SM as a potential focus of the investigation

[Wrinkles]

Greetings S_Finch,

Evening to you and what a lovely notice to have you write:
>>OK Wrinkles, I see your hand is up, what would you like to share today? <<

I really love it when WS'rs recognize other WS'rs, i.e. when there is an atmosphere of "discuss and brainstorm," "meet and greet," and "give recognition when someone really tosses a great one out there!" (I've seen some really brilliant posts in this place!) On top of that I think it is just beautifully powerful when we "touch" those meeting in this big room -- for whatever reason (like seeing my hand up So thank you for doing that I've not had the pleasure to really bump shoulders with you much through the years -- I will look forward to that

I was responding to dear Kimster saying this...
>>back to the topic at hand - why is th a potential focus in this investigation? What have you observed from the information released in the media? What have you observed in the pictures?<<

First I will admit that I am walking a bit on eggshells, as when I think of TOS, I often cannot see how I might be slipping out of line and don't want to do that...but am also sometimes a bit of a wee rebel (as in "huh what, why can't we discuss that? Fact is, sometimes I just don't rationally understand so it doesn't stick with me.)

So...why would the step mother be a potential focus:
1. we know stats on missing persons, often (large %) someone related
2. just the name "step" comes into play (though I loved my step father beyond words, he was my hero in life)
3. we have now had word of something that has puzzled me for days... Why were we told Kyron had been seen at 9 (after SM at 8:45) but no identity of that 9AM person was given... Now we are hearing SM was the last to see him "alive?" How odd is that.

Long ago I posed the question... Why protect the identity of someone that supposedly saw Kyron after SM left (at 9AM)? Is that person now thought to be at risk OR was that "so-called viewing at 9AM" a bait to try to get a possible SM perp (we DO NOT have word of this THERE IS NO POI) to try and relax and stumble herself.

I "cannot" move one way or another with SM. I must say that my heart does NOT want her responsible in this. I don't have enough "fact" to sway, yet I cannot forget overall fact in cases AND some other things... Were there conflicts in what she said on "day missing?" Were there pings at Sauvie Island? I don't have enough fact to really move against her BUT AND BUT...

Of course there is NO SCRIPT for how we act in tragedy... I can guarantee that I have had my share and if I had been under a microscope people could have eaten me up. I do not like seeing people beaten to shreds in here, like because they are "in the picture" they deserve what I consider to have seen as a type of low class chicken pecking order feed (yes, I had chickens and studied their behaviors!) All I can say is that I have been "observing" and my "often wrong" antennae have gone up...

So I will move to:
>>What have you observed in the pictures?<<

I am not feeling secure with body language with SM... I wish I couldn't say that, and I could surely be wrong, but I am discomforted (thank God I am not in a position of innocence and being scrutinized for my actions -- I don't know who is or is not innocent or guilty here yet, not enough real info but oh man are the lights blinking all over like a confusing light show.)

I have been "uncomfortable" with certain things since the early days...and I have ABSOLUTELY been wrong in life on many occasions. In the early discussions of this case, I could not understand SM's "public" FB punctuations with " " Of course, I have to go by my own experience. On day one of a step child (beloved) or a step child (maybe under my skin and problematic) missing, I "might have" been able to halfway muster a " " if I thought about the child's explorations or independence AND if I felt quite comfortable that they would soon be found. On day 2 or 3, I do not think that there could have been a thing in the world that could have gotten me to post a " " There is no way that I could do anything even somewhat normal, like commenting on "poking" in FB being "addicting." I could not consider "clean sheets" which were mentioned (publicly mods, PUBLICLY). All would have become pure vanity to me aside from being torn to shreds by the possibility of a little 7 year old who had been in my keep not being in my loving arms... I might have done stupid things to entertain and recreate, like playing Pac Man or some other assonine game in the privacy of my home, but I could NOT imagine a " " anywhere in public, not even as a "brave face" or even a "faithful face." Pure fear, torture for my child, my keep would have ripped me to shreds.

I think I have hit on the above cylinders (potential focus, released in media, pictures)... there is more (confused, as I look at all of this but NOT with enough info, gut is NOT enough)...but this has been LONG which my buddies in here no me for <--- yes that is a smile about my knowing my long winded self, but there is NOTHING in me smiling about my darling Kyron, our darling Kyron, son of the family of man, missing, and one of "our precious children."

Nuff said

 

[MD MOMMY]

Because frankly, and no offense to anyone intended here.....she does that and people will be on her like stink on a monkey analyzing her every eyelash. She's in a no-win situation right now. Better to be damned over speculation of what you're NOT doing, than being damned for what you're not doing in front of people who have a million expectations of what you should do and someone's got a check list to make sure they can point out later how many things you didn't hit on.

See, I wouldn't be doing it to impress anyone else. I would be doing it in hopes the abductor would see it and bring my baby back. Whether or not it would work wouldn't be on my mind. The fact that I tried and did everything I could do to get my baby back would. I would be searching and I wouldn't give a d*mn what people thought of me as they weren't my intended audience to begin with.

