State Motion to recover Investigative Costs

[RR0004]

I don't recall which thread it was in but IIRC someone (?JB) applied for her license to be renewed immediately after she was released.....

...then there's always those pesky seizures to deal with.

 

[krkrjx]

I'm pretty sure she'll file bankruptcy to avoid paying for anything.

She may file bankruptcy and totally wipe this out. Or, she may file and be ordered by the bankruptcy court to pay some portion of it. Or, she may file and be deemed ineligible for any bankruptcy relief.

Bankruptcy laws changed a while back and it is not as easy to file now as it once was. All filings are scutinized carefully, and the eligibility requirements are much more strict than they once were.

It would be pretty cool, though, to see her file and have all her debts wiped out, and then the court finds out she had some cash stashed somewhere all along. Ooooh, yeah...that's what I want for Christmas!

 

[azwriter]

Someone mentioned Casey getting a job. She doesn't need a job. Let her sell plasma every month. I did it to pay for my college text books. She can do the same. Where I live, you can earn up to $55 by giving twice a month.

It's time to pay up Casey!

jmo

 

[lauriej]

She may file bankruptcy and totally wipe this out. Or, she may file and be ordered by the bankruptcy court to pay some portion of it. Or, she may file and be deemed ineligible for any bankruptcy relief.

Bankruptcy laws changed a while back and it is not as easy to file now as it once was. All filings are scutinized carefully, and the eligibility requirements are much more strict than they once were.

It would be pretty cool, though, to see her file and have all her debts wiped out, and then the court finds out she had some cash stashed somewhere all along. Ooooh, yeah...that's what I want for Christmas!

..sorry "no link"--it may have even been in the legal thread a while back..

..that stated bankruptcy does not include costs owed to the Court, or the IRS.

..in fact i'll drop by there now and check it out for certain...."AZ" will let us know!

 

[Intermezzo]

If its a legal order then yes I would hope that it was enforced. How can that take place? I guess thru a collection agency. Those guys can be pretty tough. Unless someone takes her under their wing for the rest of her life and provides for her, how could she escape this?

I don't know for certain if Florida does, but I have worked for a Gov't Agency and with so much delinquency they did employ the services of a Collection Agency to recover unpaid fees from individuals.

The staff was not aware that this method was being used until people came into the office in a panic when they got the letter from the collection agency...at that point we could no longer help them and they had to deal with the collection agency

 

[believe09]

I am thrilled because it paves the way for the rest of the money people are trying to recover. If OCSO receives reimbursement, why not the FBI? Why not TES? Why not Padilla? and so on and so on and so on....

Why not me for the time I spent worrying and wondering about her child? Why not every civilian searcher??

Make sense?

 

[cityslick]

If its a legal order then yes I would hope that it was enforced. How can that take place? I guess thru a collection agency. Those guys can be pretty tough. Unless someone takes her under their wing for the rest of her life and provides for her, how could she escape this?

Well, I go back to OJ. The Goldmans won a civil suit and as far as I can recall, they were never paid for any of that (or at least a large majority). OJ Simpson was not broke, no matter what he said.

 

[cityslick]

I am thrilled because it paves the way for the rest of the money people are trying to recover. If OCSO receives reimbursement, why not the FBI? Why not TES? Why not Padilla? and so on and so on and so on....

Why not me for the time I spent worrying and wondering about her child? Why not every civilian searcher??

Make sense?

That may be a little different. LE/FBI were required (I guess) to search due to the investigation. TES/civilian searchers were not. Nobody hired you to search, you did it on your own free will.

 

[Intermezzo]

Well, I go back to OJ. The Goldmans won a civil suit and as far as I can recall, they were never paid for any of that (or at least a large majority). OJ Simpson was not broke, no matter what he said.

I thought the Goldmans won the publishing rights to OJ's book?The book has since been published and iirc, the Goldmans put themselves at the bottom of the list of creditors so others creditors could be paid.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-07-30/...family-fred-goldman-simpson-attorney?_s=PM:US JULY 30, 2007

O.J.'s book proceeds will go to Goldman family

 

[logicalgirl]

I thought the Goldmans won the publishing rights to OJ's book?The book has since been published and iirc, the Goldmans put themselves at the bottom of the list of creditors so others creditors could be paid.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-07-30/...family-fred-goldman-simpson-attorney?_s=PM:US JULY 30, 2007

O.J.'s book proceeds will go to Goldman family

I don't think OCA would have the sophisticated financial help that OJ had in place before he committed this crime and he is what? Thirty years older than OCA? She has a lot of years ahead of her to have this debt collected from - and a lot of wasted time running from collection agencies - which will be pretty hard to do since she is now infamous.

 

[believe09]

That may be a little different. LE/FBI were required (I guess) to search due to the investigation. TES/civilian searchers were not. Nobody hired you to search, you did it on your own free will.

TES was invited in either by LE or the Ant's because that is how it works, although I see your point about volunteering.

It would be something however if some of them started filing anyway.

 

[logicalgirl]

TES was invited in either by LE or the Ant's because that is how it works, although I see your point about volunteering.

It would be something however if some of them started filing anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised to find there is a lawyer out there willing to go to bat for some of the searchers who were harassed by the DT's P.I.'s and their identities made public with suggestions of wrong doing - when apparently all along the DT knew Caylee was dead from day one.

