NOT GUILTY South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #5

  • #761
Anni's parents' reasons in suing for the cost of the wedding (£200,000) may be valid within Indian culture, but I assume they will do this within the UK or Sweden, and if it will be recognised outside of India. I believe that in India this could be valid. Although the dowry arrangement is illegal in India now, my understanding is that indian families avoid this law by avoiding the word dowry and calling it wedding expenses.



http://wcd.nic.in/dowryprohibitionact.htm



http://indiatogether.org/manushi/issue148/dowry.htm



http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Dowry

In some countries, dowry has been outlawed due to the female death toll associated with it, but the practice remains legal in Britain.
It seems there have also been court proceedings in the UK in dowry related deaths of women.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...wry-violence-that-shames-britain-9803009.html

So whilst the Hindocha's may be claiming the money was for the wedding, was it really a dowry? It sounds as though he will sue for 'false representation' due to SD's sexuality. Who knows, but it does sound as though the Dewani's were given the money and supposedly organised the financial side of the wedding with it, or why would the Hindochas be asking for receipts to show how the money was spent. Seems strange to me as I'd have thought that Anni's family would have organised and paid for the wedding themselves.

I think SD did most of the organising, lol.

It will be interesting to hear about whose £200,000 it was. ($371,000 AU )

If this amount of money was given to the Dewani's, who knows how much actually went to the wedding and what was pocketed, and that would be a kind of dowry payment. SD had his spreadsheet out organising the whole thing, probably got the price down to 50,000, :rolleyes: JMO
 
  • #762
  • #763
Anni Hindocha’s parents plan to sue Shrien Dewani for lying about his sexuality

http://www.news24.com/Live/SouthAfr...rby-Lewis-Dewani-Hannelie-Groenewald-20141202

Shrien Dewani in-laws plan to sue over bisexuality ‘shock’

Vinod and Nilam Hindocha told Mail Online they would pursue the civil action in London regardless of the outcome of Dewani’s murder trial in Cape Town.

He added: “The whole wedding was a drama, was false, and I’m going to sue him for that, not for money but for the loss of my daughter. My daughter left this world, just for nothing. Now he should stand there as a man on the stand and tell us the full story … This is our last message to Shrien Dewani: please give us the answers.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/01/shrien-dewani-inlaws-sue-bisexuality
 
  • #764
The following link explains the Tort of Deceit which I assume is what Anni's father hopes to use as he is suing in the UK. I still think he will have difficulty winning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort_of_deceit
 
  • #765
JJ it is definitely not the case in UK.

ENGLAND LIMITS THE RIGHT TO SILENCE AND MOVES TOWARDS AN
INQUISITORIAL SYSTEM OF JUSTICE

“Britain's Parliament has adopted Prime Minister John Major's proposal to significantly curtail the right to silence.1 The new law will allow judges and juries to consider as evidence of guilt both a suspect's failure to answer police questions during interrogation and a defendant's refusal to testify during trial.”

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6816&context=jclc


This has been the case in the UK since the mid 1990’s.

Thank you IB, that was really interesting. Inter alia, this is what I learned:

In 1994 the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act modified the right to silence for any person under police questioning in England and Wales. Immediately previous to the Act, the caution issued by the police varied from force to force, but was along the lines of:

"You do not have to say anything but anything you do say will be taken down and may be given in evidence.

The 1994 Act modified this to be:

"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."

"This is similar to the right to silence clause in the Miranda Warning in the US".

I've spent 2 days trying to reply but I can't keep it brief, and the following is short as I can make it.

"At common law, adverse inferences could be drawn from silence only in limited circumstances in which an accusation of guilt was made.

Adverse inferences may be drawn in certain circumstances where before or on being charged, the accused:

• fails to mention any fact which he later relies upon and which in the circumstances at the time the accused could reasonably be expected to mention;
• fails to give evidence at trial or answer any question;
• fails to account on arrest for objects, substances or marks on his person, clothing or footwear, in his possession, or in the place where he is arrested; or
• fails to account on arrest for his presence at a place.

Where inferences may be drawn from silence, the court must direct the jury as to the limits to the inferences which may properly be drawn from silence. There may be no conviction based wholly on silence.

