Special Counsel Issues 1st Indictments

[simba16]

I am not aware of anyone on this thread calling Manafort a nothing. I'm sure somebody somewhere may have said Manafort was a nothing. There's a good chance somebody somewhere has called me a nothing.

Trump's people have tried to downplay Manafort's, Flynn's roles in campaign.

 

[bwt42]

A photo-op designed to show the American people that Mr. Trump was making plans for foreign policy with a team of experts who were to engender faith in the ability of this potential administration. When they are discussing foreign policy and showing them at a meeting about foreign policy, why would one assume that no foreign policy matters are discussed. JD Gordon has said publicly that Papadopolous did present a meeting opportunity with Trump and Putin based on his contacts, Trump listened and Sessions ultimately said they would pass----so Gordon, who was sitting next to Papadopolous and has been described as a foreign policy committee member seems to be saying that this was discussed as were other foreign policy matters. Not a photo op, a meeting with the future president of the US. www.cnn.com/2017/11/03/politics/jd-gordon-trump-papadopoulos/index.html

You can pick it apart as much as you would like. But, there is real data that this was a real meeting.

I'm still not convinced this meeting was more than a PR stunt. Most likely there was conversation at the meeting. Papadopoulos was an imposter. jmo

 

[simba16]

MSNBC will present "On Assignment" with famed journalist Richard Engel at 6pm this Sunday. Engel will detail Manafort's connection with Russian oligarch, money trail. The Daily Beast reported on Manafort's tie with notorious Russian mobster.

 

[bwt42]

Provide your evidence of Podesta's crime, collusion.

I don't believe there is a crime called collusion.

 

[kaen]

I'm still not convinced this meeting was more than a PR stunt. Most likely there was conversation at the meeting. Papadopoulos was an imposter. jmo

I think the investigators are convinced. Papadopolous was an "imposter" with DT's seal of approval (WP comment). I think he was highly unqualified and an embarrassment to those who have studied and worked on foreign policy but that is neither here nor there. He was a named advisor.

 

[CARIIS]

Here is some of the actual form -- they are in very deep doo doo

INSTRUCTION SHEET-READ CAREFULLY1. Use. All persons required to register under this Act shall use this form in submitting the information required by Section2(a).2. Read Act and Rules. Registrant should carefully read the Act and the Rules thereunder before completing this form.3. Answer. Unless otherwise specifically instructed in this form, a registrant shall answer every item on this form. Wheneverthe item is inapplicable or the appropriate response to an item is "none", an express statement to that effect shall be made.4. Attachments. Inserts and riders of less than full page size shall not be used. Whenever insufficient space is provided forresponse to any item, reference shall be made in such space to a full insert page or pages on which the item number andinquiry shall be restated and a complete answer given.5. Filing. The completed statement, including all exhibits, shall be filed in electronic form with the Registration Unit,Counterintelligence and Export Control Section, National Security Division, U.S. Department of Justice at . The statement must be filed in accordance with 28 U.S.C. § 1746. A copy should be retained by theregistrant.https://www.fara.gov6. Filing Fee. The filing of this document requires the payment of a filing fee for each listed foreign principal as set forth inRule 5(d)(1), 28 C.F.R. § 5.5(d)(1).7. Privacy Act Statement. The filing of this document is required for the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, as amended,22 U.S.C. § 611 et seq., for the purposes of registration under the Act and public disclosure. Provision of the informationrequested is mandatory, and failure to provide the information is subject to the penalty and enforcement provisionsestablished in Section 8 of the Act. Every registration statement, short form registration statement, supplemental statement,exhibit, amendment, copy of informational materials or other document or information filed with the Attorney General underthis Act is a public record open to public examination, inspection and copying during the posted business hours of theRegistration Unit in Washington, DC. Statements are also available online at the Registration Unit’s webpage:https://www.fara.gov . One copy of every such document, other than informational materials, is automatically provided to theSecretary of State pursuant to Section 6(b) of the Act, and copies of any and all documents are routinely made available toother agencies, departments and Congress pursuant to Section 6(c) of the Act. The Attorney General also transmits a semiannualreport to Congress on the administration of the Act which lists the names of all agents registered under the Act and theforeign principals they represent. This report is available to the public in print and online at: https://www.fara.gov .8. Public Reporting Burden. Public reporting burden for this collection of information is estimated to average 1.375 hours perresponse, including the time for reviewing instructions, searching existing data sources, gathering and maintaining the dataneeded, and completing and reviewing the collection of information. Send comments regarding this burden estimate or anyother aspect of this collection of information, including suggestions for reducing this burden to Chief, Registration Unit,Counterintelligence and Export Control Section, National Security Division, U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, DC20530; and to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Office of Management and Budget, Washington, DC 20503.__________Note: Omit this instruction sheet when filing this Statement.FORM NSD-1Revised 05/17U.S. Department of JusticeWashington, DC 20530I--REGISTRANT1. Name of Registrant2. Registration No. (To Be Assigned By the FARA Registration Unit)3. Principal Business Address4. If the registrant is an individual, furnish the following information: (a) Residence address(es) (b) Other business address(es), if any (c) Nationality (d) Year of birth (e) Present citizenship (f) If present citizenship not acquired by birth, state when, where and how acquired (g) Occupation5. If the registrant is not an individual, furnish the following information: (a) Type of organization: Committee □ Association □ Partnership □ Voluntary group □ Corporation □ Other (specify) ______________________ (b) Date and place of organization (c) Address of principal office (d) Name of person in charge (e) Locations of branch or local offices (f) If a membership organization, give number of membersRevised 05/17FORM NSD-1OMB No. 1124-0001; Expires May 31, 2020Registration StatementPursuant to the Foreign Agents

