State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-7-12

[Cammy]

I have never heard it ... not when I was convinced he was guilty and not now when I'm skeptical of the evidence.

Because it is not there.

 

[Cammy]

thanks
I looked through the media thread & tried CNN
I actually have to shut down my computer now because I can't close the WRAL audio window ... will search again when I come back

I am trying to think where else it may be.
I promise if I think of anything I will let you know.

 

[otto]

Otto,

I agree. But Jason Youngs check in time and the camera time is withinin 3 minutes of each other.

Yet Keith Hicks testified today that the cameras could sometimes be off by about an hour! :waitasec:

Well okay then. Who or what do you believe? I still need someone to put Jason Young back in Raleigh!

The wide net that has been cast in regards to the TOD needed to be narrowed more for the prosecution than the defense, IMO.

I think that is why all the discombobulated time lines exist.

IDK, I just feel a very large piece of the puzzle is missing.

The camera may have had the correct time associated with it at 11:20, but after it was plugged in, if there were often time code errors, there's no guarantee that the time code was correct. The night audit clerk testified in the first trial that he noticed that the camera was pointed at the ceiling 15-20 after it was plugged in, but police have it pointing at the ceiling about an hour and 15 minutes later?

 

[janesdean]

Because by 3:30 that afternoon, Jason was pretty much their man.And, with good reason.He sure did a lot of things leading up to the murder, that could not have made him look more guilty if he tried.He should have known all his phonecalls, texts, and emails and everything would come out, Emails are easy to trace., btw........:wink:And, sleeping with MM, how stupid was that?IMO

brbm
Jason has himself to blame IF he was the #1 suspect by 3:30. (which I don't think he was) When LE called his phone en route to Merediths that nite, he had his mommy handle the call (ODD) he refused to speak with them at all. Then when they go to Merediths' house. he's hiding in a back bedroom and refuses to come out (ODDER), sending Meredith to deal with them; THEN, they ask if he will just come to the door and listen to what they have to say, he refuses(EVEN ODDER), sends Meredith. This is such strange behavior, his wife and child are viciously murdered in his bedroom, his daughter is left alone with dead body of her mom and he's hiding behind his mommy and sister in law from the big bad cops. Cmon, that is some strange reaction, and omission on his part. What's he so afraid of ? Why is he afraid of cops? Does he think THEY killed Michelle and Rylan ? And now they're coming for him ? THE NORMAL REACTION IF YOU ARE INNOCENT in that setting would be to run to the door when the cops got there, and bombard them with all the questions an innocent person would have. He has the women in his world handle the damn mess he has made, it is so pathetic and so telling of his guilt, imo...And Cassidy was ASLEEP, Meredith testified to that in the first trial, he got there about 8 hours too late to be of any comfort to her, he was HIDING BEHIND CASSIDY by that point. What a dad, what a guy, he is pathetic. You can hardly say Jason was the only suspect by 3:30 that day, they spent 3 years investigating that murder, then arrested him, and 2+ more years of investigation before they took him to trial. There is NO rush to judgement in this case, they checked out every person involved in the Youngs lives for years., they went to several states looking for information...

 

[otto]

Otto,

I agree. But Jason Youngs check in time and the camera time is withinin 3 minutes of each other.

Yet Keith Hicks testified today that the cameras could sometimes be off by about an hour! :waitasec:

Well okay then. Who or what do you believe? I still need someone to put Jason Young back in Raleigh!

The wide net that has been cast in regards to the TOD needed to be narrowed more for the prosecution than the defense, IMO.

I think that is why all the discombobulated time lines exist.

IDK, I just feel a very large piece of the puzzle is missing.

Police were looking for any witnesses that had seen activity at the property up until 6 AM the day the murder was discovered.

 

[otto]

does someone have a link to the 911 call that is not WRAL?

their audio clips don't work for me ...

They played it in court first thing this morning while the jury read the transcript. You should be able to listen to it there.

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/asset_gallery/10697529/

This is it: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10698472/#/vid10698472

 

[Lynx]

OK, we've had lots of people join this thread recently who didn't see the first trial and are not local, so I wasn't sure if you were familiar with the Cooper trial from last year. Yes, Cooper had a different prosecution team, but the trial dragged on forever and this judge specifically said he wouldn't allow the JLY trial to be a repeat of that. That was the point I was making in why the prosecution seemed to be rushed last time around.

I do not believe that the prosecution was rushed in the first trial. They put on 9 days of testimony, using most of their time. The defense spent very little time in totality on cross examinations of the states witnesses. the Defense had I believe 2 days and was finished.

Leaves me to wonder what went wrong. The jurors were not put through the task of sitting there for weeks and weeks and should have been able to have reached a verdict. IMO.

Last time the defense effectively tried the case with the states own wittness. Will this happen again? Will they be allowed a third try?

I never followed a hung jury before.

 

[tarheel8600]

Textbook sociopath, tarheel
He often ventured to eastern Tennessee for the really wacky stuff.....

I agree with your opinion that he exhibits textbook sociopathic behaviors. I have also heard he ventured to South Carolina for the wacky stuff, too.

The dental hygienist's friend and many of the other guests who attended the wedding knew JY from before. I think that's why they took such notice of JY's behavior.

People at the wedding were actually offering their condolences to JY, which he, according to the story I heard today, just shrugged off. The condolences stopped after he started exhibiting his drunken, wild boy, partying ways. I think that's when the gossip started.

