SIDEBAR #51 - Arias/Alexander forum

[Niner]

Morning all! :wave:

:gaah: a THOUSAND times - I just lost a very long post... :gaah: and than tried to post again and getting a gray box... :scared: what the HECK is going on??!!

okay... calmed down a bit, will try again, if can remember all of it! :no:

ILikeToBendPages - a BIG :hug: to you and your family. Poor baby Lily Ann! I hope she mends fast. No words for who did this to this little baby! :silenced: :furious:

GigiG - yes, on the kids coming over here first, but in my parents situation, they had to flee Latvia as the Russians were pushing the Nazis to the Baltic Sea. But in the 60s his mother's sisters died and she was the only one left and wanted to be with her son. I know he had to go thru a LOT of red tape to get her over here. And my Niner user name comes from the San Francisco Forty-Niners football team; when I lived in the Bay Area I had season tickets!
:cheer:
And I like the idea of a European accent!! As I have none, I guess just a California one, if there is such a thing!? :waitasec: But I do consider myself a Latvian-American.

YESorNO on the article about the 4 year old getting hit by a sledgehammer 7 times!!??!! OH.MY.GOD. :noooo: Just don't understand "how" some people can do this to other human beings; I guess I never will...

neesaki :tyou: - I'll share one more of little bro. He liked to play the saxphone!

Later! :seeya:

hope this goes thru... fingers crossed...

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

No one in our family can see or check on Lily. She will be known as baby unknown for 14 days.

Loli-Pop are filing to get custody of her. As things stand now this is felony child abuse. Little mama is not doing good. She is hoping new daddy didn't do this.

 

[Bernina]

No one in our family can see or check on Lily. She will be known as baby unknown for 14 days.

Loli-Pop are filing to get custody of her. As things stand now this is felony child abuse. Little mama is not doing good. She is hoping new daddy didn't do this.

So you can't even call to find out what her condition is?

 

[Zuri]

Oh Pages, I am so sorry that you and yours are living this nightmare. I am praying Lily pulls through surgery and can heal quickly. It sounds as though new daddy and his mother have some explaining to do. At least new daddy sought immediate medical attention. His mother should be extricated from the home via a SWAT team. I heard that they wait on you in jail....

 

[GigiG]

No one in our family can see or check on Lily. She will be known as baby unknown for 14 days.

Loli-Pop are filing to get custody of her. As things stand now this is felony child abuse. Little mama is not doing good. She is hoping new daddy didn't do this.

I am in such shock about this – words fail me!

 

[coffeejunkie]

I'm sorry, what else can I say...

:grouphug:

 

[Spellbound]

They're taking Lily in to surgery. Someone rammed something down her throat, cutting it up . New daddy said he was giving her a bath and she spit up blood, and that he got the sucker thing and was suctioning her out a lot of blood came up and he called 911. It was just new daddy and his mother in the apartment a that time. Little mama was at work and my sister had spoke with her before eleven and all was fine, something happened to Lily around that time. Please continue your prayers for our Lily, her mama, and Loli -Pop, they need it.

No one in our family can see or check on Lily. She will be known as baby unknown for 14 days.

Loli-Pop are filing to get custody of her. As things stand now this is felony child abuse. Little mama is not doing good. She is hoping new daddy didn't do this.

Pages, definitely my prayers will continue. I am beyond speechless and angry, and words just won't come that will bring comfort. Please know how much we care and will pray little Lily has no lasting issues from this. Prayers for all, Little Mama, and Loli -pop, and you, and all who love this little girl.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

New updates. The skull fracture is from a wreck that happened about two months ago when a moron stopped his car in the middle of the on ramp after he hit a man on a motorcycle, and little mama threw herself over Lily's carseats and Loli-Pop threw herself over little mama and Lily before they hit his car. The cat scan they took at that time showed a hairline crack, but didn't tell anyone about it.

The tear in her escogous was done when new daddy was suction in her out, and the cracked ribs are from him hitting her on her back when she started choking. The dr.said he has seen this kind of tear three times in the last three months,and all from the type of suction (?) they were using . So things are calming down. Loli-Pop has an attorney and is filing papers for them to see her.

Little mama is moving back home, and CPS said Lily is to never go over to the other grandmother's . It has been deemed unfit for any child under eighteen.

I wonder if there will be an recall on the suckered thingy.

Little mama may get to see her tonight they want to keep her sedated she's fussy and doesn't like the tube down her nose.

