Sidebar Discussion #8

[LEFT-COASTER]

Ya know these pro casey people on the amazon review discussions are nutz lol... If you ask them how they know something is true they say its because it says so in the book..lol..

 

[luvmygarden]

Yup. But I fear something even more sinister. Like maybe JB hopes to drive George to suicide. And then JB would say it proves that George was a molester who couldn't live with what he has done to his daughter and granddaugher.

This situation could become way uglier than it is now if someone doesn't step up to the plate and challenge the spew, IMO.

Where can Harassment play in that scenario? JB can't deny or KC because it is no secret what they are insinuating. It's for public consumption.

 

[Jen38]

bbm - I whole-heartedly agree, this is what JB wants the focus to be on now with FCA getting ready for her "coming out party" LOL after probation towards the end of August, GA and the molestation.

rumor has it JB/FCA still converse a lot, which I believe, she didn't sign over her attorney-client privilege for nothing, there is a method to JB's madness, and I think it was to get the focus RIGHT where it is and what everyone seems to be talking about, i.e.:

Poor Poor FCA being molested by GA, it put her into her imaginary little world, Poor Poor FCA,

Now I don't think many believe what JB is spewing about GA also molesting Caylee (some "supporters" are completely on board with that though as I read around FB/twitter/forums), but I do think many peeps are on board with an inordinate amount of anger toward GA right now, either for him NOT coming out to deny the allegations, or those who were already angry with him for what they feel is a betrayal of Caylee during the trial.

With what we read about that Amy Singer woman culling the internet for JB before and during the trial, I also believe some of the outright lies and twisting of words and this whole GA-molestation thing, there is a reason for it at the moment, that some thought and research went into some of what is in his book, from what I am reading and someone posted here, he is also trying to get some R-E-S-P-E-C-T for himself and rehab himself, but FCA signed her atty-client privilege over for SOMETHING...... to get the focus back onto GA in a big way?? who knows with this WHOLE BUNCH!!!! :banghead:

IMO, MOO, etc.

BBM ~ I have been reading the various comments of Baez' book in this thread, but the bolded above is exactly what I think. I will never forget the look absolute CONTEMPT Casey had while her father was on the stand. Pure seething hatred from that one. I also recall the letter that George wrote her, asking why? How could she do this to all of them? Which leads me to think that he did know what the defense was planning to do.
I honestly don't know what motivates that 'family' (other than the almighty dollar) and I'm perfectly willing to let God manage them. And I am grateful that Caylee is beyond dealing with all of their dramas and dysfunction. No, I'm not glad she was murdered, of course not! But she is beyond all pain and hatred and suffering. That gives me some small measure of peace.

 

[krkrjx]

That thought has crossed my mind too.

I believe Baez completely believes that Casey was molested.

Maybe JB believes Casey was molested, but I do not believe for a second that he believes George harmed Caylee or hid her body. I think he knows without a doubt that his former client is a child killer.

But a child molestation scenario is a big sell.

I certainly am not trying to make light of what victims of this horrid crime endure, and we all know there are molesters out there harming kids. I believe all accusations should be checked out, and I would always err on the side of caution in any molestation accusation. However, I am aware that sometimes molestation allegations are made and are completely false. I think it is very scary that so many in our society are ready to believe there is merit to every sexual abuse accusation made. Because reality is, sometimes people lie about this as a way to get revenge for something else. They pick this accusation specifically because there is a lot of it going on for real and thus many people are ready to take their word for it.

 

[NavySubMom]

Plus having to deal with the thought of your Daughter killing her child. He had to be thinking "what did I do wrong" or "could I have prevented this". I can't even imagine! I'm sure that George and Lee know the truth and Cindy is just in denial because if she faces the facts she won't be able to have "IT" in her life. Cindy would rather live in a Fantasy World too then deal with the truth.

I think Cindy wants to be on speaking terms with FCA and have FCA in her life because she knows what FCA is capable of now more than ever, she LIVED the life of lies, stealing, and who-knows-what-else went on in that house at the hands of FCA, and she knows FCA was the cause of the death of Caylee.

I don't think Cindy is in denial any more, I think she wants to keep her eye on FCA, keep her on her radar screen, know a little bit of what she is up to, provide FCA with some $$ so she doesn't have to resort to SO MUCH stealing (she still might steal, but maybe if she has access to SOME $$ from Cindy maybe she will just pilfer a little bit that people wont' miss and maybe she won't be cashing stolen checks or brazenly stealing), I don't know all what Cindy will provide for FCA, but I think Cindy FEARS what FCA will do once she is off probation and if FCA is all on her own, without Cindy there to run interference or provide her with her basic needs, Cindy FEARS what FCA will do next,

NOT that FCA will tame her sociopathic ways due to Cindy just "being there" for her, but I don't think Cindy understands the full of how FCA rolls, but I think CA thinks she can control some of it if she has a relationship with FCA. I think Cindy wants to "keep her hand in the pot" so to speak to hope that FCA won't get in MAJOR trouble with the law once again, or do to anyone else or their family what FCA has done to the A's. I think Cindy thinks she can still control some of FCA's "tendencies" so-to-speak, and she needs to be somewhat in FCA's life to do that. I'm not saying that Cindy doesn't love FCA because she is her daughter, but I think she has other motives, even though FCA will do whatever she wants, when she wants. Those two are in a very sick relationship, IMO, MOO< etc.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[logicalgirl]

Looking forward to reading your detailed scenario on this, LG.

