SIDEBAR #28- Arias/Alexander forum

[krkrjx]

From the second link:

"As
Blind Justice
discusses in detail, jurors are manipulated in capital cases in many ways:

Their deeply held personal views on capital punishment are picked apart and used as a
litmus test of their ability to serve as member of the jury. Those adhering to beliefs
preventing a death sentence will be rejected, even though those beliefs are well within the
mainstream of public opinion."

I'm anti-death penalty and can appreciate the position of Blind Justice, but this statement seems illogical. If you reside in a death penalty state, it seems to me that there's nothing illogical or unethical about choosing a jury in this fashion. To eliminate the problem, the state needs to get rid of the death penalty law.

BBM: I agree...if it is a DP state and a DP eligible case, it is ridiculous to think the state should be willing to accept anti-DP persons on the jury. I do not understand how any thinking person can refer to rejecting anyone who states they are anti-DP as juror manipulation.

What I do see as manipulation is potential jurors who state in no uncertain terms during jury selection that they are anti-DP being pressured into saying they could set aside their personal beliefs and administer the very penalty that they have taken a stance against. If you hammer at a person long enough they will eventually say what you want to hear even if they do not believe it. That is what I saw happen during jury selection in the Casey Anthony case and that case is, IMO, a perfect example of what can go horribly wrong when a judge spends too much time trying to convince citizens who state honestly that they are against the DP that they must forego their beliefs, simply because it is inconvenient to continue searching for qualified jurors, i.e., those who do not need to be swayed one way or the other.

(Sorry for the rant but I am still angry about that particular injustice.)

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I agree neesaki! They (Govt) should make marijuana legal, as it has potentially cures for cancer according to studies made! Just watched one - darn not recalling the name - but that is why BIG PHARMA are against it - they would lose all that BIG $$ for their cancer pills...



Oh, I'm glad to know this recipe!! There has been a skunk in our backyard now for a few nights, and now the Huz wants to go out there and make friends with him...

to all who are dealing with cancer... my sister has been fighting Non Hodgkins lympnoma for a few years now...

Take care all! :seeya:

My grandson psych doc said they're only in it for the profit. My gs is having some issues with his meds, and she gave a script to try for a new med and it's 997.00 and our fep account brought it down to 378.00 , which is still way to much for a thirty day supply. We've been through five different meds so far since March.

Yes, the recipe does work, the only thing is it doesn't get the smell out of is their collars. We have a large backyard so I get the collars that are reflective so I can see them , but you can't get the smell out them and Monalou sleeps on my head so I buy a new one. The cat collector brings in skunks by dumping bags of cat food all over the neighborhood. It's been nice until this week and there has been two of them.

My father had non hodgkins and it responded very well to his first round chemotherapy, they said it had a return rate of five to seven years, and it dd return and he said no to anymore chemo, so we did hospice for him. Jackie Kennedy had non hodgkins,

 

[daisymae]

JFK and Jackie were married 61 years ago today.

Beat you to it Page Bender. :laughing:

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Marijuana is legal now is several states but it is no cure for cancer. It may make you feel better. So does opium. But it doesn't cure it.

I have a fifty x seventy foot garden and a seed catalog from Amsterdam, so I'm all set for when it becomes legal in Texas. I might branch out to bake goods and candy since I love to bake:happydance:

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

255 days and counting, 111 days until the new year


1866 - The first burlesque show opened in New York City. The show was a four-act performance called "The Black Crook".


1928 - Katharine Hepburn's New York stage debut in "Night Hostess"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nH2DKZ-2m74


1940 - 4 teens, following their dog down a hole near Lascaux France discover 17,000-year-old drawings now known as Lascaux Cave Paintings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UnSq0c7jM-A


1953 - 24-year-old Jacqueline Lee Bouvier wed the 36-year-old U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, future U.S. President, John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

[video=youtube;WQQKYLoBdhk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WQQKYLoBdhk[/video]


1954 - "Lassie" was seen on CBS-TV for the first time. Despite being called “girl” by Tommy Rettig, who starred as Jeff Miller, and Jan Clayton, who starred as Jeff’s mom, Ellen, Lassie was, in reality, a male dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=me-beEv9hgg


1959 - "Bonanza" premieres on NBC-TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FDKeKtBgs9k


1962 - You Don’t Know Me - Ray Charles becomes a chart topper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6GX8UalMq8k