I--REGISTRANT1. Name of Registrant2. Registration No. (To Be Assigned By the FARA Registration Unit)3. Principal Business Address4. If the registrant is an individual, furnish the following information: (a) Residence address(es) (b) Other business address(es), if any (c) Nationality (d) Year of birth (e) Present citizenship (f) If present citizenship not acquired by birth, state when, where and how acquired (g) Occupation5. If the registrant is not an individual, furnish the following information: (a) Type of organization: Committee □ Association □ Partnership □ Voluntary group □ Corporation □ Other (specify) ______________________ (b) Date and place of organization (c) Address of principal office (d) Name of person in charge (e) Locations of branch or local offices (f) If a membership organization, give number of membersRevised 05/17FORM NSD-1OMB No. 1124-0001; Expires May 31, 2020Registration StatementPursuant to the Foreign Agents Registration Act of1938, as amended (PAGE 2) (g) List all partners, officers, directors or persons performing the functions of an officer or director of the registrant.Name Residence Address(es) Position Nationality (h) Which of the above named persons renders services directly in furtherance of the interests of any of the foreign principals? (i) Describe the nature of the registrant's regular business or activity. (j) Give a complete statement of the ownership and control of the registrant.6. List all employees who render services to the registrant directly in furtherance of the interests of any of the foreign principals inother than a clerical, secretarial, or in a related or similar capacity.Name Residence Address(es) Nature of Services(PAGE 3)II--FOREIGN PRINCIPAL7. List every foreign principal1 for whom the registrant is acting or has agreed to act.Foreign Principal Principal Address(es)III--ACTIVITIES8. In addition to the activities described in any Exhibit B to this statement, will you engage or are you engaging now in activity on your own behalf which benefits any or all of your foreign principals? Yes □ No □If yes, describe fully.IV--FINANCIAL INFORMATION9. (a) RECEIPTS-MONIESDuring the period beginning 60 days prior to the date of your obligation to register2 to the time of filing this statement,did you receive from any foreign principal named in Item 7 any contribution, income, or money either as compensation or fordisbursement or otherwise? Yes □ No □If yes, set forth below in the required detail and separately for each such foreign principal an account of such monies.3Foreign Principal Purpose AmountTotal1 The term "foreign principal," as defined in Section 1(b) of the Act, includes a foreign government, foreign political party, foreign organization, foreign individual and, for thepurpose of registration, an organization or an individual any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or inmajor part by a foreign government, foreign political party, foreign organization or foreign individual.2 An agent must register within ten days of becoming an agent, and before acting as such.3 A registrant is required to file an Exhibit D if he collects or receives contributions, loans, moneys, or other things of value for a foreign principal, as part of a fundraisingcampaign. There is no printed form for this exhibit. (See Rule 201(e), 28 C.F.R. § 5.201(e)).Date Received(PAGE 4)(b) RECEIPTS-THINGS OF VALUEDuring the period beginning 60 days prior to the date of your obligation to register4 to the time of filing this statement, did youreceive from any foreign principal named in Item 7 anything of value5 other than money, either as compensation, or fordisbursement, or otherwise? Yes □ No □If yes, furnish the following information:Foreign Principal Date Received Thing of Value Purpose10. (a) DISBURSEMENT-MONIESDuring the period beginning 60 days prior to the date of your obligation to register6 to the time of filing this statement, did youspend or disburse any money in furtherance of or in connection with your activities on behalf of any foreign principal named inItem 7? Yes □ No □If yes, set forth below in the required detail and separately for each such foreign principal named including monies transmitted,if any, to each foreign principal. Date To Whom Purpose Amount(b) DISBURSEMENTS-THINGS OF VALUEDuring the period beginning 60 days prior to the date of your obligation to register7 to the time of filing this statement, did youdispose of any thing of value8 other than money in furtherance of or in connection with your activities on behalf of any foreignprincipal named in Item 7? Yes □ No □If yes, furnish the following informationate Recipient Foreign Principal Thing of Value Purpose(c) DISBURSEMENTS-POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONSDuring the period beginning 60 days prior to the date of your obligation to register9 to the time of filing this statement, did you,the registrant, or any short form registrant, make any contribution of money or other thing of value from your own funds and onyour own