 

[Kimster]

I'm sure this has been mentioned and I may have even read it already, but in the first appearance that the family made, I thought TM looked too relaxed. Kyron's mom looked the way I would, devastated and scared. TM didn't fit the picture at all in my mind. That was when I began to think Kyron wasn't coming home right away.

 

[debs]

See, I wouldn't be doing it to impress anyone else. I would be doing it in hopes the abductor would see it and bring my baby back. Whether or not it would work wouldn't be on my mind. The fact that I tried and did everything I could do to get my baby back would. I would be searching and I wouldn't give a d*mn what people thought of me as they weren't my intended audience to begin with.

except one doesn't attempt to clear oneself if one's goal is to find their baby, and that's what you stated you wondered about. She's not screaming for her child, and by that, it is suspicious.

I wonder.......are the other three parents involved held to this standard, then?

 

[cluciano63]

If it ok to say it, I totally agree about the use of the on the FB account at any point after that first day. I saw it and was astonished. Being polite, thanking a friend, okay, but a smiley face and "poking"? (Which I had to google).

And I do agree about being out front on TV, etc. not caring what anyone thought of me. That would take care of itself later or it wouldn't, but I wouldn't be thinking about that, if I knew I was innocent. I have to think LE was a bit flabbergasted to have a family NOT begging to go on TV and they eventually felt forced to make excuses for them. We all know it does not do much good in the long run, but it seems to me it would be a natural instinct and I don't even have children. I would not care if I showered or brushed my hair and would be in the same clothes still. And the clean sheets, if we can say it-when I saw that, all I could think was-you can write that when you have no idea how or where Kyron is sleeping tonight? Or if he is alive? How can you, as his Mom, be happy to be sleeping in clean sheets? OK, sorry, rambling now...

 

[Wrinkles]

... I am getting a migraine and I hardly ever do anymore. I don't know what to think about this case, it almost doesn't seem real to me. It sometimes feels as though we are discussing some bizarre movie plot that would never work because no one would believe it. I guess it could still have many more twists and turns in store that we have not even thought of.

Cluciano, wanted to give you a hug... Can I embrace you as a buddy here and say I ache alongside you for this dear child (as so many of us are aching in here)? I only wish this were a bad dream and a bad plot. I cannot bare to think of the unrelenting pain of those who have touched, nurtured and loved this child physically and in every other way, and who had nothing to do with his disappearance are feeling. We feel this as a member of the larger family, what are these poor people experiencing -- I ache for them.

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

I am so sad that we have not found Kyron yet, bless his little heart. I posted a comment in one of the threads that had still shots of the presser the family attended. I found Kyron's mom and stepdad to be very consuling of each other, she seemed utterly heartbroken and grieving, the body language between his stepmom and dad was not as affectionate, the photo had mom and stepmom standing beside each other rather then mom and dad standing beside each other, if this was my husbands son I would not be in between dad and mom, this is their time to be together. In my opinion Terri's eyes seemed to be looking away from the situation and mom seemed a serious mess and her husband was really comforting her, I did not see this same comforting between Terri and Kaine, however I did not actually watch the presser as I have not had the time to keep up with this case as much as I would like, so I only have thoughts based off the still photos. I did not find it weird that Terri was wearing makeup like some comments stated. I can also say that anti depressants most certainly stop tears from flowing no matter how distraught you are but I would agree you would have to be on them for well over a few weeks for that to take affect. I just don't know what to think and I have had my own opinions since day 1 regarding some actions or lack of from SM but until LE confirms SM as a POI I won't read too much into them as everyone reacts differently to situations. I pray for Kyron and his innocence and hope it is not gone or lost forever. I hope his family can have peace soon and unfortunatley for all of us, there will too soon be another case like this. :banghead:

 

[sofia76]

except one doesn't attempt to clear oneself if one's goal is to find their baby, and that's what you stated you wondered about. She's not screaming for her child, and by that, it is suspicious.

I wonder.......are the other three parents involved held to this standard, then?

Exactly. Whether TH is guilty or not, she is not the only parent involved here. And if her NOT being on tv every day sobbing and pleading for Kyron to come home is a sign of guilt, than all four parents must be guilty. Which I don't think is the case.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Does everyone remember when it was that the families were no longer staying together at the same place? Or were they ever? Also, do you remember LE in a pressor being questioned if they needed Kyron's body to make an arrest and they said "No." ?? Or am I in la-la land?

Do we know if an officer is still staying at the parents home?

 

[STEADFAST]

I'm sure this has been mentioned and I may have even read it already, but in the first appearance that the family made, I thought TM looked too relaxed. Kyron's mom looked the way I would, devastated and scared. TM didn't fit the picture at all in my mind. That was when I began to think Kyron wasn't coming home right away.

I agree, Kyron's mom looked completely destroyed. TM looked fidgety and self-conscious. In fact, I took screen shots of the infamous "hug" segment, every 2 or so seconds (about 20 pictures!) Desiree doesn't move an inch, except to wipe her face. Terri is moving and looking all around.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

This picture -

Makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. KH (IMO) is showing disgust/contempt and TH shows fear and "reflection".

