Special Counsel Issues 1st Indictments

[TMAN2014]

So while some of you feel free to speculate about the "biggest crime story of the year," there sure is not much speculation in this topic on the Podestas. Why not? Is he the wrong political party, and not the POTUS that you don't like, who won the election fairly?

It seems there is more evidence of his involvement in crime and collusion, than the particular "big fish" you are all out to get. It seems this is more about finding a way to reach your wanted ending, than your interest in a fair investigation on actual crimes. You already know who you want convicted of a crime. If the investigation ensnares someone unexpected, I sense a lack of interest in pursuing those leads.

And this point is not throwing us off topic. If you want to speculate outside the indictments and actual facts, then we should be free to speculate about much more than just your chosen target.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-steps-down-from-lobbying-firm-after-manafort-indictment/

"Democratic lobbyist Tony Podesta stepped down from his firm, the Podesta Group, after he became part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, Politico reported on Monday.
see also

Manafort first to fall in Russia probe

The probe into Podesta, whose brother John was Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, arose from Mueller’s examination of the finances of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, and his work for former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who had links to the Kremlin."

 

[CARIIS]

If I misunderstood, what did you mean? "What do you think Manafort & Gates are doing, helping the FBI in their case against Papadopouls?

It is all very interconnected. In order for all of us to understand how we got to this historic week started years ago.

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[/FONT]The FBI wiretap on Paul Manafort is a big deal.
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they are done with the hard to spell. He is a witness and has helped them for the last quarter of a year helping get data on the others.

proactive cooperator

The nation is concerned that the very top folks agreed to do certain things Putin wanted done - if Putin would help get him in the office.

Because of widespread degree of criminality throughout the operation they were able to get man and the other guy.

It has been wildly reported in arenas other than FOX is who they are actually in is Jarod, Sessions, Flynn Carter ( his stuff is gonna be blockbuster- he was just running all over Moscow! He was under FISA court orders - renewed more than once!)

FIsa court basically - is a special top secret court of law that intel agencies must present there case to when trying to get court orders (permission) to seriously monitor US citizens.

They go to the top secret court and present evidence documenting the reasons why they are asking form permission to survey them 24/7 - think old spy movies .

No One was spying on any of these criminals. They all were however, stupid enough to start interacting often with Russian spies that had been under surveillance for years.

This shocked intel agencies across the globe.

All of these criminals were picked up on intel from russian spies we had been monitoring for years,

So we have been monitoring lets call him super spy sam!

All of a sudden SSS is on tape talking to manafort or carter or flynn about having dirt on Hillary, sanctions deals , how Russia would get him in (electoral college is how he got him in)

The court approved the operations. So the three of them are being followed, recorded, bugged etc etc etc .

So Mueller knows exactly which spies they all were talking to , what they were talking about etc etc .

As this moves along this will all come out .

But Carter was doing super intense stuff ( Russia used him -- he was easy) for the Russian spies.

This is info that has open source for months -- FOX does not report it so many do not know about all of this.

The FISA orders came out a long time ago. They were issued like two years ago.

Or to put it another way intel knew everything all of these people were doing with legendary Russian spies.

Carter Page Invokes Fifth Amendment in House Intelligence Interview

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page






https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f053ff30921_story.html?utm_term=.88dc8625392d


https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ions-about-the-manafort-investigation/540270/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...de-faces-scrutiny-amid-russia-probe-interview

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a742a6e93a7_story.html?utm_term=.6fdd8c16bfa3

 

[simba16]

If Tony Podesta is guilty of crimes ie conspiracy, money laundering, tax evasion, I want him indicted.

 

[bwt42]

He was a nobody who seems to have had more access and opportunity to represent than the administration and its surrogates would like us to think.

"Papadopoulos’ public role for the Trump campaign continued. In late September, just six weeks before Election Day, he gave an interview as a Trump campaign official to the Russian Interfax News Agency, where he said that Trump will “restore the trust” between the U.S. and Russia.


And he met with Israeli leaders during the inauguration in January as a foreign policy adviser for the newly-sworn in president. "We are looking forward to ushering in a new relationship with all of Israel, including the historic Judea and Samaria," Papadopoulos told the Jerusalem Post the following day." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...presented-trump-campaign-record-shows-n817421

He was unpaid and free to interject himself whenever & wherever he wanted. jmo

 

[kaen]

So while some of you feel free to speculate about the "biggest crime story of the year," there sure is not much speculation in this topic on the Podestas. Why not? Is he the wrong political party, and not the POTUS that you don't like, who won the election fairly?

RSBM

I will be happy to discuss him once he is further interviewed and his name starts being associated with an indictment. Right now, we know about as much of Podesta involvement as we do about Clovis and others. Those folks aren't getting a lot of air time here either. Yes, some might mention them but mostly it is about the indictees and the Carter Page who is openly talking about his meetings with Congress and his connections or lack of connection with the Russians on the part of the campaign.