behalf in connection with an election to any political office or in connection with any primary election, convention, orcaucus held to select candidates for any political office? Yes □ No □If yes, furnish the following informationate Amount or Thing of Value Location of Event4, 6, 7 and 9 See Footnote 2, on page 3.5 and 8 Things of value include but are not limited to gifts, interest free loans, expense free travel, favored stock purchases, exclusive rights, favored treatment over competitors,"kickbacks", and the like.Political Organization or Candidate(PAGE 5)V--INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS1011. Will the activities of the registrant on behalf of any foreign principal include the preparation or dissemination of informational materials? Yes □ No □ IF YES, RESPOND TO THE REMAINING ITEMS IN THIS SECTION V.12. Identify each such foreign principal.13. Has a budget been established or specified sum of money allocated to finance your activities in preparing or disseminating informational materials? Yes □ No □ If yes, identify each such foreign principal, specify amount and for what period of time.14. Will any public relations firms or publicity agents participate in the preparation or dissemination of such informational materials?Yes □ No □ If yes, furnish the names and addresses of such persons or firms.15. Activities in preparing or disseminating informational materials will include the use of the following:□ Radio or TV broadcasts □ Magazine or newspaper □ Motion picture films □ Letters or telegrams□ Advertising campaigns □ Press releases □ Pamphlets or other publications □ Lectures or speeches□ Other (specify) _____________________________________________________________________________________________Electronic Communications□ Email□ Website URL(s): _____________________________________________________________________________________________□ Social media website URL(s): ________________________________________________________________________________□ Other (specify) _______________________________________________________________________________________________16. Informational materials will be disseminated among the following groups:□ Public officials □ Civic groups or associations□ Legislators □ Libraries□ Government agencies □ Educational groups□ Newspapers □ Nationality groups□ Editors □ Other (specify) _____________________________17. Indicate language to be used in the informational materials:□ English □ Other (specify) ___________________________10 The term informational materials includes any oral, visual, graphic, written, or pictorial information or matter of any kind, including that published by means of advertising,books, periodicals, newspapers, lectures, broadcasts, motion pictures, or any means or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce or otherwise. Informational materialsdisseminated by an agent of a foreign principal as part of an activity in itself exempt from registration, or an activity which by itself would not require registration, need not befiled pursuant to Section 4(b) of the Act. (PAGE 6)VI--EXHIBITS AND ATTACHMENTS18. (a) The following described exhibits shall be filed with an initial registration statement: Exhibit A- This exhibit, which is filed on Form NSD-3, sets forth the information required to be disclosed concerning eachforeign principal named in Item 7. Exhibit B- This exhibit, which is filed on Form NSD-4, sets forth the information concerning the agreement or understandingbetween the registrant and the foreign principal. (b) An Exhibit C shall be filed when applicable. This exhibit, for which no printed form is provided, consists of a true copy ofthe charter, articles of incorporation, association, constitution, and bylaws of a registrant that is an organization. A waiver ofthe requirement to file an Exhibit C may be obtained for good cause shown upon written application to the Assistant AttorneyGeneral, National Security Division, U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, DC 20530. (See Rule 201(c) and (d)). (c) An Exhibit D shall be filed when applicable. This exhibit, for which no printed form is provided, sets forth an account ofmoney collected or received as a result of a fundraising campaign and transmitted for a foreign principal. (See Rule 201 (e)).VII--EXECUTIONIn accordance with 28 U.S.C. § 1746, the undersigned swear(s) or affirm(s) under penalty of perjury that he/she has (they have) readthe information set forth in this registration statement and the attached exhibits and that he/she is (they are) familiar with the contentsthereof and that such contents are in their entirety true and accurate to the best of his/her (their) knowledge and belief, except that theundersigned make(s) no representation as to truth or accuracy of the information contained in the attached Short Form RegistrationStatement(s), if any, insofar as such information is not within his/her (their) personal knowledge.(Date of signature) (Print or type name under each signature or provid

