Sheriff refocuses Kyron investigation: a smaller task force will take over...

[scandi]

Good points.

I may be misremembering, but didn't Staton make a reference to having made this decision last week? I guess I need to go back over the transcript and videos.

Hi Kat, As I heard it when the MCSO declined money a few months ago for work on this case, it was said they would have until October to refigure the budget. With October only a few weeks away it looks like the timing was right to now create a task force. IMO


PS: Are you our wonderful Kat who moved to Texas ???

 

[scandi]

I haven't seen this posted...former Multnomah Sheriff, Bernie Giusto, talks about the case:

Bernie Giusto said Friday the new task force speaks volumes about the case.
“Well, I think more than anything it means there’s no place to go right away," he said.
<snip>
Giusto said he does not know details about the criminal investigation into Kyron's disappearance, but he thinks mistakes have been made. He said too much emphasis has been placed on Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, and other potential suspects haven’t been considered.
<snip>
"I believe there are a couple other avenues you could take and that really is better communication with the public. There’s no reason now not to lay out specifics in this case. What can it harm?" he said.

http://www.kptv.com/news/25058719/detail.html

I think he probably downplays the search warrants in this case and he has had his own problems, resigning because of ethics issues, but I think his opinions are interesting.

He does not know . . . . he thinks :banghead: To make a statement like that he should have it down pat.

 

[Jules71]

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We have read that child trafficking is high in Portland. It would be easiest to carry it off in a more rural area shaded and shielded by tall leafy trees so I could see Newberry Rd as the perfect location for an operation like this.

How could it go on for years without LE knowing about it? I do not believe LE would turn a blind eye to it. That is where the rub is and I come back to a bit of reality.

It still is a spooky drive even on a bright sunny day :innocent:

bbm.
Hi dear Scandi,

Maybe this is where the following comes into play - maybe some of LE did know about it:
"Staton said the investigation has so far produced a large stack of six-inch binders full of information on the case. He suggested that a number of other cases were likely to result from the investigation, but did not elaborate on them."

 

[scandi]

As a local, I can say that Guisto does not have much clout at all. He has a loooong history of questionable ethics dating back decades. He had to resign under a dark cloud and nobody cared when he left. JMO (and the opinion of a lot of other Portlanders.)

Hi Gwenabob, And I wonder if he realizes that all these agencies in the new task force have been involved in the investigation from the beginning :banghead:


lol

 

[scandi]

bbm.
Hi dear Scandi,

Maybe this is where the following comes into play - maybe some of LE did know about it:
"Staton said the investigation has so far produced a large stack of six-inch binders full of information on the case. He suggested that a number of other cases were likely to result from the investigation, but did not elaborate on them."

Hey Jules, Great to see you wherever you post. Ya Ya

Oh, it just boggles the mind to think some officers might have known about it and turned their eye :banghead: It could be, yes, as corruption in LE has been around forever, right?

To those to whom it would come as a surprise I could just imagine seeing the blood travel up to their head, turning a crimson red with embarrassment and disgust upon the learning of it. Imagine that moment. As the Sheriff, wouldn't Staton have to know about the human trafficking offenders in his jurisdiction? It is simply beyond the pale IMO

 

[pufnstuf]

As a local, I can say that Guisto does not have much clout at all. He has a loooong history of questionable ethics dating back decades. He had to resign under a dark cloud and nobody cared when he left. JMO (and the opinion of a lot of other Portlanders.)

Wow... he was entangled in scandal after scandal, wasn't he?

Here's a list of articles about him at O-live. http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/sheriff_bernie_giusto.html

 

[gliving]

Good points.

I may be misremembering, but didn't Staton make a reference to having made this decision last week? I guess I need to go back over the transcript and videos.

Right. IIRC he said it was at a briefing last Friday. The same day Kaine dropped his contempt of court motion.

 

[stmarysmead]

IMO (as far as speculation in terms of what the parents may or may not know), the bottom line is: Regardless of whether or not one of the victim's step-parents is coincidentally LE in another jurisdiction (who is also uninvolved in the legal/official investigation of this case), I don't believe that the MCSO has divulged any pertinent info/evidence to any of the parents (bio, step, or otherwise).

IMO, the interaction between LE & all the parents (bio, step, or otherwise)) during the course of this investigation has been restricted to soliciting information and not necessarily revealing information.

I have never believed that the bio parents (or the LE step parent) have been given pertinent or crucial info by LE regarding this case. I believe they've been asked thousands of questions, and may have been asked their opinions about certain things, but I don't believe they've been made privy to any *inside info* that LE may or may not have.

I remember the official statements of LE when they said that the information in the statements of the parents did not come from the MCSO.

MOO

Well, I believe the parents have alluded to emails they have been shown that were "sickening." I don't believe those emails have been released to the general public. Certainly Kaine has been informed on the MFH plot...and we know little of what that information might be...but that it sent him running out of the house.

I believe it's presumptuous of us to think we the public have been briefed to the same degree as the parents.

And there is a bit of unofficial "professional courtesy" in every profession. If you have a good friend for a doctor, often you needn't wait till Monday to hear about your lab tests. Certainly, it is "off the record"...but I believe it is human nature.

I believe the parents know a great deal more than we do...and should.

Edited to add...that does not mean they know everything..but enough to substantiate their feelings about Terri.

 

[nosysw]

That's exactly how I feel stmarysmead...

 

[grandmaj]

WS relies on facts printed in MSM and does not bring rumors or unlinkable information from blogs or FB to our site. There is absolutely no proof to alternative lifestyle for Terri or anyone else in this case. This includes visionary type videos that are being discussed here.

