Sources: Casey Anthony Intentionally Killed Caylee

[SuziQ]

I believe Cindy had said her and Caylee had taken taken a swim in the evening of the 15th, so if Cindy and KC got into a scrap after the swim, and KC snatched Caylee up and fled, maybee Just maybee LP would be right about the swimsuit being found with the remains...I remember him saying a suimsuit was found, not sure if its true, but it would make sense

The swimsuit, if it exist would prove GA was lying about seeing them on the 16th.

 

[Rumpole]

I think he said she left with her backpack on and some sunglasses.

I happen to have recently watched the Greta interview in the home. Over and over again.
GA definately says there was a goodbye with "hugs and kisses..." However bear i mind it was early on and CA was sitting next to him and Greta was prompting (and leading) somewhat.

 

[seekjustice]

The swimsuit, if it exist would prove GA was lying about seeing them on the 16th.

Precisely! THUS...Immunity

 

[SuziQ]

I'm not buying rage, at least not completely. Rage at CINDY, possibly. KC did searches back in MARCH on google. I believe she was thinking about it. THEN KC and CA had their fight, and KC killed Caylee to spite Cindy. She already had thoughts of doing it, and when Cindy ticked her off badly enough, she thought fine, we'll see who has the last word...and didn't she say JUST THAT to Lee? "i'm just a spiteful b*tch".

That being said, I don't know why, but this new news is really hitting me hard. I guess it makes it all that much more a reality. Last weekend I had nightmares that my stepdaughter wouldn't tell me where my grandchildren were...unlike the As, I was frantic, pleading, begging, finally trying to throttle it out of her...

I think the fight on the 15th was a catalyst for Casey to act on what she wanted for a long time. And what she wanted was to not to be tied down to a child.

 

[JWG]

It actually makes perfect sense. I think we know she just went by the seat of her pants and made it up as she went along. But imo it does not speak to premed at all.

ETA: I think the pages show anyone that has ever lived there FWIW. I will look at some of the other owners on th street.

This is true. Type my name into whitepages and you get my last five addresses.

 

[SuziQ]

There is a Zenaida listed in the white pages, along with other names, as living at the house nearby. But she is not listed as an owner of the house. To me, it is just another lie KC made up as she went along.

Lol, I bumped my own post to aknowledge my mistake, but not quick enough.

 

[JBean]

This is true. Type my name into whitepages and you get my last five addresses.

even if you look at the white pages that are linked, you see several people living at the same address.

 

[JBean]

I happen to have recently watched the Greta interview in the home. Over and over again.
GA definately says there was a goodbye with "hugs and kisses..." However bear i mind it was early on and CA was sitting next to him and Greta was prompting (and leading) somewhat.

Hercule, this issue has come up many times and I know something similar to this has been posted each time.
There is a statement by GA regarding this incident, as a matter of fact it may be in the bond hearing as well. I'll go check so we can put this to rest, or not, once and for all.

 

[JWG]

I do remember he asked her (Casey) where she was going and when she'd be back...he said it was like any other time. (cough, cough)

(Assuming we are talking about June 16.)

Not quite true, but unfortunately the details are splattered across multiple threads.

KC told George she was working an event late that night and would just stay with Caylee at the nanny's. KC said she'd already spoken to Cindy about it. George said this was not unusual as this had happened a few times already.

 

[JWG]

I was referring to the maggots they got out of the trunk of the car and the bag at the tow yard. I should have been more clear.

Ah, OK...then technically I agree.

However....Cindy cleaned the trunk before she started her search for KC, and LE - for reasons known only to them - did not seize the vacuum cleaner or steam cleaner in July. They waited until December. Remember - the trunk had been cleaned which is why very little "debris" was collected.

If any maggots were collected they would have been collected from the trash bag discarded at the tow yard. But, defense could argue contamination with other trash, IMHO.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

ITA it just does not make sense, little ones that age are up and all over the house, wanting breakfast, or to go potty, etc, Its hard to believe they would stay all cooped up in a bedroom untill almost 1 pm

You will never convince me that child slept until 1:00 PM, with NO breakfast, not playing, not making any noise, just staying in that bedroom. NEVER !! I believed it was a lie when he told and I still believe it was a lie.

 

[cecybeans]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before or this thread has somehow spun out into something else, but if the words overwhelming indication of intentional death are not some reporter's interpretation, I am thinking that only one thing could forensically prove this.

