Sidebar Discussion #9

[wonders]

If I may.
IMO CFCA has been off probation since 7/18/12. If one thinks about it she started it the day after she was released from jail which would have been 7/18/11. She and her handlers would be screaming foul if she had to do even a mirco second more than the year that was given. I believe this August bologna is to get her out of here before anyone starts in earnest to hunt for her.

IMO we wont hear from CFCA or anyone who knew or knows her until after the civil trials are done and over with. I'm going to include MuzikMan and others like him in this too. It kills me to be patient but it will be so worth it when people can speak freely without the threats hanging over their heads.

 

[peedoffinny]

USA TODAY's Best-Selling Books list ranks the 150 top-selling titles each week based on an analysis of sales from U.S. booksellers. Contributors represent a variety of outlets: bookstore chains, independent bookstores, mass merchandisers and online retailers.
Jose's book:
Best Week #136

Weeks on list - 1

I don't think his book is doing well. According to USA today, his best rating was 136 and was only on the list for 1 week. In comparison, Jeff Ashton's best week was #26 and was on the top 150 for 26 weeks if I'm understanding it correctly.

 

[logicalgirl]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the abuse story is true. Should that excuse Casey? Should she not suffer consequences because she is so messed up emotionally that none of what she says or does is her fault?

Should all people who were abused as kids be excused when they commit crimes? If so, for how long? All their lives? If they do not want to pay taxes should the IRS be required to let them get away with that? Where should society draw the line with people who are messed up--even if by no fault of their own? It may be a wonderfully warm and sympathetic gesture to approach abuse survivors with kid gloves but is that practical from a societal viewpoint?

No, it is not, because society cannot have people going around doing as they please without fear of consequence!

IMO, if people are excused for their actions because they were not responsible for what happened to them as children, it has to be only in cases where their minds are so messed up that they are not aware of what they are doing. And in such cases, they need extented treatment in an inpatient mental health facility until it is safe for society for them to be out. A killer should not just be able to cry, "poor me" and be free to be out and about doing God-only-knows-what. Because that just puts innocent people at risk, and isn't that how it all started in the first place? What about those people who become victims of the "poor me" individual? Do they then get to go out and do...whatever...without consequences?

I doubt anyone is really going to advocate for that.

So, it matters not what Casey did or did not endure as a child. Casey as an adult is a dangerous person, and society has not only the right but the responsibility to protect its members from dangerous persons.

Casey should have been inpatient at a mental health facility since being released from jail if what Baez has said about her past is true. It seems to me that Casey would want to get well, to be a better person, and would to that end seek help coming to terms with her past so she can move on with her life. With that said, because Casey has done not much of anything but sleep, watch TV, and open her mouth only to eat or to cry, "poor me," my take on the whole molestation story is that it was "dreamed up" in order to help a killer get away with her crime.

In the province I live in - our provincial government has an abuse victims fund - and if a person goes to the police and lays a charge of sexual abuse, they will get a lump sum payment from 100K to 200K whether that person is found guilty or not.
Is our system abused? What do you think?

 

[logicalgirl]

I know they were seeking it...and I know we discussed it forever...but not sure if they actually got it. Oh, my tired brain.

I remember that their lawyer - blank - what's his name in the wheelchair kept asking the LE if they needed it because he, the lawyer, was pushing for it. Nejames didn't ask for immunity for them.

 

[logicalgirl]

If I may.
IMO CFCA has been off probation since 7/18/12. If one thinks about it she started it the day after she was released from jail which would have been 7/18/11. She and her handlers would be screaming foul if she had to do even a mirco second more than the year that was given. I believe this August bologna is to get her out of here before anyone starts in earnest to hunt for her.

IMO we wont hear from CFCA or anyone who knew or knows her until after the civil trials are done and over with. I'm going to include MuzikMan and others like him in this too. It kills me to be patient but it will be so worth it when people can speak freely without the threats hanging over their heads.

I guess the question is - did her probation start the day Perry ordered her to report to the probation office as some think, or did it start the day as RH thinks, when she walked out of jail.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I remember that their lawyer - blank - what's his name in the wheelchair kept asking the LE if they needed it because he, the lawyer, was pushing for it. Nejames didn't ask for immunity for them.

Brad Conway

By testifying under subpoena they were granted derivative use immunity. IIRC they asked for transactional immunity.

 

[krkrjx]

In the province I live in - our provincial government has an abuse victims fund - and if a person goes to the police and lays a charge of sexual abuse, they will get a lump sum payment from 100K to 200K whether that person is found guilty or not.
Is our system abused? What do you think?

No doubt some are abusing your system. Any system that can be abused, will be abused.

Some people in prison are true victims of childhood abuse. And no doubt some of those are messed up seriously because of it. But there are many who make such claims when it is convenient to do so to get out of trouble. It is difficult to know the truth in some cases as in many cases of abuse there is little evidence years later, and family often cover for the perp.