DO not continue to bring this rumor and innuendo to WS. Speculation has to be based on something other than our wild imaginations or gossip on the internet. Last warning.

If you cannot link you do not discuss it here. So knock it off.

I'm reopening this thread. Do not bring anything except sourced information to any thread at WS. And stay on topic. New task force.

 

[grayjay]

The press and the public are usually surprised when they learn that a house has 96 cats, or somebody's cooking meth and the baby is exposed to the toxins.

I take this to mean that someone has been doing something to Kyron that is not ok, not normal, and probably not just on June 4th, that he has not been able to tell about but has hurt him. Something sickening.

I can think of some things like this that I've learned in the past, that most people wouldn't believe anyone would do. Things that would cause great stress on the own humanity, just knowing they're going on in this family in this country.

My dad never knew the horrible things my mom was doing to me, for the same reasons Kaine wouldn't have to know. I think he could be referring to those types of things.

 

[nosysw]

{{{{{{ }}}}}} grayjay

 

[Jade2010]

I think it means you'd be shocked in how many criminals we've uncovered in this investigation not even having to do with the KH case.

 

[scandi]

This is a bit OT, don't know where to post it and don't think it is worthy of a thread:

Yesterday Desiree and Kaine met with the Sheriff after their return from Chicago. Has there been any news about that here?

On the news last night it was mostly about Guise and his interview. Ta

 

[scandi]

I think it means you'd be shocked in how many criminals we've uncovered in this investigation not even having to do with the KH case.

Hi Jade, Since the presser was really about the changing direction of the investigation to a task force, it could be the Sheriff mis-spoke from the emotion that seemed to overtake him.

However, When he did talk about their new discovery, the first words out of his mouth were "''We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case", going on to say "Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about ~ that we wish we didn't".


Therefore I think what they discovered related to Kyron's case. IMO

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

Hi Jade, Since the presser was really about the changing direction of the investigation to a task force, it could be the Sheriff mis-spoke from the emotion that seemed to overtake him.

However, When he did talk about their new discovery, the first words out of his mouth were "''We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case", going on to say "Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about ~ that we wish we didn't".


Therefore I think what they discovered related to Kyron's case. IMO

I agree Scandi! What is disturbing is how there seems to be something mysterious & for want of a better word "unsavory" about what they had encountered or discovered. It makes one feel uncomfortable:waitasec: & expecting the worst! Maybe that's just me. God bless that sweet little boy,Kyron!

 

[gitana1]

Hi Sorrell, I think we have seen many cases where LE has not been forthcoming even to the parents. Like the Elizabeth Smart case. They were told almost nothing.

I guess I'm conservative, but don't think LE has any obligation to share info about the case with anyone except the prosecutor. In Kyron's case there might have been more info given to K and D because Tony is in LE. IMO

You're right. There's many cases where LE fails to update or share info with the victims' families. Joe Neff's case comes to mind.
I don't get that feeling in this case. DY and Kaine have stated they are very pleased with the investigation and have revealed things, either in interviews or court filings, that they indicate come from LE. Plus, the family seems to have meetings scheduled with LE quite often.
DY is especially pretty vocal. I would bet that if they refused to give the parents any info she would be raising Cain. I think whether info is given to a family depends on the personalities involved, whether the family is seen as critical of LE or not, whether the investigators have egos or think the family is too stupid to deal well with info, whether LE is hiding something due to ineptness or corruption or whether LE feels the family may need to be investigated themselves. In general, though, I think good, solid investigators share as much as they can with innocent family members of victims, as much as they can without compromising the investigation.

 

[craftybatchy]

Did anyone else catch the reference Stanton made to *homicides* when talking about reassigning investigative roles ?

"I've got cases that my detectives are supposed to be working on," Staton said. "They might not be homicides, but when you start talking about domestic violence, assault, that's stacking up."

(cannot link the quote but if anyone wants to copy & paste the quote into g****e, msm sources will be provided).


Does this imply that homicides were discovered during the course of the Kyron Horman investigation ? Is this one of the things they wish they did not know ? Or are they wishing they had known earlier rather than later?

I am reading between the lines here, I know , but .......

 

[gitana1]

Did anyone else catch the reference Stanton made to *homicides* when talking about reassigning investigative roles ?



(cannot link the quote but if anyone wants to copy & paste the quote into g****e, msm sources will be provided).


Does this imply that homicides were discovered during the course of the Kyron Horman investigation ? Is this one of the things they wish they did not know ? Or are they wishing they had known earlier rather than later?

I am reading between the lines here, I know , but .......

I read that as simply there are many other unrelated cases, not necessarily homicides, but important cases he needs his investigators on. That reference to homicides though, when talking about taking investigators off Kyron's case and putting them onto others, makes it seem he thinks Kyron's case is a homicide. Like he's saying there are other important cases that can't be neglected (even though they are not homicides, like this one). JMO, not sure and not a fact!

 

[Chili Fries]

Did anyone else catch the reference Stanton made to *homicides* when talking about reassigning investigative roles ?



(cannot link the quote but if anyone wants to copy & paste the quote into g****e, msm sources will be provided).


Does this imply that homicides were discovered during the course of the Kyron Horman investigation ? Is this one of the things they wish they did not know ? Or are they wishing they had known earlier rather than later?

I am reading between the lines here, I know , but .......

I take it as Staton categorizing Kyron's case as a homicide, saying that DV and assaults may not be like Kyron's case but they are still very important.