1966 - “Hey, hey we’re the Monkees -- and we don’t monkey around...” was heard each week as the Monkee's weekly tv show (they were my first concert)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VNcqV_dC_gE


1970 - 1st Concorde lands at Heathrow airport ( The Concord landed at DFW in 1986 for a brief stop, As the pilots came out of the cockpit (they spoke french) a man standing next to my husband asked if he could look at the cockpit and they said oui (?), the man looked at my husband and they broke out in these huge smiles and they both climbed in for a look. It was an incredible experiecene for my husband, and he's very thankful that the man included him in to a peek inside. We stood out on an overpass inside the airport and watched it take off on the rest of it's round the world flight. The next stop was Hawaii.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=v9bVFkDhGPE

and

1970 - Smokey Robinson and The Miracles were at No.1 on the UK singles chart with 'The Tears Of A Clown'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k2kxlZDOHeQ


1978 - "Taxi" premieres on ABC television

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pvn-tBeLpCk


1979 - This week's UK Top 5 singles: No.5, Dollar, 'Love's Gotta Hold On Me', No.4, ELO, 'Don't Bring Me Down'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OfdOlEOPbJs



1983 - Arnold “I’ll Be Back” Schwarzenegger became a U.S. citizen, 14 years after emigrating from Austria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Liu6sEJPd4A

1984 - Cyndi Lauper sings "She-Bop" on Tonight Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KFq4E9XTueY


2003 - The man in black Johnny Cash, US singer songwriter died of respiratory failure aged 71

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHF9itPLUo4&feature=player_detailpage

 

[janx]

I have a fifty x seventy foot garden and a seed catalog from Amsterdam, so I'm all set for when it becomes legal in Texas. I might branch out to bake goods and candy since I love to bake:happydance:

:floorlaugh: "Seed catalog from Amsterdam..." :floorlaugh: That's great!

 

[YESorNO]

Yes/No-- thankfully there is little possibility any of her fans will end up on her jury- or anyone else's. More than a few aren't even in the US, and virtually everyone else lives outside AZ. Beyond that, they have to vote to be called for jury duty, and I'm gonna take a big leap and guess few or none are reality-based enough to be registered voters.

FWIW...I really advise staying away from any of her supporters webpages, even as visitor. These folks have been known to flat out stalk those who disagree with them, and they DO track visitors. Seriously. Some of these folks are no joke scary whacked.

PS. Rumor has it that the fellow running the justice4her site spent. $5,000 of his own money to build the site and set up a corp to use for soliciting funds on her behalf ( or so he says). He's the one she maligned on her phone call.

Its all so twisted and odd and wrong. What else could it be, though,since it grows from the poisoned root that is she.

BBM Oh, I don't visit those pages- just in the beginning of that murderer from Florida's trial and when I was researching missy's:jail: supporters. I did research that "innocent" site's person (from what I remember, he's from another country?) before I ventured into their website. And I never "join", post, etc.

It's like going down the rabbit hole with Alice and meeting the red queen of hearts ("Off with their heads!":scared, et al -reality has been thrown out with the crazies and all their theories. :scared:

You feel as if you're in another realm and just want to run back to WS, where reality and some semblance of "normal" is there. :happydance:

I don't understand the tracking tho'. What can they do to me? I don't even belong to Facebook, Twitter, etc- just WS. Nothing to be afraid of for me, IMO.

When I need a laugh, I read the #missy:jail: Tweets. They can be really funny. :razz: :silly:

 

[YESorNO]

How can I view the motion to compel? It just shows front page. Thanks.

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseSearch.asp

Just type in missy's:jail: name, press "search" and on the page you land on- press the "case number (CR2008-031021) and it will bring you to all the files, but you won't be able to view the actual "motion"- just the list "case history" - looks like this:


Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
9/10/2014 NOT - Notice - Party (001) 9/10/2014
NOTE: NOTICE OF FILING
9/10/2014 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 9/11/2014
NOTE: Motion to Compel Access to Evidence
9/5/2014 LET - Letter - Party (001) 9/9/2014

To view all the minute entries:

Go here: http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/

Type in her name again, then "retrieve minute entries" and you come to this page:

Clerk of the Superior Court Minute Entries

Search again
Case Number Def Id Name Entry Date Judicial Officer Name
CR2008031021
(001) ARIAS, JODI ANN 09/04/2014 HON. SHERRY K. STEPHENS View Minute Entry
CR2008031021
(001) ARIAS, JODI ANN 09/02/2014 HON. SHERRY K. STEPHENS View Minute Entry
CR2008031021
(001) ARIAS, JODI ANN 08/27/2014 HON. SHERRY K. STEPHENS View Minute Entry


Press "view minute entry" and you will get a pdf of the minute entry (when available- not all are because some are sealed).

