Special Counsel Issues 1st Indictments

[kaen]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/346047-trump-lawyer-manafort-raid-was-gross-abuse


"Reports emerged Wednesday that the FBI raided Manafort's home in Alexandria, Va., late last month. Analysts said the move signals an aggressive new approach to the Russia probe*by special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of investigators.


In his email, Dowd said that among the documents obtained by FBI agents were "privileged and confidential materials prepared for Mr.*Manafort by his counsel to aid him in his cooperation with the Congressional committees," according to Fox News.
"These failures by Special Counsel to exhaust less intrusive methods is a fatal flaw in the warrant process and would call for a Motion to Suppress the fruits of the search," he wrote."

While it appears that this one section of the piece indicates that there are irregularities in the Manafort raid, Dowd is Mr. Trump's attorney, not Manafort's attorney. Since this article was published in August, we don't have record of Manafort's attorney seeking relief on attorney/client materials. The first paragraph explains that Dowd is speculating rather than stating facts.

"President Trump's chief counsel reportedly accused the special counsel's office of committing a "gross abuse of the judicial process" with the FBI raid of Paul Manafort's home." From the link in the quoted material.

 

[CARIIS]

I haven't read Papadopoulos' Statement of Defense yet, but he's been cooperating with the FBI and that makes me wonder who ELSE is cooperating?

After reading the guy whose name is too hard to type ! A lot !! moo

he has been talking for the last 4 months !!

 

[jamiect]

Here's where Mueller says Manafort's money went
In detailing the alleged scheme, Mueller's office listed more than 200 transactions involving payments from shell companies and offshore accounts in Cyprus and the Grenadines to unnamed vendors in New York, Virginia, South Carolina, California and Florida.
The payments allegedly included tens of millions of dollars on home improvements, including $934,350 spent at an antique rug store in Alexandria and $623,910 paid to an antique dealer in New York. The list includes alleged payments of $849,215 at a men's clothing store in New York, $520,440 at a clothing store in Beverly Hills, and payments of $163,705 for three Range Rovers, a $62,750 Mercedes Benz and a $47,000 Range Rover.

Manafort also allegedly used offshore accounts to buy real estate, including $2.85 million for a New York City condo in Soho and a Brooklyn brownstone that cost $3 million.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/heres-where-mueller-says-manaforts-money-went.html

 

[CARIIS]

Here's where Mueller says Manafort's money went
In detailing the alleged scheme, Mueller's office listed more than 200 transactions involving payments from shell companies and offshore accounts in Cyprus and the Grenadines to unnamed vendors in New York, Virginia, South Carolina, California and Florida.
The payments allegedly included tens of millions of dollars on home improvements, including $934,350 spent at an antique rug store in Alexandria and $623,910 paid to an antique dealer in New York. The list includes alleged payments of $849,215 at a men's clothing store in New York, $520,440 at a clothing store in Beverly Hills, and payments of $163,705 for three Range Rovers, a $62,750 Mercedes Benz and a $47,000 Range Rover.

Manafort also allegedly used offshore accounts to buy real estate, including $2.85 million for a New York City condo in Soho and a Brooklyn brownstone that cost $3 million.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/heres-where-mueller-says-manaforts-money-went.html

OH my lord in criminal indictment there were pages and pages of stuff about money and shell companies

 

[CARIIS]

The public def part is truly bizarre-- does he have money?

that may mean he was truly caught off guard

[h=1]Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment[/h]
[video=cnn;politics/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-turns-himself-in-fbi-headquarters-newday.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/george-papadopolous-trump-guilty/index.html[/video]



Trump campaign adviser admitted to lying about Russian contacts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-adviser-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-about-russian-contacts/2017/10/30/d525e712-bd7d-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.ca7f896b61f9

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It is conceivable that Papadopolous may not have been operating outside of the law when he made contact about a meeting. His actions became criminal when he lied to the FBI. Until the time that he lied to the FBI, he was not a criminal (convicted, anyway). I am sure he had legal representation and knew when he was first interviewed that lying to the FBI is a felony.