I want to thank you to all for your prayers and good thoughts.

I hope I can relax and sleep some tonight?

 

[Spellbound]

Poor Lily has sure been through a lot in her short time. Thank you for the update. I hope her mama gets to see her tonight....they both need to comfort each other. Glad she is moving back home, too. I imagine more investigations are coming. For now, we pray for Lily to recover quickly and heal perfectly.

Soft hugs for you, (((Pages))). Try to rest tonight. I will check in here periodically as long as I can stay up. Worked hard outside today, so I may fall asleep early.

 

[Zuri]

New updates. The skull fracture is from a wreck that happened about two months ago when a moron stopped his car in the middle of the on ramp after he hit a man on a motorcycle, and little mama threw herself over Lily's carseats and Loli-Pop threw herself over little mama and Lily before they hit his car. The cat scan they took at that time showed a hairline crack, but didn't tell anyone about it.

The tear in her escogous was done when new daddy was suction in her out, and the cracked ribs are from him hitting her on her back when she started choking. The dr.said he has seen this kind of tear three times in the last three months,and all from the type of suction (?) they were using . So things are calming down. Loli-Pop has an attorney and is filing papers for them to see her.

Little mama is moving back home, and CPS said Lily is to never go over to the other grandmother's . It has been deemed unfit for any child under eighteen.

I wonder if there will be an recall on the suckered thingy.

Little mama may get to see her tonight they want to keep her sedated she's fussy and doesn't like the tube down her nose.

I want to thank you to all for your prayers and good thoughts.

I hope I can relax and sleep some tonight?

Pages, I am curious about some of the things you wrote about. I got some explanation from DH MD, but I am trying to figure the other stuff out.

What kind of suction did they have at home? IIRC, most babies are given the nose secretion suction bulb. Did she have respiratory problems requiring suction of her lungs?

Secondly, did the ER docs actually miss the hairline skull fracture initially? That sounds more plausible than them not telling little mama about it. It sounds to me more like they dropped the ball....

Ribs in infants are cartilage and it is indeed possible to crack the cartilage with back blows during choking incidents. They can't determine the cracks on X-ray. They have to do an ultrasound typically, or a CT scan?

Was Lily in a car seat when she sustained the skull fracture? Or hit by the airbag? I am assuming Lily was in a backwards facing car seat in the front seat due to age. I am so glad no one was seriously hurt as that sounds dreadful and scary.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Things are changing from my last post. Things might not be as they appear. The last was the dr. viewpoint? at this time, but CPS and the police are looking at this much different

We got to talk with little mama after the last call, and she told us more of what happened. We had heard that little mama was uncomfortable with new daddy's mother being around Lily. So yesterday when new daddy took little mama to work they left Lily with his mother for the first time. he dropped her off at 8: 30 and no one knows when new daddy went back to the apartment, but sometime in there something happened to Lily, and he said he caused the injuries by suctioning her and pounding on her chest when she was chocking, and called 911. So Lily was careflited and new daddy and his mom went to the hospital, while little mama was only told she was at the hospital, and she thought maybe her upper respiratory virus had got worse. She said she walked in and she's surrounded by police and they separated her and new daddy, and she was then told what had happened to Lily. She didn't get to see her at all.

She said that CPS asked new daddy to sign off his rights right then and there, and he is never to be alone with Lily, all visits will be supervised. Lily will be coming home with Loli in a week, and little mama can't be there unsupervised until the investigation is done. So she's going to stay with her aunt. My sister and I will take care of Lily all day while Loli is at work, so that's one step closer to dealing with this for now.

Little mama said the police told her that they had looked at new daddy's mother mental records and Lily isn't to be around her at all.. So what do y'all think? It could of been an accident or did new daddy get home and found Lily hurt? and he's covering for his mom? Loli -pop will gets to see Lily tonight - little mama is not doing well - she hasn't seen her baby since yesterday morning before she left for work.

 

[GigiG]

Things are changing from my last post. Things might not be as they appear. The last was the dr. viewpoint? at this time, but CPS and the police are looking at this much different

We got to talk with little mama after the last call, and she told us more of what happened. We had heard that little mama was uncomfortable with new daddy's mother being around Lily. So yesterday when new daddy took little mama to work they left Lily with his mother for the first time. he dropped her off at 8: 30 and no one knows when new daddy went back to the apartment, but sometime in there something happened to Lily, and he said he caused the injuries by suctioning her and pounding on her chest when she was chocking, and called 911. So Lily was careflited and new daddy and his mom went to the hospital, while little mama was only told she was at the hospital, and she thought maybe her upper respiratory virus had got worse. She said she walked in and she's surrounded by police and they separated her and new daddy, and she was then told what had happened to Lily. She didn't get to see her at all.

