Soccer Game ... No really, "the" Soccer Game

[ewwwinteresting]

The picture's gone, EI.

Really? You can't see it. Hmmm....wonder how I can see it when I click the link?

Ok, how about this link?

 

[lauriej]

yep...........this link works just perfect....

Really? You can't see it. Hmmm....wonder how I can see it when I click the link?

Ok, how about this link?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/LTUCher/Memorials/JanetAcopy.jpg

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Really? You can't see it. Hmmm....wonder how I can see it when I click the link?

Is that other picture from Raven's site? Maybe you have a cookie still in your hard drive? Did Raven remove the picture because I used to be able to see it at his site and now I can't.

 

[jodierenee]

His whole site is down for some reason.

Darn. Today is my first day in this forum and the link with the most info is not working. Figures! :waitasec:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Darn. Today is my first day in this forum and the link with the most info is not working. Figures! :waitasec:

Welcome to the forum!!!

Yeah, someone discovered a short while back that his site was being taken down. Perhaps it is fully dismantled now? He's also closed his account, (under a name we know at least), at MySpace.com. Luckily, a lot of his posts from various places were copied and pasted to this forum before they started to disappear.

 

[NCBanker]

Regarding the question of why no one has come forward on this forum to validate Raven's claim of playing soccer the night of the murder, it has been established that the majority of those with whom Raven played were Hispanic, and possibly living here illegally. This is not a racist statement, but one of fact. The soccer team websites show the majority of the members being Hispanic. I have worked closely with and employed Hispanics in the past, and the majority of them were not here legitimately. In fact, I've caught several using social security numbers which are stolen from both the living and deceased, or one legitimate number being shared among a group. The last thing they're going to do is step into the limelight, only to be under scrutiny themselves.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Regarding the question of why no one has come forward on this forum to validate Raven's claim of playing soccer the night of the murder, it has been established that the majority of those with whom Raven played were Hispanic, and possibly living here illegally. This is not a racist statement, but one of fact. The soccer team websites show the majority of the members being Hispanic. I have worked closely with and employed Hispanics in the past, and the majority of them were not here legitimately. In fact, I've caught several using social security numbers which are stolen from both the living and deceased, or one legitimate number being shared among a group. The last thing they're going to do is step into the limelight, only to be under scrutiny themselves.

So along this train of thought -

Ok, so Raven heads out sometime the evening of the 25th to play soccer. Possibly finds a pick up game, as has been reported here anyway. And let's assume the game is being played primarily by Hispanic players, if not all.

Raven talks to LE, tells them his whereabouts for the evening. Let's say he goes so far as to say, "I really didn't know any of these guys, I just saw the game and played," or something to that effect.

Fact: Raven should at least be able to tell LE where the game was being played. At least the approx time he arrived, and later departed.

That said, LE now has the task to verify this information.

This being a pick up game, with no players names given to them, the task is perhaps a little more challenging than might normally be the case.

But, it's hard for me to imagine that LE did not/has not pursued that soccer game alibi, doggedly. Maybe they find out who routinely plays at this field, what days are routinely played, etc. And then, I would hope, at some point at least, they stumble across a similar game, etc. And questioning the players would become imperative. Illegally in this country and working or whatever? Perhaps. But being asked by LE simply to verify a person's presence at a game, doesn't necessarily imply they are going to be deported. On the flip side, NOT cooperating with LE would be the poor choice here...

While I think the "illegal Hispanic players" point has merit, this is a homicide case. And if this scenario was indeed given as an alibi for any POI, then my bet is LE left no stone unturned.

All of that said - I can certainly see why no one might have come foward on THIS forum, sure. But, speaking here, and speaking directly to LE, are two entirely different things.

 

[NCBanker]

My point was that,

A. Diehard Hispanic soccer players aren't following unsolved murders on the internet, and

B. They will avoid any and all contact with LE, regardless of how innocent that contact might be. Trust me.

I lived in Latin America for 2 years, work in international business and have been involved with the Hispanic members of our faith for many years. I base my theories on this experience.

So along this train of thought -

Ok, so Raven heads out sometime the evening of the 25th to play soccer. Possibly finds a pick up game, as has been reported here anyway. And let's assume the game is being played primarily by Hispanic players, if not all.

Raven talks to LE, tells them his whereabouts for the evening. Let's say he goes so far as to say, "I really didn't know any of these guys, I just saw the game and played," or something to that effect.

