Student suspended for sexual harassment after hugging teacher

[Linda7NJ]

bbm

Exactly as this woman found out.

Woman sentenced to 70 years in prison after stealing Christmas lights

Brock received such a tough sentence because of her criminal record

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news...fter-stealing-Christmas-lights-236120671.html

She's an adult with a lengthy criminal record. Huge difference.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

She's an adult with a lengthy criminal record. Huge difference.


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No he is a kid with a lengthy disciplinary record.. Hopefully punishing him now will help him not end up in prison.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If this boy has some issues that need to be addressed, it doesn't do him or anyone else any good to ignore them.

I get tired of seeing MSM report these things without all the facts. It's not fair when the other side is prevented from showing or speaking about past behavior.

Without doing more research, I don't know what the disciplinary policy is at the school. Considering the suspension was for a entire year and considering the statement they released, I would venture to say that there are more recent problems than "he" stated in his interview. He is a senior now and he told of incidents that happened in 7th and 9th grade, both of which he attributed to another student. In 7th grade the incident involved a weapon, but he states another student mysteriously put it there. In 9th grade he doesn't elaborate on the extent of what he did, but he blames it on a pill he took that someone else gave him. His mother might buy his stories, but I don't.

Does he have a pattern of blaming others for his actions?

Giving a person national media attention, insinuating or portraying the school and teachers as being the bad guys, signing petitions and all these other things don't help a individual that may need help to prevent future problems. They enable and support the person that may be in the wrong. It's not a good message to send.

I'm not willing to believe he's a weapon toting, out of control druggy either. I have no idea what his participation was in those other incidences. At this point, I am not willing to blindly back the school system when they regularly do CRAZY ridiculous things too. Nor am I willing to look back at a single behavior that occurred years before. That's simply not fair.
I'm not even willing to believe he was repeatedly warned about hugging previously.

Based solely on what's been reported, It's an over the top & insane response to a hug. Until further evidence or documentation is reported, I'm gonna support this kid.


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[Tawny]

I don't believe he's a menace to society either, but it does sound like he has some disciplinary issues that need to be addressed. This late in high school, however, that is a difficult undertaking.

I would be curious to read everything that led to the year-long suspension because that is quite an elaborate disciplinary action, and seems extreme for this incident.

 

[Linda7NJ]

No he is a kid with a lengthy disciplinary record.. Hopefully punishing him now will help him not end up in prison.

In prison for hugging?


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

In prison for hugging?


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The hugging is just the last thing in a long list of things where he is breaking rules. He was told to stop and he continued the behavior. No matter what it is he needs to learn to follow the rules now before rule breaking becomes some thing bigger.

 

[Nova]

What does a one-year suspension accomplish that an old-fashioned 2-week suspension did not? Other than seriously derail the student's education.

When I was teaching I wasn't always comfortable with being touched by (college) students but I assumed the problem was MINE. Why should they be punished because I come from a family where people don't touch each other? Lots of families and ethnic groups are very "hands on". I'm not saying it's okay to grab somebody's crotch, but why do the non-touchers get to set all the boundaries?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What does a one-year suspension accomplish that an old-fashioned 2-week suspension did not? Other than seriously derail the student's education.

When I was teaching I wasn't always comfortable with being touched by (college) students but I assumed the problem was MINE. Why should they be punished because I come from a family where people don't touch each other? Lots of families and ethnic groups are very "hands on". I'm not saying it's okay to grab somebody's crotch, but why do the non-touchers get to set all the boundaries?

I don't agree with the year suspension. I don't agree with suspension at all. I think it should be in school stuff. Clean lockers, help in the office, Do something for the punishment. I don't think keeping kids out of school helps much unless they are a danger to others.

everyone gets to set the boundaries for themselves. And they should be respected.

 

[Tawny]

What does a one-year suspension accomplish that an old-fashioned 2-week suspension did not? Other than seriously derail the student's education.

When I was teaching I wasn't always comfortable with being touched by (college) students but I assumed the problem was MINE. Why should they be punished because I come from a family where people don't touch each other? Lots of families and ethnic groups are very "hands on". I'm not saying it's okay to grab somebody's crotch, but why do the non-touchers get to set all the boundaries?

It does not cause a 'toucher' discomfort to NOT touch somebody, whereas it can cause extreme discomfort for someone who is shy or nervous to be touched. It does not cause a 'toucher' anxiety or potential panic attacks to NOT touch someone. It CAN cause anxiety/panic in someone with social anxieties and the like. Especially when it's unexpected or unwanted.

 

[txsvicki]

I finally looked at the video. He looks like a big old kid giving an older woman a hug, but I wonder if she knew he was behind her. She didn't look startled at first, because he put his arm up to hug first then turned his head towards the back. It doesn't look like he was flirting at all, but more of a consoling hug.

