State v Bradley Cooper 03/31/11

[SleuthinNC]

Golden Corral has a way of making you take a 'break'. One of many reasons I don't eat there.

They didn't actually eat at Golden Corral the judge made reference to it looking like Golden Corral because of all the food that had been brought in.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I can't remember now how many siblings Brad has?? Anybody remember? Have they been vocal or visible in any of this--from missing to murder trial?

He has one brother. His parents have been in the courtroom they are sitting behind him. I'm not sure about his brother.

 

[gracielee]

I'm going to get killed for this, but why is it automatically assumed that the kids should go with the mother in this situation (move to an apartment)? He obviously had the means to provide for them in the home.

Because it's the mother who has been giving them 90 plus % of their care from birth. We've heard through testimony that Brad often times, once he left in the morning, did not return home in the evening till after midnight. After his classes, and after his 2 hour work-outs in prep for his Iron Man competitions. Brad went to France for 10 days for school, Brad went on business trips, Brad went on competitions both U.S. and abroad. And because Nancy didn't have the ability to get a job outside the home. That laid with Brad again, because the paperwork was through Cisco Systems, not something Nancy could persue on her own. There were times when my husband was still working, where I'd have to prod after him to 'get something done through work' because I couldn't do it myself, I didn't work there. Paperwork 'he' had to acquire, fill out, submit, etc.' In his deposition, when Brad broached this subject, he admitted 'he needed to get back to Cisco INS lawyer to find out about Nancy's visa. According to other testimony I've heard, I believe her parents/custody hearing, etc., Nancy had been wanting that work permit since shortly after arriving in the states. Remember, her mom testifying that the first christmas after they left canada, when nancy returned home before brad for chirstmas, nancy told her mom "I think I might have made a big mistake in leaving Canada". She was lonely, didn't have transportation, and couldn't get a job.

 

[222NCMom]

Let me say I think NC was probably a wonderful person and parent, but I think BC is probably an okay one himself, and just because the kids may not want to be with him one night and prefer the Aunt does not mean he's a criminal or not a good Dad. Its very normal at that age for that behavior regardless what psychologist they may put on the stand to say otherwise.

There is nothing wrong with BC wanting to take his children with him that night, selfish or not, doesn't matter, he is a human being and that was/is his family and maybe he needed the comfort and closeness that he could only find from holding them in his arms that night. fIt's not always just the kids or just the victim that matter. BC probably knew as soon as the police were involved that he was "dark one" now, and under the microscope, guilty or not his life was going to be H***.

I don't get the big control of money issues here. My goodness, they were heading towards bankruptcy probably. It did not look to me like either one was hurting for any luxury items. NC's hair looked great, I assume probably salon treated regularly but I don't know, if not, it didn't need to be because very pretty. She attended a wonderful health club, which many of the friends seem to attend as well....summers by the pool.....gas pumped by BC when needed, nice shoes, beautiful purse and expensive, wonderful artwork on the walls at home worth thousands, nice BMW's...

It just seems to me that way too much money was being spent and a budget was made. Yes, 80 to start but Hannah said that only lasted a couple of weeks, then it was $300 a week. If NC didn't have overspending issues in the pas, and she was the only one on an allowance, t than somethings wrong here, but if she did have issues, something needed to be done before more than water being cut off once a month was the problem. And, as for that, didn't we here of a check BC wrote to an attorney for himself bounce at one point? I don't think that he was "letting" the water get cut off any more than he was "letting" a check he wrote to an attorney bounce. They were in bad shape and maybe one if not both were in denial about it. You cannot let someone have charge cards if they continue to increase debt every week and it goes deeper and deeper. It has to stop. Someone was increasing the debts, maybe both of them, but one of the ways to start to stop it is to take the cards. Impractical to do so for a full time employee that will be out on occasion and need his.

Overspending...It's a disease in a way like alcoholism, drug addiction, except in this case it's draining their bank acount and has to be addressed by the other spouse if it one is in denial. Addressed by both if understood by both.

I may be completely wrong here, may have facts wrong, but I don't think so.

Another thing about debt, lack of money. I think it is completely inapropriate for any woman to continously complain to men around the neighborhood, at parties, drinking, that she has no money, her husband won't give her money. I believe it gives some men too much to think about. I know that sounds horrible, and I don't mean any disrespect towards her, but sometimes people just don't realize how they appear to others in certain situations.

I know how bad it sounds when people say about a rape victim that they sholdn't have dressed that way, no excuse to say stuff like that and it sounds like you blame the victim and thats really bad, I know.

But, there is a truth to behavior and the feedback certain behaviors get, and when you have an attractive woman continously speaking about needing money, not having money, husband cutting her off of money....saying these things at parties with men drinking, saying these things to strangers too, it's possible its said to the wrong person that may start getting the wrong idea.

