Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #14

[Fairy1]

I don't think Moraq was being derogatory. I think the crux of what he/she was saying is that IF OSBI did make up the POI in an effort to make the real perps feel too comfortable so they would make a mistake...the artist could have come up with a NA sketch because he related to it is all. I think you might be making a big thing out of nothing.

At this point, since I find it difficult to believe in anything they have told us...I can't say it would surprise me. Being misled has left a very sour taste in my mouth and even tho it was only last week that I was defending them...I can't anymore. So do I think they would do it? After Monday...Anything is possible.

I don't think he/she was being derogatory either - but if OSBI was going to make up an imaginary POI - they would not have had to say they were NA. I don't think they did make him up at all. I understand the frustration with the information LE is making public. But I do believe they are doing what they feel is right. We do not know what they know and they (I hope!) are taking the avenue they believe will take them to the killer(s). IMO

 

[Busylady]

I cannot help but wonder if part of the misinformation LE provided in the beginning is because the people at the scene were not truthful (hate to say it but thats what I feel right now).

Once they had time to research and interview everyone, they figured out no it wasnt one of the girls cell phones used to make the 911 call, time line not adding up, who was at the scene and when, who made the 911 call, etc. Due to the ongoing investigation, they did not inform the media and clarify the misinformation given, just let the family keep giving interviews and talking.

I was so upset about this yesterday after hearing the 911 call. I was ranting and raving to my husband about it, he pointed out if LE came out everytime to correct information after the investigation phase had begun, corrected family members statements they had given in interviews etc alot of cases would never be solved. One of the first things LE probably does is listen and disect the interviews family members give, and figure out what doesnt match and go from there. If they went public with those corrections LE would lose alot of valuable investigative tool, because family members would stop talking.

While it is easier for me to sit back and say LE isnt doing their job, they have mislead us, I can't put the total blame on them. I hate to say it but in my opinion some of the family members have mislead the public, which has to make me wonder why?

 

[frogjustfrog]

I am still not convinced these are totally accurate. Not that you didn't put them where he motioned, but that he did it so generally. I still don't believe the girls were face down either. It would have been impossible to put all the shots in the front (as they claim they were) with the girls having been face down. This would have required them being moved after the fact and I don't think that happened.

Unless, like my husband mentioned about what murders do when they know the victim, and cover their faces. Maybe he moved them over with his foot and shot them in the head for the final shot?
It sickens me to think this, but I could see it happening. just another possibility and another possible opinion. Just wish we could get a few facts. I still wonder if the first LE messed up the crime scene and weren't completely honest with OSBI. I am glad they have FBI in on it finally. I hope it isnt too late. As my husband says. Just give it to God. And try to rest. That isnt easy for me these days. But I am trying.
I said my prayer tonite, but I was an hour off. I read the clock wrong.

 

[Fairy1]

I cannot help but wonder if part of the misinformation LE provided in the beginning is because the people at the scene were not truthful (hate to say it but thats what I feel right now).

Once they had time to research and interview everyone, they figured out no it wasnt one of the girls cell phones used to make the 911 call, time line not adding up, who was at the scene and when, who made the 911 call, etc. Due to the ongoing investigation, they did not inform the media and clarify the misinformation given, just let the family keep giving interviews and talking.

I was so upset about this yesterday after hearing the 911 call. I was ranting and raving to my husband about it, he pointed out if LE came out everytime to correct information after the investigation phase had begun, corrected family members statements they had given in interviews etc alot of cases would never be solved. One of the first things LE probably does is listen and disect the interviews family members give, and figure out what doesnt match and go from there. If they went public with those corrections LE would lose alot of valuable investigative tool, because family members would stop talking.

While it is easier for me to sit back and say LE isnt doing their job, they have mislead us, I can't put the total blame on them. I hate to say it but in my opinion some of the family members have mislead the public, which has to make me wonder why?

Wow! By nature, I'm generally a very cynical person. But I guess I don't understand the cynicism here at all! Regardless of where you live, do you honestly believe that if 2 young girls were brutally gunned down in cold blood, in broad daylight, that there would not be outrage all around??? Do you believce that any LE agencies - with the national spotlight on them and the case - would knowingly mislead the public? I guess I just don't see it. I don't consider myself naive (SS), but I cannot believe this is a conspirisy. IMO

 

[frogjustfrog]

I know that some don't appreciate me talking about God, and prayer, and faith, and the word, on this forum. So do you think we could make a thread for that?

 

[Fairy1]

Unless, like my husband mentioned about what murders do when they know the victim, and cover their faces. Maybe he moved them over with his foot and shot them in the head for the final shot?
It sickens me to think this, but I could see it happening. just another possibility and another possible opinion. Just wish we could get a few facts. I still wonder if the first LE messed up the crime scene and weren't completely honest with OSBI. I am glad they have FBI in on it finally. I hope it isnt too late. As my husband says. Just give it to God. And try to rest. That isnt easy for me these days. But I am trying.
I said my prayer tonite, but I was an hour off. I read the clock wrong.

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: I really don't think God cares what time you pray - just as long as you do!

 

[Fairy1]

I know that some don't appreciate me talking about God, and prayer, and faith, and the word, on this forum. So do you think we could make a thread for that?

I am not a religious person AT ALL. However, I do think that anyone who spends any time on these boards would welcome the presence of a higher power. It's just hard to believe when we see what we see here......IMO

 

[Busylady]

I am confused? Nothing in my post said LE was misleading anyone or any conspiracy? I actually was saying I can't put the blame on LE? Help me out here with regards to understanding your response to me.

Wow! By nature, I'm generally a very cynical person. But I guess I don't understand the cynicism here at all! Regardless of where you live, do you honestly believe that if 2 young girls were brutally gunned down in cold blood, in broad daylight, that there would not be outrage all around??? Do you believce that any LE agencies - with the national spotlight on them and the case - would knowingly mislead the public? I guess I just don't see it. I don't consider myself naive (SS), but I cannot believe this is a conspirisy. IMO

 

[frogjustfrog]

I am not a religious person AT ALL. However, I do think that anyone who spends any time on these boards would welcome the presence of a higher power. It's just hard to believe when we see what we see here......IMO

I have met a number of brothers and sisters in Christ in this forum. But it obviously offends some. Seems like everyone can say what they please, but they cant say what they are taught about the Word of God without criticizm. So. I would just like a thread. Kinda like a chapel, that we who believe, can join together in. And those who would rather not be involved, dont have to join us.

SS... can you help me to know how to do this? I can read about it tomorrow, I am sure, but I just want to know that it is ok.

 

[Busylady]

Im not sure if you know already, but there is a prayer thread in the Jury room section of this board. It might provide you alot of comfort if you want to check it out.

I have met a number of brothers and sisters in Christ in this forum. But it obviously offends some. Seems like everyone can say what they please, but they cant say what they are taught about the Word of God without criticizm. So. I would just like a thread. Kinda like a chapel, that we who believe, can join together in. And those who would rather not be involved, dont have to join us.

SS... can you help me to know how to do this? I can read about it tomorrow, I am sure, but I just want to know that it is ok.

 

[frogjustfrog]

Im not sure if you know already, but there is a prayer thread in the Jury room section of this board. It might provide you alot of comfort if you want to check it out.

Oh thank you, busylady. Thank you so much for that information. I will definately visit there, and probably frequently, God has been so good to me!
Muah!:blowkiss:

 

[FlowerChild]

I am still not convinced these are totally accurate. Not that you didn't put them where he motioned, but that he did it so generally. I still don't believe the girls were face down either. It would have been impossible to put all the shots in the front (as they claim they were) with the girls having been face down. This would have required them being moved after the fact and I don't think that happened.

I didn't show the bodies face up or face down, just symbols - since we don't know.