I just feel that if what Baez has claimed were true, he and others in charge of Casey since her release would have used their voices to get her some much-needed psychiatric help, instead of covering for her as they have been doing. I mean, if Casey's past has caused her to be the liar that she is, then admit that and get her some help instead of trying to get an appeals court to overturn those convictions.

Finally, if abuse messed Casey up to the point where she just snapped with Caylee that fateful day...admit that, and work with the system to get her into some kind of treatment facility. Casey's camp pointing fingers with no actual evidence to back up their allegations is only reinforcing Casey's right to stay as messed up as they claim she is. It is doing nothing to help her to heal and get to the point where she can lead a decent productive life. Why--if they truly believe her--wouldn't they want that for her?

 

[wonders]

In the province I live in - our provincial government has an abuse victims fund - and if a person goes to the police and lays a charge of sexual abuse, they will get a lump sum payment from 100K to 200K whether that person is found guilty or not.
Is our system abused? What do you think?

:what: Oh my! You should have kept that a secret beings they read here. I can almost see her getting on a plane now to your province. Keep a look out LG.

 

[wonders]

I guess the question is - did her probation start the day Perry ordered her to report to the probation office as some think, or did it start the day as RH thinks, when she walked out of jail.

My guess would be when she walked out of jail because what would the purpose be to sit in jail on probation.
Okay, okay! There was nothing normal about this case so why would I think this would be different?

 

[tsitra01]

or is it because Baez had a reLationship with FCA that went far beyond defending her in court. He was filmed having close physical contact with her when she was released from jail. Contact that I had never seen before by an attorney....also he was warned twice while FCA was in jail for having physical contact with her.
Why else would Baez continue to spew his wild stories to defend one who was responsible for the death of Caylee.......oh yea theres money ALSO Karma will take care of that

IMO

 

[RR0004]

Brad Conway

By testifying under subpoena they were granted derivative use immunity. IIRC they asked for transactional immunity.

Thanks! Oh how could I forget..."use" immunity. lol

 

[RR0004]

If I may.
IMO CFCA has been off probation since 7/18/12. If one thinks about it she started it the day after she was released from jail which would have been 7/18/11. She and her handlers would be screaming foul if she had to do even a mirco second more than the year that was given. I believe this August bologna is to get her out of here before anyone starts in earnest to hunt for her.

IMO we wont hear from CFCA or anyone who knew or knows her until after the civil trials are done and over with. I'm going to include MuzikMan and others like him in this too. It kills me to be patient but it will be so worth it when people can speak freely without the threats hanging over their heads.

Someone's threatening our beloved MM?
Now that really p$sses me off.

 

[Intermezzo]

I am sorry for all you have been through.

BBM. IMO. Even IF George did abuse Casey, she will never be believed.

It is just too easy to not believe her. She has zero credibility and at the end of the day, that is all we have. And this credibility problem is her own fault. Casey brings "lying" to a whole new level.

JMO

What we are forgetting is that prior to July 16 2008 OCA was not known as a Liar, a few people close to her realized she exaggerated but no one knew the extent of her lies so she did have credibility

LE did not know she was a Liar, the State Attorneys office did not know she was a liar.
If she made any attempt to complain (LE, school counselor, teacher, Principal, friend or a friends parents...anyone she felt comfortable with) about the abuse by Lee and George IMO she would have been believed...

But regardless IF the abuse is true or not...IMO OCA is solely responsible for the death of her daughter.

O/T but a personal experience with false accusations of sexual abuse
A few years ago my best friends daughter accused her step-father of molesting her...it was reported it to local Orlando authorities and she was pulled out of the house in the blink of an eye and the investigation began....She was ultimately allowed to go back home but the father had to move out.
What was the result? She LIED. Why? She was getting back at him because he wouldn't let her have her way like her mother did.

 

[Intermezzo]

I remember that their lawyer - blank - what's his name in the wheelchair kept asking the LE if they needed it because he, the lawyer, was pushing for it. Nejames didn't ask for immunity for them.

Brad Conway

 

[ZsaZsa]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the abuse story is true. Should that excuse Casey? Should she not suffer consequences because she is so messed up emotionally that none of what she says or does is her fault?

Should all people who were abused as kids be excused when they commit crimes? If so, for how long? All their lives? If they do not want to pay taxes should the IRS be required to let them get away with that? Where should society draw the line with people who are messed up--even if by no fault of their own? It may be a wonderfully warm and sympathetic gesture to approach abuse survivors with kid gloves but is that practical from a societal viewpoint?

No, it is not, because society cannot have people going around doing as they please without fear of consequence!

IMO, if people are excused for their actions because they were not responsible for what happened to them as children, it has to be only in cases where their minds are so messed up that they are not aware of what they are doing. And in such cases, they need extented treatment in an inpatient mental health facility until it is safe for society for them to be out. A killer should not just be able to cry, "poor me" and be free to be out and about doing God-only-knows-what. Because that just puts innocent people at risk, and isn't that how it all started in the first place? What about those people who become victims of the "poor me" individual? Do they then get to go out and do...whatever...without consequences?