https://www.fara.gov/forms/2017/OMB_1124_0001.pdf

 

[bwt42]

hmmmm. Who paid for Mr. Nobody's across the pond junkets? Nice benefits for a volunteer with nothing to offer. JMO

I have wondered this from the get go. I'm surprised the media hasn't explored this.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I suspect that many posters do. I look at evidence, not what I want to see.

 

[CARIIS]

This is the FARA indictment stuff is related to

Here is one you fill out when for some reason your memory magically kicks in or you get caught committing a felony on the first form

Jarod did this endless times. IIRC Manafort initially said eff it I am not bothering!!

FLynn kept going back too

U.S. Department of Justice Amendment to Registration StatementWashington, DC 20530 Pursuant to the Foreign Agents Registration Act of1938, as amendedINSTRUCTIONS. File this amendment form for any changes to a registration. Compliance is accomplished by filing an electronic amendment toregistration statement and uploading any supporting documents at https://www.fara.gov .Privacy Act Statement. The filing of this document is required for the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, as amended, 22 U.S.C. § 611 et seq.,for the purposes of registration under the Act and public disclosure. Provision of the information requested is mandatory, and failure to provide theinformation is subject to the penalty and enforcement provisions established in Section 8 of the Act. Every registration statement, short formregistration statement, supplemental statement, exhibit, amendment, copy of informational materials or other document or information filed with theAttorney General under this Act is a public record open to public examination, inspection and copying during the posted business hours of theRegistration Unit in Washington, DC. Statements are also available online at the Registration Unit’s webpage: https://www.fara.gov . One copy ofevery such document, other than informational materials, is automatically provided to the Secretary of State pursuant to Section 6(b) of the Act, andcopies of any and all documents are routinely made available to other agencies, departments and Congress pursuant to Section 6(c) of the Act. TheAttorney General also transmits a semi-annual report to Congress on the administration of the Act which lists the names of all agents registered underthe Act and the foreign principals they represent. This report is available to the public in print and online at: https://www.fara.gov .Public Reporting Burden. Public reporting burden for this collection of information is estimated to average 1.5 hours per response, including thetime for reviewing instructions, searching existing data sources, gathering and maintaining the data needed, and completing and reviewing thecollection of information. Send comments regarding this burden estimate or any other aspect of this collection of information, including suggestionsfor reducing this burden to Chief, Registration Unit, Counterintelligence and Export Control Section, National Security Division, U.S. Department ofJustice, Washington, DC 20530; and to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Office of Management and Budget, Washington, DC 20503.1. Name of Registrant 2. Registration No.3. This amendment is filed to accomplish the following indicated purpose or purposes:□ To give a 10-day notice of change in information as required by Section 2(b) of the Act.□ To correct a deficiency in□ Initial Statement□ Supplemental Statement for the period ending _______________________________________□ Other purpose (specify) _________________________________________________________□ To give notice of change in an exhibit previously filed.4. If this amendment requires the filing of a document or documents, please list:5. Each item checked above must be explained below in full detail together with, where appropriate, specific reference to and identityof the item in the registration statement to which it pertains. (If space is insufficient, a full insert page must be used.)Revised 05/17FORM NSD-5 EXECUTIONIn accordance with 28 U.S.C. § 1746, the undersigned swear(s) or affirm(s) under penalty of perjury that he/she has (they have) readthe information set forth in this registration statement and the attached exhibits and that he/she is (they are) familiar with the contentsthereof and that such contents are in their entirety true and accurate to the best of his/her (their) knowledge and belief, except that theundersigned make(s) no representation as to the truth or accuracy of the information contained in the attached Short Form RegistrationStatement(s), if any, insofar as such information is not within his/her (their) personal knowledge.(Date of signature)________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________¹ This statement shall be signed by the individual agent, if the registrant is an individual, or by a majority of those partners, officers,

https://www.fara.gov/forms/2017/OMB_1124_0003.pdf

 

[kaen]

If you can't properly fill out a form, you probably shouldn't have a security clearance level higher than a private citizen like me.

 

[CARIIS]

Here is the beginning of a letter to the guy they fired last week the same day it was announced that indictments are going to be rolling out ...notice there is a lot of FARA here -- which is what both of have charges againist them for