She said that CPS asked new daddy to sign off his rights right then and there, and he is never to be alone with Lily, all visits will be supervised. Lily will be coming home with Loli in a week, and little mama can't be there unsupervised until the investigation is done. So she's going to stay with her aunt. My sister and I will take care of Lily all day while Loli is at work, so that's one step closer to dealing with this for now.

Little mama said the police told her that they had looked at new daddy's mother mental records and Lily isn't to be around her at all.. So what do y'all think? It could of been an accident or did new daddy get home and found Lily hurt? and he's covering for his mom? Loli -pop will gets to see Lily tonight - little mama is not doing well - she hasn't seen her baby since yesterday morning before she left for work.

OMG. I don't even know what to think. Obviously, the daddy's mother is bad news, but how much do you know about the daddy? How long have he and Lily's mom been together? You know, there is that old "apple not falling far from the tree" thing...

At this point, I just hope that Lily will recover from this trauma without lasting physical or emotional scars. I'm glad that she has you and your sister to look after her. Please give yourselves a well-deserved pat on the back since I know you're both looking after other family members as well. You clearly have a very big heart.:heartbeat:

ETA:

Just noticed Carelifted? Does that mean that they had to call in a helicopter to take her to the hospital!!??

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Pages, I am curious about some of the things you wrote about. I got some explanation from DH MD, but I am trying to figure the other stuff out.

What kind of suction did they have at home? IIRC, most babies are given the nose secretion suction bulb. Did she have respiratory problems requiring suction of her lungs?

Secondly, did the ER docs actually miss the hairline skull fracture initially? That sounds more plausible than them not telling little mama about it. It sounds to me more like they dropped the ball....

Ribs in infants are cartilage and it is indeed possible to crack the cartilage with back blows during choking incidents. They can't determine the cracks on X-ray. They have to do an ultrasound typically, or a CT scan?

Was Lily in a car seat when she sustained the skull fracture? Or hit by the airbag? I am assuming Lily was in a backwards facing car seat in the front seat due to age. I am so glad no one was seriously hurt as that sounds dreadful and scary.

My sister said it wasn't the old fashion suction bulb thing. It has a curve i it? and it hit several times where the tear was. She had what we use to call a slight cold and had seen her pedi for that, and it was nasal saline and suction of her nose.

Maybe the ER Dr. hadn't really seen the fracture. She did have a c scan. Lily was in the back seat in her rear facing car seat with Loli on one side and little mama on the other. Their car was totaled, Pop had several broken toes, Loli was bruised from her seat belt. and sore all over. When the guy in front of them slammed on his brakes after hitting a man on a motorcycle, on a rainy night, little mama threw herself over the car seat, and Loli threw herself over little mama and Lily before they hit him, so they say that was reasonable for the fracture and that it looked to of happened around that same time - so that is kinda taken care of?


Last week after the burn/allergic reaction Lily pedi told little mama to not go to just an ER, but to go to Children's.

 

[Spellbound]

Pages, I just don't feel this was an accident, but I am torn between the daddy and his mother, or both. CPS is on the ball this time, thank goodness. Was it common to have to suction her throat? For some reason, that is also bothering me a lot. It just seems Lily must have serious inupjuries for LE and CPS to be involved so quickly and there is more to all of what happened than you know yet. Of course I can be very wrong, and hope that I am. But for now, my thoughts are that someone purposely was too rough or injured her deliberately, and I don't feel at all good about where this may be heading.

I am very sorry and saddened to have to have such discussions with you over your little loved baby. My heart breaks for the pain and anxiety you are enduring. I am glad you feel safe enough with us to come here, to share, vent, cry, or ask for prayers.

I am also glad you are able to help care for little Lily. You are such a good, loving person, Pages,and you are not alone. :hug:

ETA: Pages, is it possible the burn/allergic reaction was caused from a cigarette or other object or caustic product? That has bugged me for awhile. I would imagine any doctor would have been able to tell, but ....?

 

[coffeejunkie]

Wanted to check in tonight and see how the baby is doing. I am troubled by dad and his mom. Something is off somewhere...
Will keep praying for the baby and your family. So relieved that baby will be going home with your family caring for her. That is a good thing!

