry Rd in a list for the public to reflect on as to what they might have seen happen there.

I think it's possible LE has learned something awful that Kyron was exposed to that was happening down on Newberry Rd.

I've driven down that road twice and it is spooky. The houses are not exposed as on a regular street, often hidden by huge trees. And as the relatively short road drops down from the crest of the hill at Skyline to the near sea level point of Hwy 30, it winds back and forth with almost hairpin type turns. The first time I drove it was before the weird video was released and I still got this definite feeling of gloom to where I actually thought something was not right about what goes on there.

Sorry if this is a bit O/T xox

 

[scandi]

Yes, thank you, scandi. I know what he said. I watched it several times, because I transcribed it and posted it earlier today.

We'll have to agree to disagree on what he means, but that's okay - we can still be friends.

Most definitely BeanE ;}


I am encouraged coming back to the case today, that LE is further along with it's investigation than we might have realized. Now it makes sense to me, that if LE has discovered other areas to investigate which relate to this case, it might be why it is taking such a looooong time to name the perps and make arrests. I give LE that grace even tho I am bewildered by the 3 months and we still have not been told what LE has learned. Like to drive one crazy, eh? :crazy:

 

[SmoothOperator]

[Orinally posted byscandi
We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case. Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to
know about ~ that we wish we didn't'.[/QUOTE]

Hi scandi. I agree with you that IMO I think that this above statement is directed at Kyrons case specifically with which LE have found what seems to be some extremely disturbing situations that LE has discovered. To me this statement is actually allot more clear than most released by LE.

The above is bolded by me. The opening sentence to this specific subject is one of the main reasons that leads me to believe this. He is talking about info in and/or around Kyrons case specifically. IMO. I don't believe he would even be discussing irrelevant factors having nothing to do with Kyron directly. It would be completely irrelevant.
And another thing in the above bolded statement that leads me to believe it is directly involved in the Kyron case is that in speaking go the media and public he states that when we learn of these things of which they are speaking about that it will make us go back and think. That to me says it is involving ppl we are already familiar with that would not be referring to someone we do not know as that would not make sense nor be of any consequence or provoking of thoughts for us therefor I do not think that statement would have been made directed to us and to the media. jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi scandi. I agree with you that IMO I think that this above statement is directed at Kyrons case specifically with which LE have found what seems to be some extremely disturbing situations that LE has discovered. To me this statement is actually allot more clear than most released by LE.

The above is bolded by me. The opening sentence to this specific subject is one of the main reasons that leads me to believe this. He is talking about info in and/or around Kyrons case specifically. IMO. I don't believe he would even be discussing irrelevant factors having nothing to do with Kyron directly. It would be completely irrelevant.
And another thing in the above bolded statement that leads me to believe it is directly involved in the Kyron case is that in speaking go the media and public he states that when we learn of these things of which they are speaking about that it will make us go back and think. That to me says it is involving ppl we are already familiar with that would not be referring to someone we do not know as that would not make sense nor be of any consequence or provoking of thoughts for us therefor I do not think that statement would have been made directed to us and to the media. jmo

I don't think it is uncommon for LE to be investigating one case and stumble upon other things unrelated to the particular case. Various tips lead LE in different directions and as they follow up on those leads more is learned and it doesn't have to do with Kyron's case but something else they found out about someone else along the way.

It is very logical that search warrants were obtained on others that may have been at the school or even the neighborhood around the school or if LE found out they had a past that they may have tried to keep secret from LE when being interviewed.

While some of the tips were frivolous .......all were not imo. and they weren't all about Kyron per se but was about what the tipster knew about someone else that made them think this person could be involved. Whether they are involved in Kyron's case or not is yet to be learned but LE may have uncovered other things that needs throughly investigating and possible notifications given to other agencies so they can go forward.

If it concerned Kyron and they are aware that it does then they would never scale back the investigators at this time. If they had real evidence showing this is linked to Kyron they would be pouring on the coal trying to get it solved right now.........not cutting back, imo.

IMO

 

[tlcya]

I wonder (devil's advocate over here) if the following statement:

''We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case. Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about ~ that we wish we didn't'."

might also be interpretted this way though. As to the BBM LE, I would think they WOULD want to know about criminal activity so that they could then pursue justice. When looked at through that prism - This statement reads more like LE has learned unsavory but not necessarily illegal things that they wish they hadn't been drug into. I just find it really hard to image a Law Enforcement Officer wishing he didn't know something that leads to the answer we all want -

Where is Kyron?

So when I look at the statement from this angle, I have to believe whatever he is referring to in that section of his statement is not related/useful to finding Kyron.