:coffeecup: It's only four o'clock here but I'm sure I deserve a break....

Honestly krkrjx - I don't have one - that's why I asked the question. Well I sorta do - right now in the midst of the George hatred furor - and Baez yapping at every chance he gets - I don't think he should.

When is the right time? Geez y'know, at this stage of the game - is there a right time? I think he'd get crucified in the media, while declaring his innocence - because Baez has a bigger "media machine" than George has..I just think it would be...bad...I just get such a bad feeling when I think about it....

 

[logicalgirl]

I think that sooner or later, once FCA has turned against Baez - which I am sure she will eventually do- that GA will call the media and say " It was not my daughter making those accusations, I knew that - all that came from Baez, it was his idea and at that time Baez had her life in his hands, so we all went along fearing he would leave her to the death penalty if we spoke out"...
"Since my daughter has now seen the light and is no longer under the control
of this sleazy guy we can finally tell the truth... and make your checks payable to GA please".

Oh I think George has known since he opened that trunk and CA could only find FCA that FCA killed Caylee. And I don't doubt for a minute he knows she is capable of making this kind of accusation - if you will kill your own child - making this kind of an accusation to save your skin is pretty small potatoes...
Well she's not even doing it - she got her Jo-boy to handle it...how easy is that?

 

[logicalgirl]

The consensus here is that George did not molest Casey and I admit that I am still on the fence about whether he did or not, but even if he did, SO WHAT? What does that have to do with the murder of Caylee Anthony?

I want to know the real reason George attempted suicide (if he really did). I just can't buy into him saying he was going to be with Caylee. There is something very strange about that so called attempted suicide.

If he attempted suicide in guilt over helping Casey get rid of the body, I would find it easier to believe.

So you don't think having your precious grand child being murdered and being murdered by your own daughter is enough of a reason to attempt suicide? Geez, people kill themselves because they're in debt or their lover leaves them...

 

[Dignity4Victims]

Brad Conway &#8207;@justiceonwheels

"From the few excerpts I've seen, the Baez book is pure fiction with a little fantasy thrown in. Go figure!"

 

[miss plum]

FCA is going to tell us all about her affair with Baez in her book. :banghead: She said something to the affect that it won't be your normal kiss and tell story.

All of her stories are abnormal.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

The consensus here is that George did not molest Casey and I admit that I am still on the fence about whether he did or not, but even if he did, SO WHAT? What does that have to do with the murder of Caylee Anthony?

I want to know the real reason George attempted suicide (if he really did). I just can't buy into him saying he was going to be with Caylee. There is something very strange about that so called attempted suicide.

If he attempted suicide in guilt over helping Casey get rid of the body, I would find it easier to believe.

I think it could have been a multitude of reasons, none of which had him involved in Caylee's murder or body disposal.

He could have then began hating himself for being so honest with LE & FBI about Casey - of course with Cindy's "hateful help".

He also could have been pretending to commit suicide, (again Cindy's idea), in order to start that "change in the public's perception" that Cindy talked about in her letters to Casey. A suicide attempt will most always bring sympathy for the one so distraught.

I absolutely do believe that George is the only immediate family member in Caylee's life who loved that baby wholeheartedly. All of the others, including Lee, had their own agendas and/or angst over Caylee. Cindy & Casey downright used her as a pawn between their personal wars.

I also believe that George, lacking as he is, was the only one who ever tried to straighten Casey out and hold her feet to the fire, again shot down by Cindy each and every time.

If George had anything to do with Caylee's demise, ask yourself, why did Casey lavish George with such praise in the jail conversations about being a good father and the best grandfather? Remember that Casey also followed that with, "Caylee WAS lucky to have you!" This was BEFORE Caylee's body was found.

No one will ever, ever convince me that George had anything to do with this crime.

 

[krkrjx]

Just going to throw this out there for all those who think George could not really have been suicidal because he didn't follow through: There are many suicide attempts in this country where the person is serious but for whatever reason is unsuccessful.

I do not know how far George went that day, whether he actually attempted or stopped short of that. I do believe, however, that he was feeling deep despair and grief over Caylee's death and the knowledge that her own mother was the killer and in that state of despair he seriously considered suicide.

Also, the way it was brought out in court that George made the "snowballed out of control" statement, I believe he was taken out of context. What he was doing when he said that, IMO, was trying to rationalize in his mind that Caylee must have died in a way that did not make Casey a murderer. He was no doubt trying to convince himself that something had gone wrong to a point where there was no turning back. That's usually what "snowballed out of control" means. IOW, I think he knew the score (that Caylee died at Casey's hand) but was desperately looking for ways to convince himself that it had not been intentional.