The section is primarily directed at circumstances where a defendant refuses to reveal his defence until trial, ambushing the prosecution. An adverse inference is appropriate where the jury conclude that the reason the accused remained silent was that he had no proper answer to the charge put against him. The inferences that may be drawn include “some additional support” for the prosecution case, i.e. that the defendant is guilty.

The European Court of Human Rights has held that the right to remain silent under police questioning and the privilege against self-incrimination are generally recognised international standards which lie at the heart of the notion of a fair procedure under Article 6".

If you read the entire article it's quite apparent that it's brought virtually no change at all regarding convictions and nearly every page has negative comments regarding this amendment.

Finally, I've just discovered that last year Australia amended it's Evidence Act in a very similar manner. The legal fraternity were opposed to it because it erodes a person's presumption of innocence.

Section 89A(1) provides:

This provision only applies to "criminal proceedings for a serious indictable offence", relevantly any offence punishable by imprisonment for at least five years.

The new provision permits an unfavourable inference to be drawn during proceedings for a serious indictable offence in circumstances where a defendant failed to mention during an interview with investigating officials something the defendant relies upon in the proceedings, and of which he/she would have been aware during the investigative phase. This inference cannot be drawn, however, if it is the only evidence of the defendant's guilt.
 
  • #766
Just a correction about Anni's age. She was 28yo not 32yo as IB stated.
 
  • #767
Maybe it is because this case as been going on for the past four year, but there are so many confusions due to conflicting reports.
According to Dewani's plea statement..

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/interactive/2014/oct/06/dewani-trial-plea-statement-pdf

Page...11. 32
This is quite confusing as in other media reports it states the secretary made the bookings for the honeymoon. Unless Sian was regarded as the secretary.

Page...12. 38
Although he states on arrival he left Anni with the suitcases while he looked for a taxi, again the media reports his secretary booked the transport of taxi from the airport.

They first went to the Kruger National Park, before going on to the Cape Grace hotel in Cape Town.
It had been booked by Shrien’s secretary in London, who, according to him, had also arranged for a taxi driver in a silver VW Sharan people-carrier to pick them up from the airport on Friday, November 12. The driver was Zola Tongo.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/dewanis-weren-t-married-1.950821#.



He said the marriage between Anni and Mr Dewani was not arranged and her family had not paid a dowry to the Dewani family during the lavish wedding held in Mumbai in September, which is understood to have cost in the region of £200,000.
Mr Hindocha said: ‘We are part of the Lohana caste and dowries do not exist in our culture. If I want to give him something it is up to me.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-honeymoon-flight-shot-dead-says-father.html
 
  • #768
Kansagra, who is the daughter of the founder of the Indian airline SpiceJet, met Dewani at a party in August 2008. The couple eventually got engaged but Dewani broke it off just days later, the Sunday Mirror reported. According to the newspaper, an unnamed South African 'police source' said: "[Dewani] told her he could not have sex with her.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/people-news/3265/dewani-was-‘impotent’-first-fiancee-claims

I don't know if this is from a reliable source.
 
  • #769
Yes, Estelle, you are right. I stupidly forgot to deduct the four years since her death.
 
  • #770
  • #771
Maybe it is because this case as been going on for the past four year, but there are so many confusions due to conflicting reports.
According to Dewani's plea statement..

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/interactive/2014/oct/06/dewani-trial-plea-statement-pdf

Page...11. 32
This is quite confusing as in other media reports it states the secretary made the bookings for the honeymoon. Unless Sian was regarded as the secretary.

Page...12. 38
Although he states on arrival he left Anni with the suitcases while he looked for a taxi, again the media reports his secretary booked the transport of taxi from the airport.

They first went to the Kruger National Park, before going on to the Cape Grace hotel in Cape Town.
It had been booked by Shrien’s secretary in London, who, according to him, had also arranged for a taxi driver in a silver VW Sharan people-carrier to pick them up from the airport on Friday, November 12. The driver was Zola Tongo.


http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/dewanis-weren-t-married-1.950821#.