I think it is important to recognize he took a plea deal, which means he was probably going to be charged with more crimes until he agreed to give them information and cooperate. Now, the question becomes what else do he know. He was arrested in late July, about the same time that the Manafort raid happened. Mueller seems to be a very methodical coordinator of this investigation. I believe more is to come.

Per CNN legal expert, Jeffrey Toobin, Papadopoulos was likely wearing a wire from July to October 5 when he plead guilty.

 

[simba16]

Here's where Mueller says Manafort's money went
In detailing the alleged scheme, Mueller's office listed more than 200 transactions involving payments from shell companies and offshore accounts in Cyprus and the Grenadines to unnamed vendors in New York, Virginia, South Carolina, California and Florida.
The payments allegedly included tens of millions of dollars on home improvements, including $934,350 spent at an antique rug store in Alexandria and $623,910 paid to an antique dealer in New York. The list includes alleged payments of $849,215 at a men's clothing store in New York, $520,440 at a clothing store in Beverly Hills, and payments of $163,705 for three Range Rovers, a $62,750 Mercedes Benz and a $47,000 Range Rover.

Manafort also allegedly used offshore accounts to buy real estate, including $2.85 million for a New York City condo in Soho and a Brooklyn brownstone that cost $3 million.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/heres-where-mueller-says-manaforts-money-went.html

I'd like to go to his garage sale.

 

[simba16]

Per CNN legal expert, Jeffrey Toobin, Papadopoulos was likely wearing a wire from July to October 5 when he plead guilty.

Yes, I've heard several pundits suggesting that. Chilling.

 

[CARIIS]

ot

breaking

oh no

Tillerson and Mattis are asking for war authorization

cnn

 

[CARIIS]

I'd like to go to his garage sale.

Will you pick up a mansion for me??

I think they (the two today) will plead the fifth

 

[CARIIS]

OH good lord

cnn

a congressman almost knocked over a flag trying to escape the nations media

that is hysterical

 

[kaen]

Here's where Mueller says Manafort's money went
In detailing the alleged scheme, Mueller's office listed more than 200 transactions involving payments from shell companies and offshore accounts in Cyprus and the Grenadines to unnamed vendors in New York, Virginia, South Carolina, California and Florida.
The payments allegedly included tens of millions of dollars on home improvements, including $934,350 spent at an antique rug store in Alexandria and $623,910 paid to an antique dealer in New York. The list includes alleged payments of $849,215 at a men's clothing store in New York, $520,440 at a clothing store in Beverly Hills, and payments of $163,705 for three Range Rovers, a $62,750 Mercedes Benz and a $47,000 Range Rover.

Manafort also allegedly used offshore accounts to buy real estate, including $2.85 million for a New York City condo in Soho and a Brooklyn brownstone that cost $3 million.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/heres-where-mueller-says-manaforts-money-went.html

How can you spend 1.3+ million dollars on clothes? There are not just enough hours in the day to wear that many clothes. If this was for laundering, how do you get the money out of a suit?

 

[CARIIS]

How can you spend 1.3+ million dollars on clothes? There are not just enough hours in the day to wear that many clothes. If this was for laundering, how do you get the money out of a suit?

ha

what do you do with all the cars when your driven everywhere !!

I feel for the third guy he was a kid and a pawn

Halloween at the WH might be happening soon !

Rachels and O Donells ratings tonight will fascinating !!!

Go girl

I am glad the third guy is taking over the lead story -- much bigger story imo

 

[kaen]

ha

what do you do with all the cars when your driven everywhere !!

True. 1.3 million on men's clothes, I can't even fathom.

 

[CARIIS]

Were making horrible headlines around the globe



again


Trump rages on Twitter at Clinton and Russia inquiry 'witch hunt'


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41796255

Is there some document other than the one for the third guy that is not in the plea

it seems media got ahold of something that has more stuff on the emails where he was trying to set up meetings with the Russians in the court thing linked many times earlier ??