 

[hambirg]

The term "hug" here is completely misapplied; a hug connotes warmth and willingness of both parties, and permission given - nothing about this unwelcome embrace (clutch, grasp, manhandling) could be called a hug.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. If you watch the video, he first approaches her and puts his arm around her shoulders and she grasps his hand (at :07) Hand-clasping is a sign of permission. Think about it. If a friend approaches you and puts their arm around you, you might reach up and tap or grab their hand. That's a non-verbal cue that you are ok with them being in your space.

I see no evidence that this was nothing more than an affectionate hug. He hugs from the side (sexual, romantic hugs are fully from behind of full frontal). I don't believe it was a dominance hug, because as soon as she shows signs of discomfort, he disengages. A dominant hugger will continue until THEY decide the hug is over.

I'm not saying that this hug didn't make the teacher uncomfortable. But I think this is more a case of a non-verbal misunderstanding.

ETA- I just want to throw this our there. If the student was a girl, do we feel the same way about the hug? Do we think a years suspension would be appropriate?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. If you watch the video, he first approaches her and puts his arm around her shoulders and she grasps his hand (at :07) Hand-clasping is a sign of permission. Think about it. If a friend approaches you and puts their arm around you, you might reach up and tap or grab their hand. That's a non-verbal cue that you are ok with them being in your space.

I see no evidence that this was nothing more than an affectionate hug. He hugs from the side (sexual, romantic hugs are fully from behind of full frontal). I don't believe it was a dominance hug, because as soon as she shows signs of discomfort, he disengages. A dominant hugger will continue until THEY decide the hug is over.

I'm not saying that this hug didn't make the teacher uncomfortable. But I think this is more a case of a non-verbal misunderstanding.

I don't think she was doing that. I think she was trying to get his hand off of her. You can see her pull away in disgust at the end. There is a point it went bad. We may not all agree on when but it is obvious he goes too far.

 

[Sonya610]

What the school is doing will be of no benefit to anyone.

The female teacher will benefit because she no longer has to be groped against her will OR worry about it turning into accusations against HER.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"Surveillance video captured the hug in question, showing Sam placing his arms around the teacher and giving her a hug. The teacher then pushes him away.
McNair told "Piers Morgan Live" that he had hugged that teacher at Duluth High School before.
"Four or five times," he said. "I hug all my teachers. It's to show appreciation for what they do for me."
He denied that the teacher had told him before to not hug her again. He also said that his lips and cheeks definitely didn't touched the teacher's neck, as is alleged in a discipline report obtained by CNN affiliate WGCL."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/18/us/georgia-hugging-student-suspended/

She did not want him to hug her. She told him before not to. He kissed the back of her neck.

 

[hambirg]

I don't think she was doing that. I think she was trying to get his hand off of her. You can see her pull away in disgust at the end. There is a point it went bad. We may not all agree on when but it is obvious he goes too far.

But that's NOT what she does. She does not lift his hand off of her and move away. She drops her hand to her chest once his head is near her neck. Whether that was her intention or not, that's not the non-verbal message she sent. That's why I said I think there was a non-verbal misunderstanding.

And I agree, at some point you can see she is uncomfortable and ends the hug. And he complies.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

But that's NOT what she does. She does not lift his hand off of her and move away. She drops her hand to her chest once his head is near her neck. Whether that was her intention or not, that's not the non-verbal message she sent. That's why I said I think there was a non-verbal misunderstanding.

And I agree, at some point you can see she is uncomfortable and ends the hug. And he complies.

No she pushes him away. No matter she had told him before not to hug her. He kissed her neck. He definitely turns his head in that direction..

Just watched again. She only puts her hand up before he full on embraces her and then her hand starts to come up and she pushes him away.

 

[21merc7]

I agree with hambirg on the initial non-verbal que. However, she did push him away after he leaned in.

I don't like that hugging is discouraged, must less for young men, where growing up and learning to hug has been somewhat psychologically unacceptable throughout all human time.

I do agree that schools must enforce no touching teachers and teachers do not touch students. Can't tell you how many teachers are falsely accused of sexual misconduct with students, by angry students, and lose their careers for life, and are forever black balled in that community. The same stands true when it really does happen and that is why it is not allowed.

Teachers and students do not touch.

His punishment, IDK, haven't enough information to make sense of it all yet.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You know what I find most telling? It is obvious that she is pushing him off and he just walks away like he does not care.

If I hugged someone and they pushed me off at the end I would have apologized..

 

[BeginnersLuck]

http://publish.gwinnett.k12.ga.us/g...dentParent-Handbook-ENG_FINAL.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

Here is the school handbook.

They have a well outlined discipline policy. It looks like anything over a ten day suspension they have to hold a disciplinary hearing. It also looks like there are a lot of different steps that can be taken throughout the time a child is in school to help get their behavior back on track.

I am curious after reading this, why they went to the media before filing an appeal and waiting on the outcome. They know the school is limited on what they can reveal to the public as far as past behavior and actions taken.

 

[Tawny]

I always raise an eyebrow when people go to the media with this kind of thing.