The volunteers signed up to search for a missing child - not personal harassment for the purpose of harassment only. Since there never was a missing child.

 

[believe09]

I wouldn't be surprised to find there is a lawyer out there willing to go to bat for some of the searchers who were harassed by the DT's P.I.'s and their identities made public with suggestions of wrong doing - when apparently all along the DT knew Caylee was dead from day one.

The volunteers signed up to search for a missing child - not personal harassment for the purpose of harassment only. Since there never was a missing child.

You said what I was trying to much more clearly, and I thank you!!

 

[cityslick]

I wouldn't be surprised to find there is a lawyer out there willing to go to bat for some of the searchers who were harassed by the DT's P.I.'s and their identities made public with suggestions of wrong doing - when apparently all along the DT knew Caylee was dead from day one.

The volunteers signed up to search for a missing child - not personal harassment for the purpose of harassment only. Since there never was a missing child.

BBm

I think that really is the crux of the problem with lawsuits. I can see it being very difficult to prove what I just bolded without getting into the whole attorney/client protection.

 

[krkrjx]

..sorry "no link"--it may have even been in the legal thread a while back..

..that stated bankruptcy does not include costs owed to the Court, or the IRS.

..in fact i'll drop by there now and check it out for certain...."AZ" will let us know!

WOW, thanks for that! I hope you are right about that. I was at one time convinced that Florida inmates with mandatory minimums were not eligible for early release under the 85% rule, and I was wrong about that. So, while bankruptcy not affecting court debts makes perfect sense, I am not allowing myself to believe quite yet that Casey will not get away with this just as she got away with murder.

Nonetheless, bankruptcy only discharges debts for those who really do not have means to pay. The bankruptcy court always questions potential availability of funds in the future before discharging a debtor's present obligations.

I hope there is no way around these debts for Casey. She has already gotten away with so much it's sickening. And Orange County and the State of Florida should not have to pay the high cost of Casey's criminal mind. It's bad enough that the state is held responsible for the costs of her defense and appeals.

 

[krkrjx]

BBm

I think that really is the crux of the problem with lawsuits. I can see it being very difficult to prove what I just bolded without getting into the whole attorney/client protection.

Except...Casey's attorney admitted in court that Caylee was dead from Day One. Had Baez not said that in court it would be difficult to prove that they knew it, but he openly admitted that Caylee was never missing and that Casey lied about it. Casey, in allowing this defense, waived her attorney/client privilege on that issue.

 

[2goldfish]

Except...Casey's attorney admitted in court that Caylee was dead from Day One. Had Baez not said that in court it would be difficult to prove that they knew it, but he openly admitted that Caylee was never missing and that Casey lied about it. Casey, in allowing this defense, waived her attorney/client privilege on that issue.

not necessarily, he could say "well, miss anthony only told me early this week, til then I had no idea" or such like.

I mean sure he knew OCA killed caylee all along, pretty much everyone on earth knew that. but my guess is she did not tell baez about the "drowning" til close to jury selection - maybe even after it started. I think she planned to go with zanny all the way up til she heard "I think she's guilty" from so many at jury selection.

 

[krkrjx]

not necessarily, he could say "well, miss anthony only told me early this week, til then I had no idea" or such like.

I mean sure he knew OCA killed caylee all along, pretty much everyone on earth knew that. but my guess is she did not tell baez about the "drowning" til close to jury selection - maybe even after it started. I think she planned to go with zanny all the way up til she heard "I think she's guilty" from so many at jury selection.

Well...doesn't that just confirm that Casey was lying all along and deliberately leading everyone (perhaps even her attorneys) to believe that Caylee had ever been a missing child?

Casey was found guilty of lying to LE. One of her lies was that her daughter had been kidnapped by a babysitter, and she went as far as to give that babysitter a name. Then three years later Casey, by way of her attorney at trial, admitted Caylee had died the first day and was never missing.

IMO, it will not matter if her attorneys try to claim that Casey waited for three years to tell them that Caylee was dead and had never been missing. These lawsuits are about how Casey's lies led to huge expenditures for public agencies and ruined reputations of private citizens who she pointed at as being culpable. Her defense proves she lied to investigators and to the public. It proves she deliberately attempted to send the investigation off course. These suits are against Casey--not her attorney, so for these particular actions, when Casey told Baez that Caylee was never missing is not relevant. That would become relevant only if someone decides to sue Baez, or if the state bar goes after him.

 

[natsound]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/16/earlyshow/main20107219.shtml

In this article and video, they're discussing exactly what I want to know: how can KC pay? My eyes lit up toward the middle of the article, where it says KC's failure to pay could result in serious prison time!! :woohoo:

The most realistic scenario to me is that she'll strike some kind of book deal, where she may not be the author, but she will cooperate with an author and get a percentage from it. She can pay the state back in installments. It probably won't be difficult once she gets a deal, and I think she will eventually, if she doesn't land her behind back in jail first.

 

[cityslick]

Except...Casey's attorney admitted in court that Caylee was dead from Day One. Had Baez not said that in court it would be difficult to prove that they knew it, but he openly admitted that Caylee was never missing and that Casey lied about it. Casey, in allowing this defense, waived her attorney/client privilege on that issue.

Yes, but when was it told to JB and how do you prove that? JB can simply say he didn't come into this knowledge until after Caylee was found (FCA simply lied to him up to that point).

Edit: NM 2gold beat me to it.