 

[kaen]

The Papadopolous indictment is interesting to me. The outreach of this advisor with repeatedly getting encouragement from superiors shows how unprepared these individuals were for what it meant to be tangling with the Russian hierarchy. It seems that the Russians kept dangling shiny objects and a number of campaign advisors kept jumping to take the bait--- Papadopolous, Page. The higher level of cluenesses and lack of vetting is astounding, providing a big open door for Russians if the behavior continued.

 

[bwt42]

If he doesn't tell the truth, it's obstruction of justice.

True, but still would not make one confess. Cops "sir did you commit this murder?" If you lie to me I'll charge you with obstruction of justice. Perp, oh no, I confess.

 

[CARIIS]

Interesting timeline of the attempts to meet with Russians by top campaign officials.. many more attempts at link............

March 6, 2016. Papadopoulos learns that he will serve as an adviser to Trump’s campaign. (The timing isn’t clear; it may have been a day before or after this date.)
March 14. While in Italy, Papadopoulos meets a “professor based in London” who is initially “uninterested” in Papadopoulos — until Papadopoulos explains that he’s working for Trump’s campaign. Papadopoulos is interested in the professor because the professor has links to the Kremlin, which Papadopoulos believed would be useful in bolstering his position with the campaign.
Update: The Post reported on Monday that the professor is likely Joseph Mifsud, the director of the London Academy of Diplomacy.
March 19. Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is sent an email including a fraudulent link to change his Google password. It’s believed that this email was sent by an agent of the Russian government and was used to illegally access his email account.
March 21. Trump meets with The Post and identifiesseveral campaign advisers, including Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos’s credentials are quickly called into question.
March 24. Papadopoulos and the professor meet in London. They are joined by a woman who claims to be a niece of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The purpose of the meeting, he later writes in an email to “the Campaign Supervisor and several members of the Campaign’s foreign policy team” (per the statement), is to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin.
Who the “campaign supervisor” is isn’t clear. At that point, the Trump campaign is being managed by Corey Lewandowski. In August, The Post reported that Sam Clovis, a campaign co-chairman who worked with the foreign policy team, had rejected the idea of a meeting over the short term.
“We thought we probably should not go forward with any meeting with the Russians until we have had occasion to sit with our NATO allies,” he wrote in an email.
From our report:

In the same email chain, [adviser Navy Rear Adm. Charles] Kubic, the retired admiral, reminded others about legal restrictions on meetings with certain Russian officials, adding, “Just want to make sure that no one on the team outruns their headlights and embarrasses the campaign.”​

March 28. Manafort is hired to manage the Trump campaign’s delegate process.
March 31. At a campaign national security meeting in Washington (also attended by Trump), Papadopoulos tells the group that he had connections that could facilitate a meeting with Putin.
Trump tweeted an image from the meeting. Jeff Sessions, then a senator from Alabama, is seated in the foreground and is speaking. Papadopoulos is sitting two chairs to Sessions’s left. Trump is at the head of the table.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-russian-government/?utm_term=.4008f344f5e3

 

[kaen]

True, but still would not make one confess. Cops "sir did you commit this murder?" If you lie to me I'll charge you with obstruction of justice. Perp, oh no, I confess.

Yes, I get your point that he could be hiding the bigger crime. However, I think that it is important to recognize that Papadopolous lied initially (even deleted his FB like the FBI couldn't find his data). Then, when it became clear that they could start to make a case against Papadopolous with the emails they got access to and the obstruction charge looming, Papadopolous did the smartest thing he could do he turned and will only be charged with the obstruction charge with the FEDS suggesting a 0-6 month sentence. Papadopolous knew he had been the primary outreach and that no one, not even the administration, could save him. In fact, he was the smaller fish and would likely be the one to have everything hung on him. IMHO, he is smart to take this deal and admit lying before he gets stuck with the whole bag of garbage and prison for many years. AND, he is cooperating and probably will do whatever he can to keep his small amount of prison time to stick. He would be a fool to hold anything back now that he has this deal.

 

[CARIIS]

True, but still would not make one confess. Cops "sir did you commit this murder?" If you lie to me I'll charge you with obstruction of justice. Perp, oh no, I confess.

But at the end of the day he told the truth which is good

the truth will always win

IMO