The Honorable Dana BoenteActing Deputy Attorney GeneralU.S. Department of Justice950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.Washington, DC 20530Dear Mr. Boente:Over the past few years, the Committee has repeatedly contacted the Department ofJustice to raise concerns about the Department’s lack of enforcement of the Foreign AgentsRegistration Act (“FARA&#8221. I write regarding the Department’s response to the alleged failureof pro-Russia lobbyists to register under FARA. In July of 2016, Mr. William Browder filed aformal FARA complaint with the Justice Department regarding Fusion GPS, Rinat Akhmetshin,and their associates.1 His complaint alleged that lobbyists working for Russian interests in acampaign to oppose the pending Global Magnitsky Act failed to register under FARA and theLobbying Disclosure Act of 1995. The Committee needs to understand what actions the JusticeDepartment has taken in response to the information in Mr. Browder’s complaint. The issue is ofparticular concern to the Committee given that when Fusion GPS reportedly was acting as anunregistered agent of Russian interests, it appears to have been simultaneously overseeing thecreation of the unsubstantiated dossier of allegations of a conspiracy between the Trumpcampaign and the Russians.Mr. Browder is the CEO of Hermitage Capital Management (“Hermitage&#8221, aninvestment firm that at one time was the largest foreign portfolio investor in Russia. Accordingto the Justice Department, in 2007, Russian government officials and members of organizedcrime engaged in corporate identity theft, stealing the corporate identities of three Hermitagecompanies and using them to fraudulently obtain $230 million.2 The $230 million was thenextensively laundered into accounts outside of Russia. When Hermitage learned of the situation,its attorneys, including Mr. Sergei Magnitsky, investigated. In December of 2007, Hermitagefiled criminal complaints with law enforcement agencies in Russia, complaints which identifiedthe Russian government officials who had been involved. In response, the Russian government 1 Complaint Regarding the Violation of US Lobbying Laws by the Human Rights Accountability Global InitiativeFoundation and Others, Hermitage Capital Management (July 15, 2016) (“Browder Complaint&#8221 (attached). 2 Second Amended Verified Complaint, U.S. v. Prevezon Holdings Ltd., et al., No. 13-cv-6326, ECF 381 (SDNY)(“DOJ Complaint&#8221 (attached). Mr. Dana Boente March 31, 2017 Page 2 of 6assigned the case to the very officials involved in the crime, who then arrested Mr. Magnitskyand kept him in pretrial detention for nearly a year, until he died under highly suspiciouscircumstances after being beaten by guards and denied medical treatment.In response to this brazen violation of human rights, Congress passed the bipartisanSergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012 (“Magnitsky Act&#8221, which was signedinto law by President Obama. The law authorized sanctions against those who the Presidentdetermined were responsible for Mr. Magnitsky’s detention and death, those who financiallybenefitted from it, and those involved in the