While Manafort and Gates have not been indicted in relation to the Russia campaign investigation per se, they were supervisors in the campaign.

The "But, what about....." is probably why so many who have been posting here are remarking. In my mind, as soon as more comes out about Podesta and it is clear he is a subject or target, he would appear in my posts. I happen to be an equal opportunity despiser of people who commit crimes that undermine any government and/or election.

 

[bwt42]

Here he is , a nobody , sitting with the president of the USA the leading LE agent in the county!!

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...6XXAhWFRyYKHasQCfoQMwhZKBEwEQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

It was a photo op to show Trump had foreign affairs credibility.

 

[simba16]

In the Steele dossier Carter Page, under coordination by Paul Manafort, meets in Moscow July 2016 with Igor Diveykin, a Kremlin intelligence official. Last night's New York Times article did not give name of official Page met with but I wonder if that name will come out soon.

 

[kaen]

He was unpaid and free to interject himself whenever & wherever he wanted. jmo

As were Manafort and Gates and Kushner and Clovis. However, when one interjects themselves and are seeking illegally obtained materials from a foreign government, that is known and seen as a crime, which is precisely what is being investigated.

A side note: Papadopolous answered questions and postulated about potential policy under the umbrella of being on Trump's Foreign Policy Committee. He was not on a Foreign Policy panel as GP the "I showed up to this event so I could learn more or share my knowledge" man. He was invited by virtue of Mr. Trump's mention that he was on his committee. Most of the people on panels are not just schmoes who just decide to present.

 

[bwt42]

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page

[FONT=&amp]CNN reported that Manafort had been the [/FONT][FONT=&amp] issued under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, before and after the 2016 presidential election.

[/FONT]The FBI wiretap on Paul Manafort is a big deal.
[FONT=&amp]

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they are done with the hard to spell. He is a witness and has helped them for the last quarter of a year helping get data on the others.

proactive cooperator

The nation is concerned that the very top folks agreed to do certain things Putin wanted done - if Putin would help get him in the office.

Because of widespread degree of criminality throughout the operation they were able to get man and the other guy.

It has been wildly reported in arenas other than FOX is who they are actually in is Jarod, Sessions, Flynn Carter ( his stuff is gonna be blockbuster- he was just running all over Moscow! He was under FISA court orders - renewed more than once!)

FIsa court basically - is a special top secret court of law that intel agencies must present there case to when trying to get court orders (permission) to seriously monitor US citizens.

They go to the top secret court and present evidence documenting the reasons why they are asking form permission to survey them 24/7 - think old spy movies .

No One was spying on any of these criminals. They all were however, stupid enough to start interacting often with Russian spies that had been under surveillance for years.

This shocked intel agencies across the globe.

All of these criminals were picked up on intel from russian spies we had been monitoring for years,

So we have been monitoring lets call him super spy sam!

All of a sudden SSS is on tape talking to manafort or carter or flynn about having dirt on Hillary, sanctions deals , how Russia would get him in (electoral college is how he got him in)

The court approved the operations. So the three of them are being followed, recorded, bugged etc etc etc .

So Mueller knows exactly which spies they all were talking to , what they were talking about etc etc .

As this moves along this will all come out .

But Carter was doing super intense stuff ( Russia used him -- he was easy) for the Russian spies.

Carter Page Invokes Fifth Amendment in House Intelligence Interview






https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f053ff30921_story.html?utm_term=.88dc8625392d


https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ions-about-the-manafort-investigation/540270/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...de-faces-scrutiny-amid-russia-probe-interview

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a742a6e93a7_story.html?utm_term=.6fdd8c16bfa3

I don't know why you copied my post as your response had nothing to do with it.

 

[simba16]

It was a photo op to show Trump had foreign affairs credibility.

Posters here have provided links with NBC reports that show Papadopoulos was representing Trump even after inauguration.

 

[CARIIS]

So while some of you feel free to speculate about the "biggest crime story of the year," there sure is not much speculation in this topic on the Podestas. Why not? Is he the wrong political party, and not the POTUS that you don't like, who won the election fairly?

It seems there is more evidence of his involvement in crime and collusion, than the particular "big fish" you are all out to get. It seems this is more about finding a way to reach your wanted ending, than your interest in a fair investigation on actual crimes. You already know who you want convicted of a crime. If the investigation ensnares someone unexpected, I sense a lack of interest in pursuing those leads.

And this point is not throwing us off topic. If you want to speculate outside the indictments and actual facts, then we should be free to speculate about much more than just your chosen target.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-steps-down-from-lobbying-firm-after-manafort-indictment/

"Democratic lobbyist Tony Podesta stepped down from his firm, the Podesta Group, after he became part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, Politico reported on Monday.
see also

Manafort first to fall in Russia probe

The probe into Podesta, whose brother John was Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, arose from Mueller’s examination of the finances of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, and his work for former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who had links to the Kremlin."