Fact: Raven should at least be able to tell LE where the game was being played. At least the approx time he arrived, and later departed.

That said, LE now has the task to verify this information.

This being a pick up game, with no players names given to them, the task is perhaps a little more challenging than might normally be the case.

But, it's hard for me to imagine that LE did not/has not pursued that soccer game alibi, doggedly. Maybe they find out who routinely plays at this field, what days are routinely played, etc. And then, I would hope, at some point at least, they stumble across a similar game, etc. And questioning the players would become imperative. Illegally in this country and working or whatever? Perhaps. But being asked by LE simply to verify a person's presence at a game, doesn't necessarily imply they are going to be deported. On the flip side, NOT cooperating with LE would be the poor choice here...

While I think the "illegal Hispanic players" point has merit, this is a homicide case. And if this scenario was indeed given as an alibi for any POI, then my bet is LE left no stone unturned.

All of that said - I can certainly see why no one might have come foward on THIS forum, sure. But, speaking here, and speaking directly to LE, are two entirely different things.

 

[cappuccina]

..I agree with you....They might talk THROUGH someone, though, such as an attorney in their community, if their anonymity were guaranteed...

 

[Bobbisangel]

If you look closer at the link, it talks about the organization donating soccer gear to some league in Africa, and that Eurosport arranged and paid for the shipping. When I first saw the Eurosport name there, I grasped at the same thing..then read further....

A lot of teams have sponsors that buy everything the players need. My daughter played on a women's softball team in Texas and Coors was their sponsor. Coors bought the outfits...mitts...softballs...bats...etc..for each player. I still have her bat and ball. Most sponsors do pay for everything.

From the earlier new articles it sounded like Raven did play that night. If he was actually playing...suited up and right there with the other players...he is probably not the killer. It seems like something would have happened with LE by now if Raven is guilty. I'd say he either didn't do it or LE didn't have enough evidence. I would just like to know where LE is in their investigation.

 

[lauriej]

. I would just like to know where LE is in their investigation.

.........exactly.....where IS LE in their investigation?
...that's the big question........THEY were the one to say, right from day one, it was "not random"..."no need for the public to worry"...blah blah blah...

...and yet, no arrest ? no follow up from LE since ?

...if i lived in that neighbourhood, i'd sure be worried....a young woman stabbed to death 8 weeks ago, her baby in the next room........!?

...if raven is a POI....fine.....( and they're giving him leeway/rope to hang himself.....)

...if not.....and i were raven.......( and surely we can assume he's done a google search and read this ENTIRE forum.........................probably has the bruises on his jaw still to prove it.....)then HE should be all over the media, "my god.....i'm 110% innocent...............i have an alibi ( link/witnesses ) ...i've read all sorts of horrible things all over the internet.....i LOVED my wife...( link: to his memorial to janet....)(oh..............right.....he never finished that.....)

...of course he does have a lawyer...........at least for the embezzling case ....and perhaps has been advised to say nothing.....but personally...........INNOCENT.....there's no way i could sit still and not want to clear my name, after reading page after page of accusations about myself.....

...instead.....he hasn't been posting on his favourite forums.....erased himself actually from at least one.....taken down the family web site.....and....................taken off from NC/VA to utah........WILL he return for the july 22nd hearing on the embezzelment charges ?

...i would think....an innocent man would....:
...definietly post a memorial to his wife..............( internet savvy as raven i s....)complete with guest book, etc.....
...be aware of the power of the media: and use them to his advantage, ie: interviews all over the place , getting the story out there and asking for help in any way....he seems like the type to me that would be HOUNDING the media...demanding to bring janet's killer to justice...

...and yet we've heard nothing from raven..........or LE...or the media....
...his silence says a lot...
...theirs is questionable ?.( DOES LE owe the public an ongoing explanation? i have no idea, but i think their "not random" statement 2 months ago is reason enough to merit a reply from them now..........
...media: sure they've had 3 murders again in just the past week.!.........so they elect to put janet 's case on the back burner ?

...someone is getting away with murder in durham NC.....LE isn't talking.....the media doesn't appear to care.........

...think of janet...........young, vibrant...pretty...new mother...and now no longer there for her baby.......and write to the editors ( links by SES on the please read: media thread).

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

...media: sure they've had 3 murders again in just the past week.!.........so they elect to put janet 's case on the back burner ?