criminal conspiracy he had uncovered. The law alsoauthorized sanctions against those the President determined were responsible for otherextrajudicial killings, torture, or human rights violations committed against individuals seekingto promote human rights or expose illegal activity carried out by Russian government officials.The sanctions involved banning the identified individuals from the U.S. and authorizing thePresident to use the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to freeze their property,provided that the property is in the United States. President Obama initially identified 18 suchindividuals, and subsequently added others.The Russian government responded to the Magnitsky Act by prohibiting all adoptions ofRussian children by United States citizens. It similarly put out a list of 18 U.S. governmentofficials banned from Russia.In 2013, the Department of Justice initiated a civil asset forfeiture case against PrevezonHoldings, a company owned by Russian Denis Katsyv, the son of a former Russian governmentminister.3 The Justice Department argued that his company had received millions of thelaundered $230 million from the conspiracy Mr. Magnitsky discovered, and had used it topurchase real estate in New York.4 Additionally, in 2015, Senators Cardin and McCainintroduced the Global Magnitsky Act, which would extend the Magnitsky sanctions frameworkto human rights violators across the globe.As detailed in press accounts and in Mr. Browder’s FARA complaint, in response tothese actions, Prevezon Holdings and the Russian government began a lobbying campaignpurportedly designed to try to: repeal the Magnitsky Act; remove the name “Magnitsky” fromthe Global Magnitsky Act and delay its progress; and cast doubt on the Justice Department’sversion of events regarding the corporate identity theft of Hermitage’s companies, thefraudulently obtained $230 million, and the death of Mr. Magnitsky.5 3 U.S. v. Prevezon Holdings Ltd., et al., No. 13-cv-6326 (SDNY). 4 DOJ Complaint, supra note 2. 5 Browder Complaint, supra note 1; see Isaac Arnsdorf, FARA Complaint Alleges Pro-Russian Lobbying, POLITICO(Dec. 8, 2016); Michael Weiss, Putin’s Dirty Game in the U.S. Congress, THE DAILY BEAST (May 18, 2016); MikeEckel, Russian ‘Gun-For-Hire’ Lurks in Shadows of Washington’s Lobbying World, RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIOLIBERTY (July 17, 2016); Isaac Arnsdorf, From Russia, With Love?, POLITICO (Aug. 17, 2016); Chuck Ross, OppoResearcher Behind Trump Dossier Is Linked to Pro-Kremlin Lobbying Effort, THE DAILY CALLER (Jan. 13, 2017);Isaac Arnsdorf and Benjamin Oreskes, Putin’s Favorite Congressman, POLITICO (Nov. 23, 2016). Mr. Dana Boente March 31, 2017 Page 3 of 6 Prevezon’s lobbying efforts were reportedly commissi

https://www.investigace.cz/wp-conte...agnitsky-FARA-violations-with-attachments.pdf

 

[bwt42]

I think the investigators are convinced. Papadopolous was an "imposter" with DT's seal of approval (WP comment). I think he was highly unqualified and an embarrassment to those who have studied and worked on foreign policy but that is neither here nor there. He was a named advisor.