If they start an investigation that is really big news as well.

 

[simba16]

So while some of you feel free to speculate about the "biggest crime story of the year," there sure is not much speculation in this topic on the Podestas. Why not? Is he the wrong political party, and not the POTUS that you don't like, who won the election fairly?

It seems there is more evidence of his involvement in crime and collusion, than the particular "big fish" you are all out to get.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-steps-down-from-lobbying-firm-after-manafort-indictment/

"Democratic lobbyist Tony Podesta stepped down from his firm, the Podesta Group, after he became part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, Politico reported on Monday.
see also

Manafort first to fall in Russia probe

The probe into Podesta, whose brother John was Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, arose from Mueller’s examination of the finances of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, and his work for former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who had links to the Kremlin."

Provide your evidence of Podesta's crime, collusion.

 

[CARIIS]

Posters here have provided links with NBC reports that show Papadopoulos was representing Trump even after inauguration.

The dude is meetings with these people!

The same thing was said about Manafort- he was nothing!!

 

[kaen]

It was a photo op to show Trump had foreign affairs credibility.

A photo-op designed to show the American people that Mr. Trump was making plans for foreign policy with a team of experts who were to engender faith in the ability of this potential administration. When they are discussing foreign policy and showing them at a meeting about foreign policy, why would one assume that no foreign policy matters are discussed. JD Gordon has said publicly that Papadopolous did present a meeting opportunity with Trump and Putin based on his contacts, Trump listened and Sessions ultimately said they would pass----so Gordon, who was sitting next to Papadopolous and has been described as a foreign policy committee member seems to be saying that this was discussed as were other foreign policy matters. Not a photo op, a meeting with the future president of the US. www.cnn.com/2017/11/03/politics/jd-gordon-trump-papadopoulos/index.html

You can pick it apart as much as you would like. But, there is real data that this was a real meeting.

 

[bwt42]

Posters here have provided links with NBC reports that show Papadopoulos was representing Trump even after inauguration.

True, but I was only commenting on the photo's

 

[bwt42]

The dude is meetings with these people!

The same thing was said about Manafort- he was nothing!!

I am not aware of anyone on this thread calling Manafort a nothing. I'm sure somebody somewhere may have said Manafort was a nothing. There's a good chance somebody somewhere has called me a nothing.

 

[cady]

It's helping my case. He was a nobody.

hmmmm. Who paid for Mr. Nobody's across the pond junkets? Nice benefits for a volunteer with nothing to offer. JMO

 

[bwt42]

Posters here have provided links with NBC reports that show Papadopoulos was representing Trump even after inauguration.

Not questioning that

 

[cady]

The dude is meetings with these people!

The same thing was said about Manafort- he was nothing!!

"Paulie, we hardly knew ya"

 

[CARIIS]

Although there has been no trial, I'm pretty sure Manafort & Gates are guilty of the crimes they have been indicted for. They may be guilty of more crimes but I will wait for evidence rather than speculate

A lot of this is the way the media is picking it up.

The money stuff is important but IMO out of the 12 the FARA charges are very damning for the top of the entire organization.

The reason why they needed to fill out the form is cause Trump appointed them somewhere.

The Fara charges have profound implications for the whole gang. It is kinda like if you run Brinks money pick up company and it comes out that you have been hiring convicted bank robbers to drive your truck -- you got a problem!

Clearly Donald cant not know that Manafort left off 47 business dealings that he left off his documentation. That translates directly too Trump being complicit in covering up Manaforts lies.



The FARA is is national security, Sessions Jr Jarod Ivanka have all lied on these forms

Simply put it is like an application to get the top top positions in the USA govt.

They committed felonies (Manafort FLynn and Carter )perjured themselves by hiding that they were being paid by enemies of the United States fo America.

That is serious threat to the security of the nation.

Basically as it rolls along follow the working for enemies of our nation. Everyone throughout the top of the admin knows this. Every Time each of them got caught lying about another paycheck from one of our enemies- they all would go back and add it on!

If i work for Mcdonald's and am not supposed to have worked with Burger King! and lie that I did , get caught , go back and put it on.

The problem was that as time went by they all had lied about having relationships with Wendys, Fuddruckers, Five Guys, Dairy Queen, KFC, Taco Bell etc etc etc

Then when asked do you remember working for Burger King they lied! Then they slowly had to admit that they might recall something about working at Burger King!!

The bombshell yesterday was Carter finally came out and admitted that he worked at Burger King AND that many many top folks knew all along that he lied about it .

That is huge -- but it was a Friday news dump ! It should get big play next week!



[FONT=&amp]The indictment contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.[/FONT]