His behavior just didn't set right with people. They expected to see a lonely, crushed, tragic figure. They saw the opposite.

You should have seen the dentist's face when she was telling the story. He had not heard that story either, and he just kept saying, "You're kidding me. You have got to be kidding me."

 

[Cammy]

Otto,

I agree. But Jason Youngs check in time and the camera time is withinin 3 minutes of each other.

Yet Keith Hicks testified today that the cameras could sometimes be off by about an hour! :waitasec:

Well okay then. Who or what do you believe? I still need someone to put Jason Young back in Raleigh!

The wide net that has been cast in regards to the TOD needed to be narrowed more for the prosecution than the defense, IMO.

I think that is why all the discombobulated time lines exist.

IDK, I just feel a very large piece of the puzzle is missing.

TOD is so important, especially in this case.
The state needs for the murder to occur somewhere around 3am.
What we do know is there was computer activity close to midnite,
and if Michelle had lived until am, the exterior lights would have been turned off.

IMO

 

[Lynx]

The camera may have had the correct time associated with it at 11:20, but after it was plugged in, if there were often time code errors, there's no guarantee that the time code was correct. The night audit clerk testified in the first trial that he noticed that the camera was pointed at the ceiling 15-20 after it was plugged in, but police have it pointing at the ceiling about an hour and 15 minutes later?

You are right.

See what I mean?

It can't be both ways.

Right now the only thing that camera tells me is that he checked in and came back down to the desk.

As of today Hicks and Morgan really can't even say that they remember him unless prompted by the camera segments.

That is what I took from the testimony anyway.

 

[otto]

It seems that the defense caught the fact that the prosecution played most of the 911 call, but not all of it, and therefore it was replayed this morning.

 

[Cammy]

BBM

In response to your first sentence:
Why were you looking at the crime scene photos if you didn't want to? Were you forced to?

In response to your second sentence:
Some people may look at real crime scene photos because they care about justice for the victims and they are seekers of truth. Those are not bad qualities to have, imo.
If it had been one of my family members who was murdered, I would be so grateful to LE and other people for caring enough to seek out the truth so that justice would be served.
I would appreciate what JTF has done. He doesn't do what he does for glory; he does it because he cares. and he does it because it's the right thing to do. We should all be so dedicated to seeking justice and truth.

The crime scene photos I looked at were at WRAL.
I wanted to see where the answering machine in the master bedroom was.

I don't need to know how someone died to know that they did.
It has been in the press many, many times how brutal and horrific this crime was.

How does seeing photos of someone dead solve a crime unless you are with LE?

I would never want to hurt the family or friends of a victim by morbid curiosity on my part.

I remember very well when Dale Earnhardt died, and photos were released, and the family was devastated to the point, they had a privacy law hearing.

The rest of your post, I have no idea what you are talking about.



IMO

 

[Lynx]

Police were looking for any witnesses that had seen activity at the property up until 6 AM the day the murder was discovered.

Otto,

I can't help but agree again.

Why 6 am when Jason was suppose to have purchased gas in King between 5:15 and 5:30 am?

Again that timeline.

 

[Cammy]

It seems that the defense caught the fact that the prosecution played most of the 911 call, but not all of it, and therefore it was replayed this morning.

So, it was the defense who wanted the entire 911 call played again?

Wow.

 

[Lynx]

TOD is so important, especially in this case.
The state needs for the murder to occur somewhere around 3am.
What we do know is there was computer activity close to midnite,
and if Michelle had lived until am, the exterior lights would have been turned off.

IMO

Does the state really need for it to be around 3am? Really? Think about that. :what:

 

[fromageball]

I also think MY's murder was not planned, and that she was killed for either fighing back or the killer(s) not wanting to be identifed.

JMO

That's another plausible scenario...maybe someone intended to rape her but then she put up a fight and things spiraled out of control. That could explain why she was attacked but stuff wasn't stolen.

 

[Cammy]

Otto,

I can't help but agree again.

Why 6 am when Jason was suppose to have purchased gas in King between 5:15 and 5:30 am?

Again that timeline.

Maybe LE just took the 6:30 am camera tilted to the ceiling incident and figured out where Jason would have to be approx be in his travels, subtracted the hour and landed in King, NC at 5:30 with Gracie?

Something else to remember, and this is important.( to me,anyway, lol)
If Jason had come into the gas station at a time, when it was slow or there was very little activity, I could see her story make sense.

But, there were customers in and out within a minute of him.
One minute!!
Where are they?
Someone must have used a credit card, find them!

IMO

 

[Cammy]

Does the state really need for it to be around 3am? Really? Think about that. :what:

That has pretty much always been the timeline, Lynx.

:what:

 

[Cammy]

OT/
How come we can't thank our own posts?

Kidding!!

 

[Lynx]

Maybe LE just took the 6:30 am camera tilted to the ceiling incident and figured out where Jason would have to be approx be in his travels, subtracted the hour and landed in King, NC at 5:30 with Gracie?

Something else to remember, and this is important.( to me,anyway, lol)
If Jason had come into the gas station at a time, when it was slow or there was very little activity, I could see her story make sense.

But, there were customers in and out within a minute of him.
One minute!!

IMO

You very well could be right.

According to Tikki Ingram there was quite a bit of activity that morning. Why could that not track down those who made purchases with bankcards in that time frame?