Even if they've had 20 murders in the past week, there's a big difference between someone being gunned down in the street and someone being stabbed to death in their own home during typically non-burglary hours. I'm surprised that the media hasn't made that distinction.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Even if they've had 20 murders in the past week, there's a big difference between someone being gunned down in the street and someone being stabbed to death in their own home during typically non-burglary hours. I'm surprised that the media hasn't made that distinction.

As sad as it is, I really don't read much or are concerned about gang members killing gang members or a drug deal turned bad and a murder was committed but this is not what happened here. As you say, JG, a young girl was brutally stabbed to death in her own home between 7:00 and 11:00 pm. Yes, the LE has stated it was not random.......but, what, almost two months later, no mentioned suspects, POIs, or arrests. I just don't get it.:banghead:

BTW.....I believe Durham PD is hiring.....anybody need a job?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I agree, EI. Janet was not tangled up in something that could have predicted her death. She was a hard-working, loving mother, and someone somewhere owes her justice by finding and/or arresting the person that did this to her.

 

[JnTC]

Hey soccer players, how long does an adult pickup soccer game last?

A regulation soccer game is 45 minutes per half with a 10-20 minute halftime. The problem with pickup soccer games, or even organized league games is that times vary GREATLY. I played in a 6v6 league during which we played 20 minute halves. Pickup games can last anywhere from one to three or even four hours, not necessarily with 11 players on each side, not even necessarily with real goals. You just play to play. I don't know if that was the kind of game Raven was playing in, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were.

Someone mentioned they would like to know if we played with Janet or Raven, so I'll let it be known that I played with Janet at SVU. They were both very good, and both loved the game, as has been mentioned.

 

[surf_moon_stars]

orignally posted by JnTC

A regulation soccer game is 45 minutes per half with a 10-20 minute halftime. The problem with pickup soccer games, or even organized league games is that times vary GREATLY. I played in a 6v6 league during which we played 20 minute halves. Pickup games can last anywhere from one to three or even four hours, not necessarily with 11 players on each side, not even necessarily with real goals. You just play to play. I don't know if that was the kind of game Raven was playing in, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were.

Someone mentioned they would like to know if we played with Janet or Raven, so I'll let it be known that I played with Janet at SVU. They were both very good, and both loved the game, as has been mentioned.

Hi and welcome JnTC,

Thank you for the information you posted, as I hope this can bring some new insight or updates for LE on the above posted about soccer games.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I believe that Raven played soccer in Cary on the night in question. I have no way to prove this. Does anyone know about the facilities available in Cary, and how far from the house it is, etc.?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

THE big soccer facility in Cary is SAS Soccer Park:

http://www.townofcary.org/depts/prdept/soccerpark/socceroverview.htm

A Mapquest search from Ferrand to Soccer Park Drive in Cary says:

Approx. 26.82 miles. Approx. Driving Time is 33 minutes
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&1rc=B1AAA&1n=DURHAM+COUNTY&cl=EN&ct=NA&rsres=1&1ahXX=&1y=US&1a=%5B2600-2699%5D+FERRAND+DR&1c=DURHAM&1s=NC&1z=27705&2ahXX=&2y=US&2a=201+Soccer+Park+Drive&2c=Cary&2s=NC&2z=

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

THE big soccer facility in Cary is SAS Soccer Park:

http://www.townofcary.org/depts/prdept/soccerpark/socceroverview.htm

Wow, so many things are going through my mind about this facility. It sounds huge - would they use a location this big for pick-up soccer?

Fields are available by reservation ...


• Permanent seating for 7,000 with expansion capability
• Lighted stadium field, two lighted practice fields & four other fields
• Concessions, locker rooms, rest rooms & meeting space
• 2,600 parking spaces




And look who plays here ...

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Professional Soccer : 2005 Cary Cup
D.C. United vs. Rochester Rhinos




[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And some weird little coincidences here that mean absolutely nothing:[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SAS, a privately held software company, has its worldwide headquarters in Cary. SAS has naming rights to the soccer park.[/font]



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[SouthEastSleuth]

It IS a huge facility - used for everything from kids leagues, to professional games, to area pick-up games, to HS games, etc. When the pro women's soccer league was still alive and well, the Carolina Courage played their games here. It's owned by the city, but SAS, which is THE large employer in Cary, bought naming rights, etc.

I think a good number of the local leagues play here as well.

And, a quick drive from Durham as well!!