South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #4

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  • #921
Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 36s36 seconds ago

PH: The merits of this case say that the lady had to be killed. Mr. Dewani was let out. Mr. Tongo out. They took the lady & killed her. It was not atypical execution-style shooting ..... to the head.
 
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RAHIMA ESSOP ‏@rahimaessop 51 secs52 seconds ago

#DewaniTrial VZ: I will argue later on that your approach is coloured by your bias towards the accused. RE
 
  • #923
Oh dear oh dear. Witness being told off for arguing with court, which is the worst thing he could do.
 
  • #924
Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 2m2 minutes ago

VZ: Mr. Qwabe testified that Mngeni was the shooter

((Traverso: Just answer the question and don't argue with Mr. Van Zyl))

VZ: Then we have the marks on the leg of the deceased. Did that play a role?

PH: The marks on her legs, I deduced, was purely because of the manhandling while she was being robbed.
 
  • #925
Ayesha ‏@CloraVannieKaap 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Cpt Hendrikse disagrees with Van Zyl regarding his biased evidence.
 
  • #926
Oh dear oh dear. Witness being told off for arguing with court, which is the worst thing he could do.

Traverso definitely not happy with how this trial is going. Well, at least we have no guess work here like Masipa. What we see, is what we get. :p
 
  • #927
Did all the tweets just stop or is it me?
 
  • #928
Lunch
 
  • #929
Ayesha ‏@CloraVannieKaap 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Cpt Hendrikse confirms he made it clear to taxi driver Tongo, after taking down his statement, that he did not believe him.

And lunchbreak.
 
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Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 2m2 minutes ago

Preparing for a 1pm live crossing. Court to adjourn for lunch in the next 10 m ins. tweets to follow after lunch. Apologies
No need. Court has just adjourned for lunch


Normally I wouldn't post this comment, but Leigh-Ann is such a dedicated and hard worker, she does live crosses inbetween her tweets. :clap:
 
  • #931
Traverso definitely not happy with how this trial is going. Well, at least we have no guess work here like Masipa. What we see, is what we get. :p

It seems to me, like OP trial, that defence is given much more leeway than state. Both in the evidence they are allowed to present, and the lines of questioning they're allowed to take.
 
  • #932
Thanks Prime and Zwiebel for the tweets.

It's hard to follow everything with some tweeters sending info in a different order to others. On http://ewn.co.za/Features/dewani-live-blog for example the info was different to another tweeter. So the info PH had implied it was about the helicopter, when that was wrong and it was about the prisoner with additional info. I've noticed other examples, very difficult and I think we're getting a different sense of what is happening in the court at times.

I think the robbery gone wrong angle is just as shaky as any of the others. If it was a straightforward robbery it could have continued just as well with Tongo and SD in the vehicle, so I'm waiting to see where VZ goes with just keeping Anni in the car, and releasing the others to identify them later. Still no clear info re the money and how it was moved from Anni's bag.
 
  • #933
They're accusing him of a crime, not calling him a coward, a narcissist or wishing him audits in his home country.

His time being sectioned, diagnosed with PTSD and being witnessed crying and distraught has been well-documented. You just choose not to believe it real.

It could. Or it could be the most probable outcome: a man just found out he lost his wife, and an attempted robbery/ransom plot ended up with a murder and Tongo realised how deep he's in for it now and needs to think up something quck.

Yes there's evidence he logged onto the site. Can you show me your evidence to prove he was 'hooking up' and 'hitting the scene'?

And you're ignoring all the evidence of them being in a long relationship but using a few texts and his bi-sexuality as proof for that?

What evidence do you have that his trauma came immediately after, and more importantly, because he was called back to South Africa.

How do you know this?

Slums that are driven through by several taxis on the way back and forward from places in South Africa.

If your wife was killed, and you knew the killers had been identified already, and you heard they were accusing you of orchestrating it and it not true, would you focus your energy on disproving that or would you have better things to be doing, like grieving the loss of a loved one. Especially when the killers became identified already. I personally wouldn't be able to leave the house, let alone humour a half-baked concoction that it was my doing in the same country the tramau happened.

These are the attacks I'm talkign about based on a few unhappy texts and a bit of information.

They're the same to me. And they were identified anyway. He probably thought justice would be done, not his name being dropped in it.

He obviously got told by Tongo to give him the money secretely that night and trusted him. Hence why Tongo needed the hijacking to happen that night.

The money for the helicopter would be the last thing on his mind, especially if he didn't suspect Tongo at that point.

Because he must have thought that this was a robbery and if the police got the car back, he'd get the ring back. It's pretty simple. The question should be if he thought this was part of the plan of a hit, then why hide a ring in the car it was going to happen in?!

Who knows why he phoned him?! Could have been another thank you, reminder to do something, tell him he forgot something or to tell someone something. I doubt it was a 'good job, thanks again buddy'. And yes, sometimes grief-stricken people have moments during their life where they don't look grief-stricken.

How do you know the explanations you've provided are right? You're not him and neither am I. The most crucial thing you're forgetting to add are 3 important words after ALL my posts which I give scenarios, ideas and thoughts, especially the one you've replied to -
Just My Opinion Please take that as it is.
 
  • #934
I would have thought the prime motive in keeping only a female victim in the car would have been for the purposes of sexual assault. So I do wonder if defence is going to come back to those bruises on Anni's legs and try to argue she was killed fighting off a sexual assault.

I got the sense VZ was pushing for the last police witness to concede the bruises could have been caused by that, rather than just Anni being pulled into position so she could be shot and killed.
 
  • #935
I also hope state will blast out of the water any defence hints that this could not have been a hired hit because it wasn't a 'professional execution'. I think there's ample evidence in this case - and others in SA - that killers can be hired who are far from 'professional'.
 
  • #936
Shrien Dewani 'changed mind over marriage'

A man accused of organising the murder of his wife while on honeymoon told her he changed his mind about marriage, a South African court has heard.

Swedish national Anni Dewani emailed husband Shrien claiming he had told her if he had know "marriage were like this" he "wouldn't have got married".

Three days later, a taxi the pair were travelling in was apparently carjacked and Mrs Dewani, 28, was killed.

The emails from Mrs Dewani go on to say he should have told her of any doubts before the wedding.

"Because we had a Bollywood wedding it does not mean we are Bollywood actors and just pretend everything is good when it isn't," one email said.

"It will just end up with us hating each other."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-30003362
 
  • #937
IMO, SD may have felt Anni would end up humiliating him in front of family and the community. I have no idea what his personality is like, no one has come forward to give any character references. So this could be an honor killing. JMO
 
  • #938
It sounds strange to me that SD hired an attorney shortly after the men were arrested. This may not be unusual in some countries. In the Amanda Knox case IIRC her flat mates engaged a lawyer after the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy, but they were never under any suspicion as far as I know.
 
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It sounds strange to me that SD hired an attorney shortly after the men were arrested. This may not be unusual in some countries. In the Amanda Knox case IIRC her flat mates engaged a lawyer after the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy, but they were never under any suspicion as far as I know.

I agree, he went into damage control pretty quick, afaik, it was when Tongo was accused and SD himself or his lawyer asked if he now was a suspect too. :thinking:

Ahhh, so AK did the same, I haven't followed her case closely. I watched a documentary a while back, just so many mistakes made there too in the investigation. I don't know what to believe.
 
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