Sidebar Discussion #9

[logicalgirl]

Had a peek around - could only find this article at radaronline.com...I don't think I heard anything about this - especially because it was a mistake, but at the ed of the article they say FCA is off-probation on the 21st of August, which is a month today.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ified-driver-who-ran-down-two-women-exclusive

 

[spcagrl]

It is one of Baez's talking points - he always mentions the 400 pages...

Yes, all those pages make it seem kind of like 10 lbs of s**t in a 5 lb bag.......

 

[bayouland]

I still find it amazing that most can't even consider that GA may have molested Casey. From the moment the media reported this tragic event, and after seeing Casey on the news - The first thing I said was WOW, This girl is a molestation victim. Long before anything of the sort was even remotely mentioned. I guess I just seen myself (to an extent) in her somehow. But what truly throws me is how no one wants to even consider that it may be true. I mean, you seriously didn't think he would admit it do you? (not to anyone in particular) So since he said No it didn't happen that's the end of it? Since, Casey lies that's the end of it? The truth of the matter is that NO ONE but Casey and George know the truth. NO ONE. And for ANYONE to say that he did not, you know not what you speak of. And certainly don't know anything about child sexual abuse. When I FINALLY told my mom she said "He must have been having a seizure." LOL. Well if that was the case he was having a seizure every day for 5 years lol. Anyway, that was her way of denial and dealing. Just because the perp doesn't admit it or no one else knows, or no report, doesn't mean squat. All just my two cents. IMO.

I am sorry for all you have been through.

BBM. IMO. Even IF George did abuse Casey, she will never be believed.

It is just too easy to not believe her. She has zero credibility and at the end of the day, that is all we have. And this credibility problem is her own fault. Casey brings "lying" to a whole new level.

JMO

 

[bayouland]

The whole darn family is nutz. LA is just as kooky as the rest of them. They are all co-dependents and are enmeshed with one another. GA is the outsider in the group but is needed by cindy for validation, as she cannot be alone. He is good-looking and is allowed to stay. After-all, he makes her look good. He is a trophy husband. Everything cindy does, references appearances. Even the last day in court, cindy could be heard saying how beautiful her daughter is. A serious moment like this and she is concerned with her looks. IMO, Lee was forgotten when FCA was born. cindy dotted on her DD as she was the "pretty one". FCA got away with murder (no pun intended). Lee had to be the "pleaser" and struggled for his place in the web.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=8175334

Both of the children born to this couple are severely lacking, imo. If there was any sexual molestation going on, it may have been initiated by FCA, imo. I think the prosecution knows differently than they told the public. I think Jeff A and LB played way too nice with the brother. I think they felt sorry for him. They went out of their way to protect him. Either the anthonys had them snookered or they were in full protection mode of the family. Come on, his crying on the stand because he wasn't invited to the baby shower was over the top. It was sickening. The prosecution had a heart, something the Anthonys lack.

Baez will never admit he was a toy...as he has been sucked into the vortex of the anthony web. Almost everyone that has touched this family have not faired well...imo..it is just a matter of time before they reap what they have sown.

For 31 days, the grandparents didn't go get Caylee. We all know cindy's personality. Do you really believe she wouldn't have found Caylee and rescued her if she knew she was alive? In a heartbeat...she would have called HER car in stolen immediately and located them. She did nothing. She stuck her head in the sand. If the car wasn't found, we still would never know what happened.

George went along with cindy, as he was told they have to protect FCA. This is the "Family of the Lie".

They knew something very bad happened...they did nothing. Neither of them stood up for Caylee...and for that, I refuse to give the grandparents a break.

BBM. I agree with you completely on this and am still wondering what the immunity was all about???

 

[ZsaZsa]

Had a peek around - could only find this article at radaronline.com...I don't think I heard anything about this - especially because it was a mistake, but at the ed of the article they say FCA is off-probation on the 21st of August, which is a month today.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ified-driver-who-ran-down-two-women-exclusive

Radar online also has a (non) story about her running down two women in Bellaire, Ohio.... I hope it was her but they are not the most reliable magazine... one of the comments on the WTO9 site says she has mail
delivered to her on Monroe st. People all over the country are on the lookout for her .:woohoo:

 

[pcrum12]

Even though I don't know you personally I am going to make a very bold statement here and say that you and Casey are nothing alike, at all.

You see Casey based on your past experiences. That is understandable. However, please do me a favor. Think about some of the things that Casey has done, would you ever do any of those things yourself? Would you steal money from your grandmother's account for things that you did NOT need? Would you steal money from your grandfather's account, money that was to be used to pay for his much needed medical help? Would you wipe out a supposedly best friends bank account while she was on vacation and spend the money on beer, cute outfits, sunglasses, food for your new guy and his roommates? Would you lie to everyone you know about a job you don't have? Would you make up a nanny, a boyfriend and his son, good work friends, etc just to show people how very important you are and that you are doing well in the income department? Would you tell your father (who supposedly molested you) that he was a wonderful father and grandfather?

I hope you see where I am going with all of this. It isn't that I believe George simply because he denies this, I believe George because I know that Casey ALWAYS has an ulterior motive for everything she says and does. Casey lies, and lies, and lies some more. Casey lies about very trivial things that really are so unimportant that she should just tell the truth.

I'm sorry for what happened to you, I truly am. But please do not compare yourself to this individual who killed her child and has ruined every single life she ever came into contact with.