God Bless

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Pages, I just don't feel this was an accident, but I am torn between the daddy and his mother, or both. CPS is on the ball this time, thank goodness. Was it common to have to suction her throat? For some reason, that is also bothering me a lot. It just seems Lily must have serious inupjuries for LE and CPS to be involved so quickly and there is more to all of what happened than you know yet. Of course I can be very wrong, and hope that I am. But for now, my thoughts are that someone purposely was too rough or injured her deliberately, and I don't feel at all good about where this may be heading.

I am very sorry and saddened to have to have such discussions with you over your little loved baby. My heart breaks for the pain and anxiety you are enduring. I am glad you feel safe enough with us to come here, to share, vent, cry, or ask for prayers.

I am also glad you are able to help care for little Lily. You are such a good, loving person, Pages,and you are not alone. :hug:

ETA: Pages, is it possible the burn/allergic reaction was caused from a cigarette or other object or caustic product? That has bugged me for awhile. I would imagine any doctor would have been able to tell, but ....?

I think CPS has an office at Children's. Too many injured and beaten babies and toddlers come through there probably every day and night. I don't understand the right off the bat demanding new dad to sign off his rights. I can't go there yet (LE said last night someone was covering for the other and I took that as in him and little mama, not him and his mother) as to how this accident/incident happened. And when I try to figured it out I can understand somethings, but then there is that little nagging at the back of my mind.

You know you look back and think of the cut on Lily's lip a few weeks ago that was said to be her hitting herself in the mouth with her hand. My sister and I both owned a daycare and have never seen a two month old being strong enough to cause a cut or bruise.

The burn thing is puzzling. When I first saw it there were four little pimple like bites? in a square above the first blister which had burst, and it was spreading fast. So it's very likely a bite? We thought of a burn and new daddy's mom and kept it to ourselves. The Er Dr. did pop and take a sample of the fluid but we haven't heard anything about it yet.

The police detectives did tell little mama to think about what happened, and come in tomorrow and be honest and talk to them and tell them what she thinks happened there that morning.


My sister and I were waiting for new daddy to drop off Lily yesterday at three, he was running late and we were worried that he might of forgot and left her in the car. No one was answering our calls. Not little mama, new daddy, Loli or Pop. We now know why.

During this time I told my sister that I was uncomfortable with the woman being around Lily, and I didn't know why I had that feeling.

Little mama and new daddy were to move to Loli - Pop's this weekend and I wonder if his mother (her only son that she plays) is hurting Lily to get back at little mama?

 

[Wagara]

Praying for baby Lily. It worries me that new daddy trusted his mom if he knew her history. Prayers for all.

 

[Spellbound]

Pages .... do you want a separate thread?

There are so many things to question. How often were Lily's injuries when daddy was around, or when daddy's mother was present? I agree, why sign his rights away so quickly? She has had more injuries in her short life than is normal. As for his mother trying to get back at Lily...... not impossible; she also could be punishing Lily for taking her son's attention, punishing them both for abandoning her, punishing everyone for loving the baby, who knows how a mind like hat must think. One last question .... is baby's mama questioning daddy's care?

Any idea when Lily may be able to come home to Loli- pop?

Now.... you do know any questions I may ask do not require you to answer, right? And should they bother you, please say so.

:hug:

 

[coffeejunkie]

Hope this finds baby Lily doing better this morning. Seems she is on my mind since Pages posted about her and that Pages rested some last night. I cannot imagine what you are feeling and all I can offer is support and prayers. (hugs)

 

[Dmacky]

Pages .... do you want a separate thread?

There are so many things to question. How often were Lily's injuries when daddy was around, or when daddy's mother was present? I agree, why sign his rights away so quickly? She has had more injuries in her short life than is normal. As for his mother trying to get back at Lily...... not impossible; she also could be punishing Lily for taking her son's attention, punishing them both for abandoning her, punishing everyone for loving the baby, who knows how a mind like hat must think. One last question .... is baby's mama questioning daddy's care?

Any idea when Lily may be able to come home to Loli- pop?

Now.... you do know any questions I may ask do not require you to answer, right? And should they bother you, please say so.

:hug:

Thank you Spell, you said it perfectly. I have been trying to reply myself, but I kept ending up canceling my posts. I didn't want to overstep my bounds. Thank you for wording my thoughts in that special way you have with the written word :smile: