Skyline Groundskeeper says he saw no white truck -Timeline Clarified

[Littleone48]

There are a couple of things I would like to point out:
1) If, indeed, TH was familiar with Mr. Stenson's (sp?) routine, she may have felt very comfortable in accessing that road at whatever time she may have done so.
2) His leaving at 8:45 would jive perfectly with her two statements of waving goodbye to Kyron at 8:45 and leaving the school at 9:00. He was gone from the access road, Terri could have pulled the truck up to the gate and met Kyron there (pre-arranged), or an accomplice could have left with Kyron through the side exit and met her at the gate.

My problem with this is that everything had to go as planned or she would have been caught. That is why I am on the fence. No matter how many times I put the time line together it just doesn't work.

We know that Kyron was at the school that morning. We know that Terri was elsewhere at 9:12am. We can also assume that Kyron was not with her or not seen because of the PC yesterday. That leaves a very short time period that Terri could've done this.

I think the timeline is from 9am to when he was noticed not to be with the group. What better time for a perp to take him? Kids were getting into groups, parents were leaving or had already left, the halls were probably quiet and that darn comment that Kryon was "probably" getting a drink or in the bathroom really bothers me.

I am getting a sinking feeling that because of tunnel vision, Kryon may never be found. I pray that isn't the case.

 

[pdx]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
“It seemed like just a pretty normal day,” he said. “It was kind of damp and wet. It had been wet for a while and the fields were hard to mow. (I) noticed that there was some children that came out the back door, and I thought, ‘please don’t come down and play soccer.’ But they came out and looked at some plants that were in the raised bed.”

This photo shows the NW corner of the 2nd story of the building, which is where K's classroom is? There is a back door there. Below to the right is the soccer field. Looking directly ahead, there are raised planter boxes, all along the walk, which is right outside the classrooms.

 

[Calliope]

I can only imagine Houze sitting back with a smile thinking mmuuuuuaaaahahahahahaa!

Where in the H E double hockey sticks is this little boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the info about her allegedly parking on the access road came from the first set of questionnaires, then he's going to chew up the DA on those.

 

[Nana46]

I have not watched the video of the mower fellow.....when the guys who are hired to mow our school area come to mow, there are about 4 of them on those zero turn mowers.....the owner usually mows most of the front himself and the other guys do the sides and the backs.....I doubt if any of them on any given day could tell you anything different at the school regarding parking, etc. unless it interfered with their mowing....of course we have no "access" area they simply pull in and park on the side of the drive, unload and put the pedal to the metal and I mean that literally.....they mow for all it is worth and in a crude way of saying it they "get 'er done", lol....no grass grows under their feet, pardon the pun. IMO



ETA: There are usually folks going from the back of the school to the field house for practice on some of those days...not everyday....people taking out garbage, people coming and going,etc.

 

[cypress]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
“It seemed like just a pretty normal day,” he said. “It was kind of damp and wet. It had been wet for a while and the fields were hard to mow. (I) noticed that there was some children that came out the back door, and I thought, ‘please don’t come down and play soccer.’ But they came out and looked at some plants that were in the raised bed.”

This photo shows the NW corner of the 2nd story of the building, which is where K's classroom is? There is a back door there. Below to the right is the soccer field. Looking directly ahead, there are raised planter boxes, all along the walk, which is right outside the classrooms.

Your post just made my heart clench in an awful way.

 

[MBLover]

Respectfully snipped:

that darn comment that Kryon was "probably" getting a drink or in the bathroom really bothers me.

And this is the one piece that still sticks with me too.

If the teacher made that comment and thought Kyron was in the restroom or getting a drink of water -

Then she saw him, knew he was there, and had NO reason to believe he had left.

 

[Calliope]

Posting before reading all of the replies:

I used to mow the grounds for a large corporation on a large mowing tractor. I would completely zone out. It's hypnotic. The drone of the mower, the vibrations, the wind, the carbon monoxide. I would completely lose track of what I was doing. Kind of like when you are on a long road trip and you realize you just drove 10 miles and have no recollection of it.

And I'm saying this as a fence sitter. :crazy:

I hope someone mowing on an elementary school grounds doesn't ever zone out. That he noticed the kids tells me he was aware of what was going on around him.

 

[Amster]

Maybe Terri says she parked on the access road?

 

[Ada]

I hope someone mowing on an elementary school grounds doesn't ever zone out. That he noticed the kids tells me he was aware of what was going on around him.

Well you can't always help it. I remember 'snapping out of it' when I ran smack into a tree.

 

[rosiebean]

I think his presence dispels any chance Terri's truck was on that access road. After seeing his set up, if he mowed until 8:30, it probably ate up the remaining 15 minutes cleaning up, packing up, putting mower back on trailer and getting out of the area. And then again, I don't think someone up to no good would have chanced moving up there knowing work was being done in that area of the school.

That's too much assumption for me to take, personally. When I cut grass growing up on my family's hobby farm, when I estimated time for my dad, I included the set up time in my 'mowing grass' timeline. Meaning, if it took me ten minutes to get the tractor gassed up and started and out to the field and fifteen minutes to get it back to our barn and cleaned off and the actual cutting grass part took two hours...I told my dad that I was cutting grass for two hours and thirty minutes. Until the groundskeeper expands his timeline (I did not see the truck up until 9 that morning), I see no reason to think that he means anything other than he did not see the truck between 7:45 and 8:30.

 

[Etilema]

I hope someone mowing on an elementary school grounds doesn't ever zone out. That he noticed the kids tells me he was aware of what was going on around him.

Well, then his attention was in the immediate area, where he was mowing, where kids were moving around, not off to the access road in front of the school. JMO

 

[Calliope]

Well, at least we know how some of that still huge, even if grossly overstated retainer, is being spent lol....JUST kidding (sorta).

If LE did not know about this guy before today (well before today -- like from day 1 or at least the first week), I may make my first climb onto the fence ever. Although if I were on a jury I couldn't convict her based on what *we* know, I've always been fairly confident in the investigation and that LE knows WAY more than we know.

Surely it wouldn't be great leap to find out if there were maint. types on campus that day -- especially for the specific purpose of mowing the entire soccer field. That's true, I think, even assuming one (or many) people didn't see him. Plus, even if LE didn't think of it immediately on their own, you would also think that the trained searchers that were there right in the beginning would have noticed that the entire soccer field had just been mowed and mention it to someone.

Once someone thought of asking, it would be super easy to track this guy down and find out for sure if/when he was there -- this guy is a gov't employee. And then, if it turns out that none of those employees were supposed to be at Skyline that day, you've got a fairly short list of very suspicious persons, imo.

I hope LE has known about this guy all along, and it's his testimony that they wanted to corroborate -- i.e., that the vehicle the *other* witness claims to have seen in two locations along the access road, was NOT th's truck, but this guy's truck. And I hope that's what they were trying to do b/c they believe they know where th's truck actually was/or wasn't and don't want any conflicting testimony. Although one would think that his vehicle (assuming it was a gov't vehicle he was in) would have conspicuous markings that an eye-witness would notice.

whew...anyway, like I said, if LE didn't know about this guy 'til know, I do believe I'll be on the fence and that there's something entirely different going on between TH and DDS. jmoo

If LE didn't get the city of Portland and the PPS to give them a list of every employee and contract worker present on that day ... well ...

If all this in the end clears Terri, then someone out there has a hell of a head start.

 

[Etilema]

That's too much assumption for me to take, personally. When I cut grass growing up on my family's hobby farm, when I estimated time for my dad, I included the set up time in my 'mowing grass' timeline. Meaning, if it took me ten minutes to get the tractor gassed up and started and out to the field and fifteen minutes to get it back to our barn and cleaned off and the actual cutting grass part took two hours...I told my dad that I was cutting grass for two hours and thirty minutes. Until the groundskeeper expands his timeline (I did not see the truck up until 9 that morning), I see no reason to think that he means anything other than he did not see the truck between 7:45 and 8:30.

I agree. I took the 7:45-8:30 window to mean his total time there. JMO

 

[sofia76]

Questions about the kids coming out to look at the planters - how old were they? And were the raised beds someone's science project?

Also, all this news story says is that this landscaper didn't see anyone up till 8:30. After that ... ? And who is this "witness" that said Terri's truck or a truck like it was on the access road? A student? Teacher? Terri herself?

 

[pdx]

Your post just made my heart clench in an awful way.

aww, why?

My interpretation of what I've seen (I walked along that walkway) is that any kids who were out there were not necessarily out of sight of an adult, and were not exposed to the street or street level in any way. That's the most inside corner of the building.

I thumbed-up Ruby Red's pull quote from the article because I don't think this story cancels out the LE proposed timeline/location story at all. The mower man pulled all the way up onto the field level (raised above street level but below school building level) and did his thing. While he was zoned out mowing, a child could exit the building several ways and cross the front yard. There are stairs down to the access road/soccer field level. White truck leaves, and mower guy never saw anything (say he's at the other end of the field, back turned etc)

One take on it (aka MOO).

 

[Calliope]

Definately a possibility, and he could be the person seen in or around the truck.

From experience, when a light colored cloudy sky reflects off of a silver vehicle it can look white or whitish. White enough for someone to glance and see it and "remember" it as white. From the looks of the mirrors in the picture he is in one of those large trucks similar to KH's. I wonder if it is silver or even white.

In the video, he's driving a white F250, not an extended cab tho'.

The trailer and mower are pretty drab in color. He was parked twice on that spot LE pictured the horman's truck. Someone looking from the parking lot or going by on Skyline would certainly have notice the bright white truck ... but not necessarily the trailer / mower as it kinda blends into the background. I think this is quite possible especially if this came from one of the questionnaires filled out some time after that day. Pictures of white truck ... people remember the truck, because they're supposed to remember the truck.

 

[Nana46]

aww, why?

My interpretation of what I've seen (I walked along that walkway) is that any kids who were out there were not necessarily out of sight of an adult, and were not exposed to the street or street level in any way. That's the most inside corner of the building.

I thumbed-up Ruby Red's pull quote from the article because I don't think this story cancels out the LE proposed timeline/location story at all. The mower man pulled all the way up onto the field level (raised above street level but below school building level) and did his thing. While he was zoned out mowing, a child could exit the building several ways and cross the front yard. There are stairs down to the access road/soccer field level. White truck leaves, and mower guy never saw anything (say he's at the other end of the field, back turned etc)

One take on it (aka MOO).

Great post! And why would he think anything of it if he saw a woman and child leaving....would he not naturally think mother and child leaving for some reason? Why oh why would that draw his attention from mowing or from anything???? I am soooooooooo confused,lol

 

[liz b.]

on an ordinary day would a group large enough to look like they were heading out to play soccer be doing so prior to 8:30 in the morning?

Theres a lot to say in a person initial reaction to a situation.

The worker said :
" I noticed that there was (sic) some children that came out the back door " he then goes on to be concerned that they are not going to be playing on the soccer field, ( presumably because he's mowing it ). So, he doesn't seem to indicate that a group large enough to play a soccer match came out ; just that some kids came out through the back door.

Since he's not part of the Skyline community,why wouldn't he consider it to be an ordinary day ? He probably knew nothing about the Science Fair,or the school's routine. He worked for the city of Portland,no ?

All JMO

 

[LaceSprocket]

I don't see how this changes anything - it only narrows it down to 15 minutes. And 15 minutes is plenty of time to carry-out something that was well-planned in advance.

Stensen said he used the access road to get his truck and mowing equipment up to the soccer field like he always does.

He said he cut the grass on the soccer field between 7:45 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. the morning of June 4 and never saw the Hormans’ truck on the road.

Based on the investigators’ timeline, and if Stensen’s times are accurate, the window for the white truck to be on the access road narrows to the 15 minutes between 8:30 a.m. and 8:45 a.m.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

Just re-quoting this because it's worth repeating. Multiple times.

 

[mauirain]

In the video, he's driving a white F250, not an extended cab tho'.

The trailer and mower are pretty drab in color. He was parked twice on that spot LE pictured the horman's truck. Someone looking from the parking lot or going by on Skyline would certainly have notice the bright white truck ... but not necessarily the trailer / mower as it kinda blends into the background. I think this is quite possible especially if this came from one of the questionnaires filled out some time after that day. Pictures of white truck ... people remember the truck, because they're supposed to remember the truck.

Calliope, do you have a link to the video....I only read the article. TY