MOO

I honestly see your point. but, I really do see me in some of the things Casey did. I did not steal. but I did fantasize and lie. I made myself more important than I was, I lied to family and friends. And more importantly I told my father He was the greatest father and grandfather. Seriously, I did. I stood by him over my mother. Looking back I'm so ashamed. I hated my mom for not believing me and in retaliation I took HIS side. Crazy I know. And trust me, I was molested and raped DAILY. Another thing I did, is lie to get out of the house WITH my child so WE would not be there alone with him. Yes, I had a child out of wedlock as a teen, and yes I was very promiscuous as a teen and young adult. I don't know, none of us know. But I believe the molestation. I'm not saying that gave a right to kill a child. And we all have our own theory on Caylee's death. I'm really not trying to debate that, only the molestation. Thanks for reading and responding.

 

[pcrum12]

Casey could not/would not even tell "Cookie" that George had molested her in the jailhouse letters. If it were true, what better way to "bond" with someone than to tell them the horrid details of what her father had done instead of the less invasive things "done by Lee".

MOO

Actually it's classic coping mechanism.

 

[LambChop]

Actually it's classic coping mechanism.

I think the big difference here is you obviously care about people.....KC does not. That is a big difference. jmo

 

[RR0004]

It is one of Baez's talking points - he always mentions the 400 pages...

Those reviewers better get a grip. Baez's book will NEVER be made into a movie, IMHO. (But, I can think of lots of titles, if it does...lol)

 

[Ricki]

About her probation///go to the social media thread.

 

[logicalgirl]

BBM. I agree with you completely on this and am still wondering what the immunity was all about???

Hmmm - the only person I recall having immunity was LA because his lawyer Luca asked for it when the LE wanted to talk to him about the infamous "blue screen"
Do you remember any docs I can look at that confirm GA and CA had immunity?:waitasec:
Thanks in advance...:seeya:

 

[logicalgirl]

Ugh! See the current news update . The comments under the Hal Boedecker article are mostly good, though. I reminded them it was # 564 on Amazon. But I haven't seen my comment published yet.

I saw it and you might want to suggest that if Baez is #13 on the NY LIst, then Amazon and B&N must not be selling many books these days. He hasn't even hit 100,000 copies yet.

 

[logicalgirl]

Radar online also has a (non) story about her running down two women in Bellaire, Ohio.... I hope it was her but they are not the most reliable magazine... one of the comments on the WTO9 site says she has mail
delivered to her on Monroe st. People all over the country are on the lookout for her .:woohoo:

Heh heh - I guess no courts are protecting her now. Should be a freeforall in a couple of weeks - anybody can blab whatever they want now...:floorlaugh:

 

[krkrjx]

Those reviewers better get a grip. Baez's book will NEVER be made into a movie, IMHO. (But, I can think of lots of titles, if it does...lol)

I have thought about that and have to admit I bet the book will be a movie at some point. At least a movie based on the book. By that I mean a movie from the defense's viewpoint. I think such a movie would be a steaming pile of you-know-what, but that won't stop it from being made--after all, it didn't stop the book from being published.

 

[logicalgirl]

Actually it's classic coping mechanism.

It's also a classic manipulation technique.From a convicted felon who lies about everything.
I'd be interested to know if you still lie and fantasize? Because FCA does.

 

[pcrum12]

It's also a classic manipulation technique.From a convicted felon who lies about everything.
I'd be interested to know if you still lie and fantasize? Because FCA does.

No but I've had years of therapy.

 

[RR0004]

Hmmm - the only person I recall having immunity was LA because his lawyer Luca asked for it when the LE wanted to talk to him about the infamous "blue screen"
Do you remember any docs I can look at that confirm GA and CA had immunity?:waitasec:
Thanks in advance...:seeya:

I know they were seeking it...and I know we discussed it forever...but not sure if they actually got it. Oh, my tired brain.

 

[RR0004]

I hope Casey is no where to be found. Let her take her murderous self to another country (not that I'd wish her on anyone).

 

[kaki]

I saw it and you might want to suggest that if Baez is #13 on the NY LIst, then Amazon and B&N must not be selling many books these days. He hasn't even hit 100,000 copies yet.

Has he hit 10,000 or even 5,000 for that matter.... I thought i had read a few days ago he had sold 2,600 in total so far... . I am just guessing but i would say Amazon is the largest book seller

Below says 2,600 july 12...surely he hasnt sold that many more since then.

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/...2957-hunter-down-anthony-up-for-benbella.html

 

[krkrjx]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the abuse story is true. Should that excuse Casey? Should she not suffer consequences because she is so messed up emotionally that none of what she says or does is her fault?

Should all people who were abused as kids be excused when they commit crimes? If so, for how long? All their lives? If they do not want to pay taxes should the IRS be required to let them get away with that? Where should society draw the line with people who are messed up--even if by no fault of their own? It may be a wonderfully warm and sympathetic gesture to approach abuse survivors with kid gloves but is that practical from a societal viewpoint?

No, it is not, because society cannot have people going around doing as they please without fear of consequence!

IMO, if people are excused for their actions because they were not responsible for what happened to them as children, it has to be only in cases where their minds are so messed up that they are not aware of what they are doing. And in such cases, they need extented treatment in an inpatient mental health facility until it is safe for society for them to be out. A killer should not just be able to cry, "poor me" and be free to be out and about doing God-only-knows-what. Because that just puts innocent people at risk, and isn't that how it all started in the first place? What about those people who become victims of the "poor me" individual? Do they then get to go out and do...whatever...without consequences?

I doubt anyone is really going to advocate for that.

So, it matters not what Casey did or did not endure as a child. Casey as an adult is a dangerous person, and society has not only the right but the responsibility to protect its members from dangerous persons.

Casey should have been inpatient at a mental health facility since being released from jail if what Baez has said about her past is true. It seems to me that Casey would want to get well, to be a better person, and would to that end seek help coming to terms with her past so she can move on with her life. With that said, because Casey has done not much of anything but sleep, watch TV, and open her mouth only to eat or to cry, "poor me," my take on the whole molestation story is that it was "dreamed up" in order to help a killer get away with her crime.