Big mistake. In their rush to add foreign policy "experts" the campaign didn't check out his credentials.

 

[CARIIS]

I don't believe there is a crime called collusion.

You are correct there is not --the hard spell confession was amazing -- and I am sure there is much much more -- they just had to put in enough to meet the requirements for the indictment tmoo

Just think about this -- relentless efforts to create a face to face --overt statements that all involved know this is against the law, and cant ever be found out.

 

[CARIIS]

Big mistake. In their rush to add foreign policy "experts" the campaign didn't check out his credentials.

There is much more nuance to this. IMO. The relentless claim we had nothing to do with RUssians while an avalanche of provable evidence (emails) that many many many top aides were trying to get the two together to discuss how they both might help each other out a bit here abit there a bit over there and a bit over here now that is collusion .

Not a formal charge - but this is all very very dirty stuff

The port a potty has been opened and cleaning has began!!

 

[CARIIS]

I have wondered this from the get go. I'm surprised the media hasn't explored this.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I suspect that many posters do. I look at evidence, not what I want to see.

We are all discussing the tremendous amount of new information that has exploded into the bright sunlight!

 

[CARIIS]

creepy I am typing in Manafort and getting this !!

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[bwt42]

There is much more nuance to this. IMO. The relentless claim we had nothing to do with RUssians while an avalanche of provable evidence (emails) that many many many top aides were trying to get the two together to discuss how they both might help each other out a bit here abit there a bit over there and a bit over here now that is collusion .

Not a formal charge - but this is all very very dirty stuff

The port a potty has been opened and cleaning has began!!

Again, there is no collusion just because people have met or attempt to meet. The collusion would apply if they met to effect the outcome of the election. I'm open to this as a possibility, but there is no evidence of this now. This is what Mueller was appointed for.

 

[CARIIS]

Again, there is no collusion just because people have met or attempt to meet. The collusion would apply if they met to effect the outcome of the election. I'm open to this as a possibility, but there is no evidence of this now. This is what Mueller was appointed for.

I think the deal is why did so many people lie for so long and so often and in such stupid ways about interacting with top russian spies?

There certainly is nothing wrong with a meeting -- but IMO one must be curious as to why so many people have put themselves facing serious jail time for wanting to have a cheeseburger and chat about the weather??

I cant be meeting people as the CEO of GM if I have not been hired to be the CEo !

Although much of this curious interaction with an enemy of our country continued after inauguration , if I am understanding this correctly - I think so much of this contact that has been so lied about might be because it was during the campaign??

Why would everyone be denying , at personal peril about an innocent meeting ??

ANy ideas??

that is a good point - we are going to have to wait and see... it feels as if stuff is rolling now -- there were a lot of heavy hitters behind closed doors at the congress investigations this past week

 

[CARIIS]

Again, there is no collusion just because people have met or attempt to meet. The collusion would apply if they met to effect the outcome of the election. I'm open to this as a possibility, but there is no evidence of this now. This is what Mueller was appointed for.

He was appointed to determine if there were contacts between campaign officials and Russians

The confession clearly indicates there was. Carters bombshell yesterday clearly indicates there was.

That guy that was gonna be agricultural guy stepping down is there

Sessions is rising to the top of the problem now as well -- there are only so minutes in a day ha !!


Here is the actual appointment

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...nt-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html

 

[CARIIS]

I don't know why you copied my post as your response had nothing to do with it.

opps hit wrong button sorry about that !!

 

[CARIIS]

It was a photo op to show Trump had foreign affairs credibility.

oh brother that is just as scary !!!