He said the marriage between Anni and Mr Dewani was not arranged and her family had not paid a dowry to the Dewani family during the lavish wedding held in Mumbai in September, which is understood to have cost in the region of £200,000.
Mr Hindocha said: ‘We are part of the Lohana caste and dowries do not exist in our culture. If I want to give him something it is up to me.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-honeymoon-flight-shot-dead-says-father.html


bbm: that is the ''most curious'' isn't it?? hmmmm
 
  • #772
bbm: that is the ''most curious'' isn't it?? hmmmm

Yes, there are so many reports that differ from earlier. It is not until you start reading old media reports that you see just what a big difference there is. I hadn't followed this from the start so decided to read through from the beginning.
Dewani changed his plea several times, earlier he said Anni had never been to Africa before so wanted to see some the the township areas. Yet in his latest plea he said that after eating at the Strand it was decided (and here he becomes foggy in his memory stating he had been ill and it had been a long time) that they didn't want to go back to the hotel and would drive around. I guess he changed this from the original version knowing it would be brought up that Anni had in fact been to Nigeria and of course India and there are plenty of townships/shanty towns in those countries without having to go seeking them out while on your honeymoon. Even her Father said she knew these places well.

When I lived in Mozambique, Malawi and India the last thing I would want to do is visit a township as in these countries these sort of places are round every corner and don't need seeking out. So I would have no interest to see them in S.A.

'I thought – and these are my thoughts – that why would Anni want to go to a township on her honeymoon. She has been to India and Nigeria, it's not anything that I would think she would want to see on her honeymoon.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...piciously-spreadsheet-funeral-plans-days.html

All these different versions are not just small changes, which would be understandable after four years. It is one extreme to the other.

This is all my own opinion, but there is a lot more to all this. Being pushed out of the vehicle doesn't work for me either. Wouldn't you fight to your death for your other half, I know I would. (I remember PrimeSuspect saying a similar thing in a past post). Something is very wrong about this case and I don't think the way it is going we will ever know the truth.

moo
 
  • #773
Why hasn't the PT jumped on the prearranged use of Tonga's taxi? If SD's assistant had prearranged it and told SD to look for him sure shows the possibility (IMO) it was all set up prior to arrival.....MOO
 
  • #774
I didn't know the Hindocha family were holding a presser. Did anyone else hear about this? It was live just now and I missed it. :(
 
  • #775
I'll go find some tweets.
 
  • #776
News24 @News24 · 49 mins 49 minutes ago

LIVE TWEETS: Father of slain honeymoon victim Anni Dewani due to give a press conference in Cape Town at 10:30.


Leila Samodien ‏@Leila_Luck 19 mins19 minutes ago

The Hindocha family have held a brief press conference, saying they fully expect the trial to continue on Monday. #ShrienDewani #DewaniTrial
 
  • #777
News24 @News24 · 41 mins 41 minutes ago

LIVE TWEETS: Dewani family reportedly unhappy with accused for lying about his sexual orientation, with plans to counter-sue #DewaniTrial

News24 @News24 · 35 mins 35 minutes ago

LIVE TWEETS: Brother of victim, accompanied by cousins, reading a statement:

News24 @News24 · 35 mins 35 minutes ago

"It would be wrong for accused to leave the country without revealing the real story." #DewaniTrial

News24 @News24 · 33 mins 33 minutes ago

Brother Annish demands justice to take its full course, ahead of suggestions case could be thrown out. #DewaniTrial

News24 @News24 · 23 mins 23 minutes ago

LIVE TWEETS: Dewani family also dismiss any involvement in petition against judge. #DewaniTrial

News24 @News24 · 17 mins 17 minutes ago

LIVE TWEETS: "Now is not the time to discuss reports of any plans to counter-sue." #DewaniTrial
 
  • #778
RAHIMA ESSOP ‏@rahimaessop 34 mins34 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Anish Hindocha read out the prepared statement and then left, without taking questions. RE
 
  • #779
Nashira Davids ‏@nashhannibal 31 mins31 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Anish said he is worried about his mother and fathers health. The trial is taking its toll on the whole family


Nashira Davids ‏@nashhannibal 35 mins35 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Anish addressed the press for less than five minutes. He was flanked by his cousins.
 
  • #780
Ruth Maclean ‏@ruthmaclean 35 mins35 minutes ago

"Don't let Shrien #Dewani walk," Anni Dewani's brother said today, ahead of the judge's decision whether to throw out the case #DewaniTrial
 

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