I believe the girls could have been shot in the face and chest and fallen face down. From what I can see both girls were standing on a gradual downward slope toward the roadway - and the shots came from that direction so they must have been facing the road (and the shooter) on ground with a gradual slope forward. People who are shot, don't fall immediately - the natural physical response to being shot (from the front or the back) is to take maybe a step or two forward, stop in shock and then grasp your hands over your chest or face/head and bend forward at the waist defensively. That position weights the body even more to the front than it is naturally. People who "crumple" from the knees or waist usually fall face down because the human neck is designed to drop the head forward to the chest and the waist only bends one way, forcing the body forward onto it's face, not backward onto it's back.

What is shown on TV with people falling and dying on their backs, is not realistic. Reality is that humans who are shot in the chest instinctively bend at the waist to protect the chest and present a smaller target, then their knees collapse, propelling the body down to a kneeling position (where shots to the front of the body can continue) and finally the now heavily front weighted body leans forward at the waist and falls face down, due to the now unsupported weight of the head collapsed to the chest pulling them forward. The girls could have been shot several times in the chest and face and neck while still upright (the shots reportedly came fast) and still fallen face down. Then the gunman/men COULD (we don't know that he did) have approached the bodies and delivered a kill shot or two to the top of the head from a standing position, or if he knelt down or bent over, a kill shot or two under the chin. The girls would remain as they fell, face down and the gunman would never have to touch the body.

Unless the 1st shots were made at very close range, by a very powerful weapon that would literally propel the body backward onto it's butt (and eventually falling backward from a sitting position face up) due to the force of the shot, OR the ground was sloped significantly downward behind each girl, it is likely that the information released in the 1st few days is correct, and the girls were both face down, heads toward the road. And Rosser was very clear that the girls heads were toward the road. To fall on their backs with their heads toward the road, they would literally have had to spin around with their BACKS to the shooter positioned in the road (where the bullet casing were found) before they fell - and no wounds to the back were reported by the ME...chest and face/head only.

If they didn't fall that way, if anyone moved the bodies onto their backs it would have probably have been Peter Placker, not the killer. While the killer(s) could have, it wouldn't make any sense for the killer(s) to turn the girls face up (or touch the bodies at all). I mean I hope the killer(s) were that stupid and left their DNA all over the girls, but I am not counting on that.

My Opinion

 

[RoseRed]

I don't know what other kids are around the Plackers?

I am not sure how many of the Placker's live in Weleetka but we saw photos on Linda Kay Plackers My Space. The brother or both brothers have younger children than Taylor. Wasn't there two boys and maybe a girl. I have forgotten how many but I remember at least two little boys. Do these brothers or at least one brother live in Weleetka?

 

[frogjustfrog]

Personally I dont know. Have you checked the other threads to this case> The Obits may be there.

 

[frogjustfrog]

I just wish I could sleep!

 

[frogjustfrog]

goodnight.

 

[RoseRed]

I am part Cherokee and I would be offended if this occured and I don't want anyone to be misinformd that this is even a possibility.

My Opinion

I am probably less than 1/8 NA but I would also be offended if this happened. I know I am actually considered Caucasian but it would still offend me because I have that little bity part NA and the history/memories passed down from my grandmother.
JMHO

 

[RoseRed]

I hate to say it but in my opinion some of the family members have mislead the public, which has to make me wonder why?

I don't believe family members mislead on purpose. I think they are still trying to get their nerves settled down and come to grips with what happened that afternoon. Have you ever had a rather severe auto accident and days later you remember something you had entirely forgotten about it. Only what these families went though was about 100 times worse than auto accident. I can't see saying not truthful when they were in Shock and probably still are. JMO

 

[RoseRed]

I have met a number of brothers and sisters in Christ in this forum. But it obviously offends some. Seems like everyone can say what they please, but they cant say what they are taught about the Word of God without criticizm. So. I would just like a thread. Kinda like a chapel, that we who believe, can join together in. And those who would rather not be involved, dont have to join us.

SS... can you help me to know how to do this? I can read about it tomorrow, I am sure, but I just want to know that it is ok.

Just expect other religions to come in and converse with you and don't go to the HFTM forums and not expect reticule on their religion forum.

 

[RoseRed]

Well I guess I am alone so night all. Maybe there will be better news tomorrow.