Also when thinking further into the underlined portion of his statement - Details that will surprise us. Well, let's see. We already know about the alleged MFH plot so that will not be a surprise. We already know about Terri's inappropriate phone friend MC so no surprises there.

Thoughts anyone?

 

[scandi]

[Orinally posted byscandi
We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case. Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to
know about ~ that we wish we didn't'.

Hi scandi. I agree with you that IMO I think that this above statement is directed at Kyrons case specifically with which LE have found what seems to be some extremely disturbing situations that LE has discovered. To me this statement is actually allot more clear than most released by LE.

The above is bolded by me. The opening sentence to this specific subject is one of the main reasons that leads me to believe this. He is talking about info in and/or around Kyrons case specifically. IMO. I don't believe he would even be discussing irrelevant factors having nothing to do with Kyron directly. It would be completely irrelevant.
And another thing in the above bolded statement that leads me to believe it is directly involved in the Kyron case is that in speaking go the media and public he states that when we learn of these things of which they are speaking about that it will make us go back and think. That to me says it is involving ppl we are already familiar with that would not be referring to someone we do not know as that would not make sense nor be of any consequence or provoking of thoughts for us therefor I do not think that statement would have been made directed to us and to the media. jmo

Hi SmoothOperator, I'm glad I read your thoughts on that statement, that it involves people we are already familiar with. I immediately thought he meant the "shocking details" as stated by the Sheriff related to things Kyron was exposed to that no adult in their right mind would ever want to have happen to him. I could be wrong on that, and it could be say TH's friends were of an uncomely ILK, possibly giving help to her with carrying out her diabolical plan for Kyron. And uncovering this new info shows possible criminal activity {since he said no comment on that question} of another type besides the kidnapping and possible murder and disposal of Kyron {if that is what has happened to him}.

I guess I'm saying the perp could have been involved with or known and used people who are criminals. What I'm hoping is their crimes are not a part of what happened to Kyron. Wish he had made it more clear, eh? ;}

 

[1Chump]

With all the different agencies involved initially in this case, that doesn't surprise me that they have 'other cases' they're working on, as well.

I've never worked out why the Secret Service would have been involved. Aren't they matters of national security?

I posted a while back info I found on the Secret Service but I cannot find it right now. But they said that Sercret Service is involved as part of a federal initial response team when there is a chance of taking a child out of the country such as a parent who is a citizen of another country or states closer to international boarders such as Canada.

 

[1Chump]

That's exactly what I think. That in the course of the investigation, they came across suspicious or distasteful activities among people not directly related to Kyron's case.

I agree with you. I also think the reason they wish they did not know is not related to the crime but the people. My first thought was the people who did not want to give permission to search. Many did give permission because LE said that they did not care about the pot. I would bet many of those people did not realize that LE's words were worthless. If LE saw evidence of a crime, they cannot ignore it. All the words meant were LE won't arrest you right now because they need to investigate the crimes they saw.

I'm sure many of the investigators do feel bad that people who were just trying to help are now going to potentially face charges, maybe even Federal, while those who refused to give up their rights and refused to potentially help find a missing child are not.

 

[Aedrys]

I'm wondering if the surprising things also includes things that happened before June 4th? Maybe they discovered something on June 3rd or June 2nd? Most of what we know is only on June 4th (concerning Kyron, I mean). I wonder if they uncovered certain purchases beforehand or something else on previous days that might be connected to Kyron's disappearance, and maybe it made them think it was more planned than we even think?

Without a body and not knowing exactly what happened, they still wouldn't be able to say for sure what happened, so they wouldn't know what to charge her with. But it would certainly be surprising if they did uncover some blatant pre-planning of Kyron's disappearance before June 4th that we don't know about yet.

 

[Herding Cats]

Snip...
He said one of the reasons Kyron's case is important is the public's safety.

Two things I'm thinking about.

One. If there is a public safety issue, it's not TH. That's not a public safety issue if she disappeared/murdered Kyron. That's a danger to Kyron, but not to some random child or adult.

That statement tells me that they are no longer looking at TH like they were. They won't clear her, because it benefits LE for people to be thinking it's TH, and maybe they'll make a mistake and get caught. So they're not going to clear TH...

Second. The whole "surprise" thing? I think they're referring to it not being TH. What would be the MOST surprising thing? That the person everyone thinks it is (well, not everyone) is actually not the bad guy, but someone else is...and maybe it's a public risk kinda bad guy.

Just some thoughts this afternoon...'twill be interesting to look back at this and see what comes about.

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[Morag]

snip...TH's friends were of an uncomely ILK, snip

Mad props for uncomely ILK!

 

[Dee10]

I wonder if Kaine and Desiree has had their meeting with LE yet? I am sure the media is hounding them to make a statement, I wonder if they will?