Duct tape over the skull or fingerprints on the tape does not necessarily indicate intentional death in that the tape could have been placed there post-mortem to imitate a kidnapping. IMO the only evidence to show it was intentional is if somehow there was evidence on the tape, however slight, of Caylee being alive while it was placed there - such as vomit perhaps. If there is any indication her head was taped while she was alive then I think that would rule out any fake kidnapping or accidental death scenario. Since actual COD was not determined by the autopsy, then perhaps either some microscopic forensic evidence of bodily fluid that would ONLY have occurred if she was living at the time the tape was placed would indicate that she had not yet expired. Any other fiber evidence (from bedding, etc.) might indicate suffocation, but could have also been easily transferred to tape. Same with any other crime scene evidence that may have led back to the Anthony house - it might identify KC as the killer, but not prove it was intentional. IMO

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Ah, OK...then technically I agree.

However....Cindy cleaned the trunk before she started her search for KC, and LE - for reasons known only to them - did not seize the vacuum cleaner or steam cleaner in July. They waited until December. Remember - the trunk had been cleaned which is why very little "debris" was collected.

If any maggots were collected they would have been collected from the trash bag discarded at the tow yard. But, defense could argue contamination with other trash, IMHO.

Not unless there was another dead body in that trash. Blow flies are a different species of flies than regular flies and their larvae and maggots are different.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before or this thread has somehow spun out into something else, but if the words overwhelming indication of intentional death are not some reporter's interpretation, I am thinking that only one thing could forensically prove this.

Duct tape over the skull or fingerprints on the tape does not necessarily indicate intentional death in that the tape could have been placed there post-mortem to imitate a kidnapping. IMO the only evidence to show it was intentional is if somehow there was evidence on the tape, however slight, of Caylee being alive while it was placed there - such as vomit perhaps. If there is any indication her head was taped while she was alive then I think that would rule out any fake kidnapping or accidental death scenario. Since actual COD was not determined by the autopsy, then perhaps either some microscopic forensic evidence of bodily fluid that would ONLY have occurred if she was living at the time the tape was placed would indicate that she had not yet expired. Any other fiber evidence (from bedding, etc.) might indicate suffocation, but could have also been easily transferred to tape. Same with any other crime scene evidence that may have led back to the Anthony house - it might identify KC as the killer, but not prove it was intentional. IMO

I am wondering if there was a cloth UNDER that duct tape over her mouth.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The swimsuit, if it exist would prove GA was lying about seeing them on the 16th.

That is a good observation and they did say there was a bathing suit.

 

[Rumpole]

Not unless there was another dead body in that trash. Blow flies are a different species of flies than regular flies and their larvae and maggots are different.

Surely the blow flies could be feasting on other meat scraps in trunk, or it could be argued that way?

 

[JWG]

I'm just thinking outloud - it's one scenerio - LE took all the bedding, pillows etc from the room and there are many that think Caylee died in the house on the 15th

I think that number is shrinking because it does not pass the sniff test and instead suggests a rather complex and diabolical conspiracy.

We can establish via videos and eyewitness testimony Caylee was alive the afternoon of the 15th.

George said he saw her leave with KC just before 1 on the 16th. There is no logical reason for George to lie about this, so was he confused?

Well, KC's cell phone pings all morning and up to about 4:15PM from the parent's.

The home computer shows activity in the morning that ends just before 1 (when George says he saw them leave) and restarts around 2 (after George left for work).

The home computer activity includes an upload to KC's Photobucket.

JG says he hears Caylee in the background during his 2:50 PM call with KC.
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Just too much circumstantial evidence supporting a live Caylee up to 3 PM on the 16th.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I thought JG's call was on the 24th?

 

[Rumpole]

I thought JG's call was on the 24th?

There were calls 16th and 24th. JG said he heard Caylee in both, but is now saying less sure about 24th. I think he did hear Caylee on 16th but on 24th KC was faking it by pretending to tell Caylee to get off the table.

 

[RR0004]

(Assuming we are talking about June 16.)

Not quite true, but unfortunately the details are splattered across multiple threads.

KC told George she was working an event late that night and would just stay with Caylee at the nanny's. KC said she'd already spoken to Cindy about it. George said this was not unusual as this had happened a few times already.

She "might" be working a little bit late:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

ETA: there's a ton of slightly "conflicting" stories...but the gist is the same IMO. Especially, if you don't believe any of it.