Does this help any?

:seeya:

 

[janx]

BBM Oh, I don't visit those pages- just in the beginning of that murderer from Florida's trial and when I was researching missy's:jail: supporters. I did research that "innocent" site's person (from what I remember, he's from another country?) before I ventured into their website. And I never "join", post, etc.

It's like going down the rabbit hole with Alice and meeting the red queen of hearts ("Off with their heads!":scared, et al -reality has been thrown out with the crazies and all their theories. :scared:

You feel as if you're in another realm and just want to run back to WS, where reality and some semblance of "normal" is there. :happydance:

I don't understand the tracking tho'. What can they do to me? I don't even belong to Facebook, Twitter, etc- just WS. Nothing to be afraid of for me, IMO.

When I need a laugh, I read the #missy:jail: Tweets. They can be really funny. :razz: :silly:

I have looked at some of those sites and pages, unfortunately. As you have pointed out (and as I have), people who reject the jury's verdict seem to be:

1. Men who have seen pictures of the convict online (cosmetic selfies or the nekkid ones) and who are not thinking logically
2. Women who have experience with domestic violence and who have an instant reaction to even the mention of it
3. Women and men who do not have experience with domestic violence but who believe her testimony because they believe they should
4. Anti-death penalty people who believe, mistakenly, that defending one who has been convicted of murder will somehow further that cause
5. Conspiracy theorists ?? People looking for a cause??
6. People from other countries who feel superior to us barbaric Americans, let alone Arizonans, in that "America" still supports the death penalty. (Most of them don't seem to realize that this is determined by individual states.)
7. People whose reasons are more complex than those I've identified so far

Some of this is understandable. It doesn't make it any easier to read though. The justice system worked in this case, it seems to me.

 

[YESorNO]

All this talk of supporters. rabbit holes, and weed makes me think of this ( the song keeps buzzing in my ears

)

[video=youtube;9HmJQyS8QVw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmJQyS8QVw[/video]


:floorlaugh:

 

[YESorNO]

And this song, too!

:floorlaugh:

[video=youtube;EEEzbFxEbB8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEEzbFxEbB8[/video]

 

[YESorNO]

I have looked at some of those sites and pages, unfortunately. As you have pointed out (and as I have), people who reject the jury's verdict seem to be:

1. Men who have seen pictures of the convict online (cosmetic selfies or the nekkid ones) and who are not thinking logically
2. Women who have experience with domestic violence and who have an instant reaction to even the mention of it
3. Women and men who do not have experience with domestic violence but who believe her testimony because they believe they should
4. Anti-death penalty people who believe, mistakenly, that defending one who has been convicted of murder will somehow further that cause
5. Conspiracy theorists ?? People looking for a cause??
6. People from other countries who feel superior to us barbaric Americans, let alone Arizonans, in that "America" still supports the death penalty. (Most of them don't seem to realize that this is determined by individual states.)
7. People whose reasons are more complex than those I've identified so far

Some of this is understandable. It doesn't make it any easier to read though. The justice system worked in this case, it seems to me.

And you have summed it up much better than I did. :tyou:

:goodpost:

 

[Nore]

Does she have a lazy eye, or is it just me?

Hi Z&Bs Mommy,:welcome6: Yes she does. I call her miss priss have other names but I don't
want a TOS..:seeya:

 

[Z&BsMommy]

Hi Z&Bs Mommy,:welcome6: Yes she does. I call her miss priss have other names but I don't
want a TOS..:seeya:

Hehe, she certainly is a little priss.. If you ask me, the lazy eye adds a nice touch to the psycho Barbie look [emoji5] Thank you for the welcome.. This place and you guys add some sanity to the circus which is my life [emoji12]

 

[Miss Judy]

Quick note here regarding the posts above: I've got a "lazy eye" myself (Exotropia, to be precise). I promise, I'm not crazy, homicidal, or in any way similar to the Convicted Murderer currently hanging with Sheriff Joe. XD I do have pretty much non-existent depth perception though and the ability to switch my vision from one eye to the other, both of which have led to numerous episodes of hilarity. FYI: Insurance won't cover fixing the eye thing after a certain age. How much does that suck? They say it's just "cosmetic" since at age 40-something (when I first asked, many...err, I mean *a few* years ago) they figure I've adjusted to my lack of depth perception. Pfffft. Trust me, you still don't want me pouring coffee for you if you're holding the cup.