Okay, sounds horrid, but just an observation.

 

[Albert]

Ok I will be the sacrificial lamb and go ahead and put it out there...

With all due respect to the family and friends of the victim, she did not leave with her family or even stay away with her family because she had no intentions of leaving the marriage without getting the money she felt she deserved.

Let the flames begin...

Just adding more fuel... If BC killed NC and it is proven that the divorce agreements drove him over the edge could one not argue that the divorce attorney's for NC were partially to blame for this murder. I am thinking something similar to a bartender serving an intoxicated patron another drink.

 

[gracielee]

I don't know if any of us will ever find out the truth <modsnip> but I hate so badly this information came out and somewhat tarnished Nancy's reputation. It hasn't tarnished her in my mind and I'm sure I'm speaking for many on here. Just a better total feel of things had it never come to light. And I can't remember now how the info was brought out--by Brad or Brad's defense?
However, I, too, thought the same thing when I first read or heard that Brad suggested his taking one child and Nancy taking one.

Yes, it was Kurtz who mentioned it in opening statement. Me? I don't care one way or the other. The way I feel about it is, 'if a marriage is good, neither partner looks for something else.' JMO If one of the spouses is looking for something outside the marriage, either they are serial cheaters, or they have serious needs that aren't being met by their spouse.' If my husband had a one night stand, I don't know that I'd even want to know about it, it was sex, a fling, etc.' But if my husband was looking to get his basic need for love, companionship, caring, etc., met by someone else, then I/we'd have big trouble. That has never happened to us, this total lack of meeting each others needs on a daily basis. I'm not saying we didn't go through rough times early on, but we kept trying to fix things between us. Learning how to meet the needs of each other. I married an engineer and I *needed* someone who could learn how to meet emotional needs. Not just somebody who could physically fix broken stuff. I think all couples have learning periods, either they learn to meet each others needs, or they don't. MOO

 

[BrownRice]

I find this hard to believe. Can you sleep in a necklace? Ican't when people who I know to be runners, do not run with neclaces on. I also have seen pic's with her not having a necklace on. The main pick on webslueths for example. Of course I don't know if this picture was taken before or after she recieved the necklace. I also would think that if this was a gift from her hated husband, why would she wear it?

I am a runner and have a necklace I don't take off (I don't want to say never, because sometimes I switch it out if I am going out and want to accessorize). I sleep in it and run with it. It's not a big deal and I really don't think about it.

Regarding the "gift" from her husband.....I assume she saw it, wanted it, and bought it (with his money). No emotions attached.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I think the "allowance" is being looked at negatively because that is how it was presented to her friends. He put me on allowance, he turned the water off to spite me. She wasn't saying I don't know what we are going to do, we can't afford to keep up this lifestyle. It was more like I don't have money to do the things I want to do, said while out to lunch several times a week, dropping the girl(s) off at an expensive preschool or lounging at the pool at the expensive gym. Either she was completely out of touch with reality, unwilling to accept reality, or keeping up appearances was more important.

Their money situation was a mess, they were severely over-spending and they needed to reel it in.

 

[lib's mom]

Just adding more fuel... If BC killed NC and it is proven that the divorce agreements drove him over the edge could one not argue that the divorce attorney's for NC were partially to blame for this murder. I am thinking something similar to a bartender serving an intoxicated patron another drink.

Brad accessed Nancy's email without her knowledge and read private emails between her and Alice Stubbs beginning in April 2008. So whatever effect this had on Brad rests squarely with him.

And I know this hasn't been testified to yet, BUT, it's in the December 2008 search warrant, Ms. Fitzhugh discussed it in the opening and it's coming in.

I think this is one of the things that triggers labor pain Mr. Kurtz everytime the computers are mentioned.

 

[snowshuze]

Brad accessed Nancy's email without her knowledge and read private emails between her and Alice Stubbs beginning in April 2008. So whatever effect this had on Brad rests squarely with him.

And I know this hasn't been testified to yet, BUT, it's in the December 2008 search warrant, Ms. Fitzhugh discussed it in the opening and it's coming in.

I think this is one of the things that triggers labor pain Mr. Kurtz everytime the computers are mentioned.

Gonna have a whole basketful of kittens before closings.

 

[gracielee]

I find this hard to believe. Can you sleep in a necklace? Ican't when people who I know to be runners, do not run with neclaces on. I also have seen pic's with her not having a necklace on. The main pick on webslueths for example. Of course I don't know if this picture was taken before or after she recieved the necklace. I also would think that if this was a gift from her hated husband, why would she wear it?