I doubt anyone is really going to advocate for that.

So, it matters not what Casey did or did not endure as a child. Casey as an adult is a dangerous person, and society has not only the right but the responsibility to protect its members from dangerous persons.

Casey should have been inpatient at a mental health facility since being released from jail if what Baez has said about her past is true. It seems to me that Casey would want to get well, to be a better person, and would to that end seek help coming to terms with her past so she can move on with her life. With that said, because Casey has done not much of anything but sleep, watch TV, and open her mouth only to eat or to cry, "poor me," my take on the whole molestation story is that it was "dreamed up" in order to help a killer get away with her crime.

I'll take wild guess here. She knows she doesn't need counseling because the abuse never happened. Baez likewise...

 

[SleuthTheTruth]

I still find it amazing that most can't even consider that GA may have molested Casey. From the moment the media reported this tragic event, and after seeing Casey on the news - The first thing I said was WOW, This girl is a molestation victim. Long before anything of the sort was even remotely mentioned. I guess I just seen myself (to an extent) in her somehow. But what truly throws me is how no one wants to even consider that it may be true. I mean, you seriously didn't think he would admit it do you? (not to anyone in particular) So since he said No it didn't happen that's the end of it? Since, Casey lies that's the end of it? The truth of the matter is that NO ONE but Casey and George know the truth. NO ONE. And for ANYONE to say that he did not, you know not what you speak of. And certainly don't know anything about child sexual abuse. When I FINALLY told my mom she said "He must have been having a seizure." LOL. Well if that was the case he was having a seizure every day for 5 years lol. Anyway, that was her way of denial and dealing. Just because the perp doesn't admit it or no one else knows, or no report, doesn't mean squat. All just my two cents. IMO.

The #1 reason I do not believe George molested the Felon is:
George begged her to talk to LE and FBI. It’s on tape while the Felon was in jail. If he was a pedophile, why would he want her to talk to them and take the chance she would tell on him? The reason why she did not is “it NEVER happened.” George is not a molester; he is only a weak man that loved his daughter and granddaughter.

Casey is not a victim of anything or anyone except her own actions and lies. NO one has molested Casey except Casey herself, and that molestation is only in her mind. AJMO

 

[bayouland]

Hmmm - the only person I recall having immunity was LA because his lawyer Luca asked for it when the LE wanted to talk to him about the infamous "blue screen"
Do you remember any docs I can look at that confirm GA and CA had immunity?:waitasec:
Thanks in advance...:seeya:

Please reread the message I replied to. The conversation was about Lee Anthony, not Cindy and George.

Thanks!

 

[SleuthTheTruth]

I wonder why most of these 5 star reviewers always have to mention the book having 400 pages? I guess Jeff Ashton's book must have had less so Bozo's is way better than his.

Send a message back saying: Exactly, 400 pages of “New Lies” by Jose and his Felon. AJMO

 

[miss plum]

Whatever did or did not happen to FCA (and I can't believe a word she or her advocates say) pales in comparison to what definitely happened to Caylee, the actual victim in this case. If FCA sincerely wants to press charges and have her own day in court, she should go to town, that is her legal right. But the derailment of the case pertaining to Caylee being suddenly dead at age 2 is despicable. And all the nonsense we heard, the pseudo-Freudian rubbish about amnesia and seizures and memory flahbacks and Caseyland belong in some C-grade low budget psychological thriller from the 1940's, not in a 2011 courtroom.

We all saw the facial expressions of FCA and JB when they got into that car after she was released. It was pure triumph that they had pulled off one of the biggest courtroom hustles of all time. And minutes later they were laughing about Zanny. LOL, they said. LOL LOL LOL.

 

[okiedokietoo]

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/files/casey_anthony_documents04.pdf
Taped Transcript of Ryan Pasley - July 30th 2008 by Corporal Yuri Melich
Page 14, Line 21
RP: No, I found, I found this out uhm, about a month, no, not, uh, three months, maybe three, three and a half weeks before Caylee went missing. Her Mom, Cindy...
YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)
Page 15, Line 1
RP:...called me and told me not to talk to Casey because she didn't want me to get hurt because she's been lying about a lot of stuff, and put her in, stole money from her and her grandmother. And she doesn't want me to get hurt, you know. Which I, you know, I was, I said, "Okay. You know. I understand." And she, you know, she seemed really upset. She was just calling me to tell me all, what was going on and, and also to ask about some lies that she had suspected Casey of telling.
YM: Oh.
RP: Uhm, so she actually phys...she just called me. Her mom called me uhm, you know, uh, in my summer semester, at one of my classes. I remember the specific time and what I was doing. And she basically told me, "I don't, I don't think it's a good idea that you even talk to Casey anymore because she's a, "uh, the actually, those are the exact words that came out of her mouth was that she was a sociopath.

bbm