Anyway, back to the reason I actually came to post: Does anyone read Christine Beswick's articles over on The Examiner? She's very pro-Travis/pro-victim. Her latest post about this case is dated Sept. 10th. It's another good piece (IMO) but it's the comments that might be of interest to some. It's informative stuff for those who don't want to visit the actual craziness that is a J.A. "support" site but are curious about who these people are. I don't visit those sites either but I've kept up with the various FB pages and blogs, so I recognize the names mentioned. Really scary stuff if you ask me, especially that Sandra Webber blogger. Yeesh.

I'd post a link but unsure if it's allowed. Will do so if someone wants to reassure me that it's okay? I wanna be good.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Quick note here regarding the posts above: I've got a "lazy eye" myself (Exotropia, to be precise). I promise, I'm not crazy, homicidal, or in any way similar to the Convicted Murderer currently hanging with Sheriff Joe. XD I do have pretty much non-existent depth perception though and the ability to switch my vision from one eye to the other, both of which have led to numerous episodes of hilarity. FYI: Insurance won't cover fixing the eye thing after a certain age. How much does that suck? They say it's just "cosmetic" since at age 40-something (when I first asked, many...err, I mean *a few* years ago) they figure I've adjusted to my lack of depth perception. Pfffft. Trust me, you still don't want me pouring coffee for you if you're holding the cup.

Anyway, back to the reason I actually came to post: Does anyone read Christine Beswick's articles over on The Examiner? She's very pro-Travis/pro-victim. Her latest post about this case is dated Sept. 10th. It's another good piece (IMO) but it's the comments that might be of interest to some. It's informative stuff for those who don't want to visit the actual craziness that is a J.A. "support" site but are curious about who these people are. I don't visit those sites either but I've kept up with the various FB pages and blogs, so I recognize the names mentioned. Really scary stuff if you ask me, especially that Sandra Webber blogger. Yeesh.

I'd post a link but unsure if it's allowed. Will do so if someone wants to reassure me that it's okay? I wanna be good.

Okay. So I went to theexaminer.com, ya know, thinking that might be the website. You won't believe this...it went to a small website in my hometown in East Texas. Sheesh!! Haven't lived there for fifteen years and what a strange thing to have happen. There was no examiner there back then. So do you mind posting the link? Thank you.

 

[Miss Judy]

Okay. So I went to theexaminer.com, ya know, thinking that might be the website. You won't believe this...it went to a small website in my hometown in East Texas. Sheesh!! Haven't lived there for fifteen years and what a strange thing to have happen. There was no examiner there back then. So do you mind posting the link? Thank you.

Yes ma'am, happy to oblige. The article itself isn't news for WS, but again, the comments might be of interest for the curious.

http://www.examiner.com/article/jod...-we-delay-again-motion-leaked-jailhouse-audio

 

[YESorNO]

Just wondering how Autumn was doing tonight and found this on her stillborn baby:

They named him Roho, a Swahili word meaning "spirit".

RIP little Roho :candle:

Give my Buddy and all my pets who died a kiss for me and tell them I will see them soon.

Autumn here:

She's spending time with Kiko (located in the stall next to her)

https://www.facebook.com/greenvillezoo

 

[Renee110]

Oh, I'm glad to know this recipe!! There has been a skunk in our backyard now for a few nights, and now the Huz wants to go out there and make friends with him...

to all who are dealing with cancer... my sister has been fighting Non Hodgkins lympnoma for a few years now...

Take care all! :seeya:

Skunks don't make friends! Better have a batch made up.

My mom died of cancer 4 years ago. Terrible disease.

 

[Renee110]

I have a fifty x seventy foot garden and a seed catalog from Amsterdam, so I'm all set for when it becomes legal in Texas. I might branch out to bake goods and candy since I love to bake:happydance:

I'll buy!!