This was at the second presser. IMO they are "tired of it all" and "just want everyone to go away".

I've seen another close-up of this pic showing just KH and TH - every time I see it - my skin crawls.



http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/sunday_kyron_horman_press_conf.html

 

[TakeNote]

I just cant get passed his project pic......that shows he was there that morning....unless the person with their daughter in the back ground has come forward and said that they had visited the classroom on another day and wasnt there that morning.....why is LE asking for info if anyone had seen her that day....or the day before.....I would think....since she volunteers there....there would have been plenty of children, parents, and staff that would have seen her......what is LE looking for by passing out those flyers???.......I dont get it......do they have info she wasnt seen that day??

 

[Wrinkles]

I just keep putting myself in TH's shoes. I keep thinking IF what she said happened actually did then WHY, WHY, WHY is she not all over the TV talking in the camera. I would be shouting to the public, I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, I LOVE MY SON and I just want him returned to his family. I wouldn't care what anyone said. Even if LE advised for me not to, I would do it in a hot minute. I'm a rather shy person, but I would do anything to get my baby back(even IF he wasn't my biological baby). I would tell them to come take me instead and give my boy back to his family.

Maybe, just maybe, she is allowing herself to be thrown under the bus... This is all too confusing for me, but I understand what you are saying. I would be inclined to do what you suggested, but I would also listen to LE and say, "You direct, I am not important, I do not care the damage to me, find my child...I am willing to sacrifice my life for this."

We will all learn so much more in the future. I just hope we do not learn that there is nothing but confusion to be learned.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I just cant get passed his project pic......that shows he was there that morning....unless the person with their daughter in the back ground has come forward and said that they had visited the classroom on another day and wasnt there that morning.....why is LE asking for info if anyone had seen her that day....or the day before.....I would think....since she volunteers there....there would have been plenty of children, parents, and staff that would have seen her......what is LE looking for by passing out those flyers???.......I dont get it......do they have info she wasnt seen that day??

Ok - thinking out of the box here. Maybe she didn't take him or wasn't the only parent there?

 

[annalyzer]

I'm sure this has been mentioned and I may have even read it already, but in the first appearance that the family made, I thought TM looked too relaxed. Kyron's mom looked the way I would, devastated and scared. TM didn't fit the picture at all in my mind. That was when I began to think Kyron wasn't coming home right away.

Watch her face when the LE officer announced the large reward in a presser.

 

[cakegirl0905]

Cluciano, wanted to give you a hug... Can I embrace you as a buddy here and say I ache alongside you for this dear child (as so many of us are aching in here)? I only wish this were a bad dream and a bad plot. I cannot bare to think of the unrelenting pain of those who have touched, nurtured and loved this child physically and in every other way, and who had nothing to do with his disappearance are feeling. We feel this as a member of the larger family, what are these poor people experiencing -- I ache for them.

Me as well. I just don't understand why this keeps happening, over and over and over again. Caylee. Haleigh. Ethan. Kyron. Why are children being murdered because they aren't convenient? Or to be used as revenge?

My heart breaks for little Kyron now.

ETA: I know we don't know Kyron has been killed. But, the evidence so far isn't looking good.

 

[TakeNote]

Ok - thinking out of the box here. Maybe she didn't take him or wasn't the only parent there?

yes....thinking outside the box......

what have we learned before.....focus on what is not being said...

 

[cluciano63]

I feel very sad for the other three parents in any case, as they must be having terrible suspicions as we are and how much harder it must be for them? There are probably a hundred "what ifs", like we all feel when anything happens.

And I guess the reason we wanted and or expected to hear from TH more is because we felt she would feel the worst, whether she should or not; it is natural to feel guilty if indeed she had not walked him down that hall.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

yes....thinking outside the box......

what have we learned before.....focus on what is not being said...

EXACTLY! Maybe, just maybe KH drove the white truck that day!!!!

 

[butterfly1978]

I have noticed a lot lately that it is rare they actually NAME a POI, many times they ho-hum around and say it with out saying it, playing word games.

Terri was the last one to see Kyron ALIVE. That is signifigant considering he was in a school full of people, and no one saw him after she left

Terri did not call 911 when she realized he was not on the bus, the bus driver called the school and the school called. Wouldn't a parent or step-parent be more concerned if there child had not been seen since that morning... Very odd behavior.

The truck sighting 2 times the day Kyron went missing is similar to Terri's.

There is no apparent threat to other kids.
These are known reasons to focus on her. other possible reasons would be:
Her alibi can't be verified, if she ran errands after she left that would be easy to verify.
If there were problems or allegations in the past
It appears he left school with out much commotion or it would have raised suspension...
Since she had a child recently she may be suffering from post parduim or other problems.
I'm going to stop there for now because I'm not sure if we are allowed to post theories of why she is the focus or facts... COULD SOMEONE HELP ME I'M SO CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO POST..........I've read the OP and the numerous reminders but I'm still confused.