I have a necklace that I never take off. And it's fairly large in size too. It was made for me by one of my daughters girlfriends who does jewelry/silver work. It's a one of a kind piece, given to me on Mothers Day, by my husband. It has our three daughters names in, damn, can't recall the word I need for *writing*? Script? entwined in scrolly flowers on one side, and our first initial of our family name, with more etchings on the reverse side. I'd say the heart is probably 1 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches. Never measured it.

 

[cityslick]

I have a necklace that I never take off. And it's fairly large in size too. It was made for me by one of my daughters girlfriends who does jewelry/silver work. It's a one of a kind piece, given to me on Mothers Day, by my husband. It has our three daughters names in, damn, can't recall the word I need for *writing*? Script? entwined in scrolly flowers on one side, and our first initial of our family name, with more etchings on the reverse side. I'd say the heart is probably 1 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches. Never measured it.

This begs the question why would he take it off of her it if wasn't broken? And if it was broken, when would he had repaired it?

 

[Cheyenne130]

This begs the question why would he take it off of her it if wasn't broken? And if it was broken, when would he had repaired it?

He could have just put a different chain on it.

 

[lib's mom]

This begs the question why would he take it off of her it if wasn't broken? And if it was broken, when would he had repaired it?

The necklace wasn't taken by LE until October. That gave him 3 months, if he needed to get it repaired.

Why would he take it? I guess that could be lots of reasons. Make it look like a robbery (too bad he forgot the earrings), it's mine I paid for it, sell it later, maybe he thought he might need it when he began wooing his next conquest, etc.

 

[cityslick]

He could have just put a different chain on it.

He could of, but perhaps it had to be the same chain (or relatively close). I wonder if any of her friends would know the chain was different?

 

[gracielee]

I think the "allowance" is being looked at negatively because that is how it was presented to her friends. He put me on allowance, he turned the water off to spite me. She wasn't saying I don't know what we are going to do, we can't afford to keep up this lifestyle. It was more like I don't have money to do the things I want to do, said while out to lunch several times a week, dropping the girl(s) off at an expensive preschool or lounging at the pool at the expensive gym. Either she was completely out of touch with reality, unwilling to accept reality, or keeping up appearances was more important.

Their money situation was a mess, they were severely over-spending and they needed to reel it in.

That's the thing though, *they* were over-spending. I'd like to hear if Brad curtailed any of his Iron Man activities. The school the children attended wasn't just Nancy's doing, and the gym was used by both of them. I'd imagine a *family* membership. Brad said he worked out there a couple hours a day for his Iron Man stuff. I can see both parts of a couple being on a budget, but not just one part of the couple. Brad was still in training for his Iron Man, that was testifed to in the deposition. Not *after* Nancy was killed, but before. Was Brad still spending money of flights to get to and from Iron Man? Was he still spending money at lodging at such events? How much did Brad spend to go to France for 10 days the previous year? How much did Brad spend to go to, was it Arizona, for the Ironman I saw photos of posted online? All questions I'd like to know before blaming all the spending on Nancy. JMO again.

 

[JiminWilton]

Cursive?

 

[cityslick]

The necklace wasn't taken by LE until October. That gave him 3 months, if he needed to get it repaired.

Why would he take it? I guess that could be lots of reasons. Make it look like a robbery (too bad he forgot the earrings), it's mine I paid for it, sell it later, maybe he thought he might need it when he began wooing his next conquest, etc.

His face was plastered all over the news after July 12th. I would think it be pretty difficult to walk into a jewelery store and get it repaired without somehow LE not finding out about (they knew about the necklace). I wonder during those 3 months did they have any monitoring (undercover) going on of BC.

 

[cityslick]

That's the thing though, *they* were over-spending. I'd like to hear if Brad curtailed any of his Iron Man activities. The school the children attended wasn't just Nancy's doing, and the gym was used by both of them. I'd imagine a *family* membership. Brad said he worked out there a couple hours a day for his Iron Man stuff. I can see both parts of a couple being on a budget, but not just one part of the couple. Brad was still in training for his Iron Man, that was testifed to in the deposition. Not *after* Nancy was killed, but before. Was Brad still spending money of flights to get to and from Iron Man? Was he still spending money at lodging at such events? How much did Brad spend to go to France for 10 days the previous year? How much did Brad spend to go to, was it Arizona, for the Ironman I saw photos of posted online? All questions I'd like to know before blaming all the spending on Nancy. JMO again.

The spending was on both parties, anyone who denies that isn't being realistic.

I'd like to hear more about the 24000(?) balance that was rang up on a cc one year. Was that just her card or both of theirs?

 

[gracielee]

This begs the question why would he take it off of her it if wasn't broken? And if it was broken, when would he had repaired it?

Perhaps the chain broke? It would be a simple matter to replace a fine, gold chain with another fine gold chain. Wouldn't need the assistance of a jeweler at all, just slide the pendant on a new chain.