I do not like George. I have little respect for him as a parent, a grandfather, or as a man. But I do have a speck of sympathy for the fact that he has been, IMO, seriously misunderstood. Unfortunately, he brought much of it upon himself, which is why he has little recourse to fight back now.

All JMO.

 

[MaryB]

Hey Jose,

Why did you lie again in your book and say CA didn't have an AOL account only GA? Since you refuse to tell the truth, I will include the transcripts of Tony L & CA AOL instant messages.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=80488198

This book should be under fiction. It's all lies, lies lies.

 

[tmhco]

bbm - I whole-heartedly agree, this is what JB wants the focus to be on now with FCA getting ready for her "coming out party" LOL after probation towards the end of August, GA and the molestation.

rumor has it JB/FCA still converse a lot, which I believe, she didn't sign over her attorney-client privilege for nothing, there is a method to JB's madness, and I think it was to get the focus RIGHT where it is and what everyone seems to be talking about, i.e.:

Poor Poor FCA being molested by GA, it put her into her imaginary little world, Poor Poor FCA,

Now I don't think many believe what JB is spewing about GA also molesting Caylee (some "supporters" are completely on board with that though as I read around FB/twitter/forums), but I do think many peeps are on board with an inordinate amount of anger toward GA right now, either for him NOT coming out to deny the allegations, or those who were already angry with him for what they feel is a betrayal of Caylee during the trial.

With what we read about that Amy Singer woman culling the internet for JB before and during the trial, I also believe some of the outright lies and twisting of words and this whole GA-molestation thing, there is a reason for it at the moment, that some thought and research went into some of what is in his book, from what I am reading and someone posted here, he is also trying to get some R-E-S-P-E-C-T for himself and rehab himself, but FCA signed her atty-client privilege over for SOMETHING...... to get the focus back onto GA in a big way?? who knows with this WHOLE BUNCH!!!! :banghead:

IMO, MOO, etc.

If FCA thinks she has to hide now, let the public find out she was paid for malicious lies. I feel like I live in the twilight zone with this case. God help her then.

 

[Ricki]

We have the flower girl posting under NJ's comments saying she never read the book or watched the trial.. If she only knew.

 

[tmhco]

So you don't think having your precious grand child being murdered and being murdered by your own daughter is enough of a reason to attempt suicide? Geez, people kill themselves because they're in debt or their lover leaves them...

And guilt for allowing CA to enable FCA. I believe he felt responsible for not stopping it.

 

[miss plum]

Now #230 in books, LOL

 

[krkrjx]

If GA did indeed fell on the sword to prevent her from getting the DP, and he did want to clear his name, is he obligated to JB not say anything about being (in on it)? I would love to see him just tell JB to take a hike and out him if this is the case because it is getting out of control...but like I said in my last post, he really does not have anyone to back him.

And about the alleged allocations of molestation, Cindy pretty much controlled what went on in that house. I am sure she had eyes everywhere. If she kicked GA out of the house for running up a gambling bill(or whatever it was) why wouldn't people think she wouldn't kick GA out for molestation. JB said it all started when KC was 8yrs. I can not even imagine Cindy not catching on if it was true. Which I feel it is not true at all.

I don't know how GA could be obligated to JB to not go public now with information that the family was in on the abuse allegation plot at trial in order to save Casey from the death penalty. I mean, the trial is over, so there is no more risk of death penalty. And if they were in on it only to that outcome, they have a right to bow out now whenever they want. The family, even if they conspired with the defense, is not under the defense's thumb for life. Not unless they want to be, that is.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Media schedules for book...

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July 10, 2012 at 7:45 p.m. ET: Live author interview on CNN’s Erin Burnett OutFront: Nationally syndicated

 

[bayouland]

I think it could have been a multitude of reasons, none of which had him involved in Caylee's murder or body disposal.

He could have then began hating himself for being so honest with LE & FBI about Casey - of course with Cindy's "hateful help".

He also could have been pretending to commit suicide, (again Cindy's idea), in order to start that "change in the public's perception" that Cindy talked about in her letters to Casey. A suicide attempt will most always bring sympathy for the one so distraught.

I absolutely do believe that George is the only immediate family member in Caylee's life who loved that baby wholeheartedly. All of the others, including Lee, had their own agendas and/or angst over Caylee. Cindy & Casey downright used her as a pawn between their personal wars.

I also believe that George, lacking as he is, was the only one who ever tried to straighten Casey out and hold her feet to the fire, again shot down by Cindy each and every time.

If George had anything to do with Caylee's demise, ask yourself, why did Casey lavish George with such praise in the jail conversations about being a good father and the best grandfather? Remember that Casey also followed that with, "Caylee WAS lucky to have you!" This was BEFORE Caylee's body was found.

No one will ever, ever convince me that George had anything to do with this crime.

I appreciate your insight. I do think he was pretending, for whatever reason.