SUSPECT IN CUSTODY MN - 2 Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses were shot by someone impersonating a police officer, JUNE 13,2025

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KARE11 LIVE reporting he was scene on trail cam by a local and then by LE drone.
Thank heavens he seems to be not very bright.
IMO.
 
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I did not expect he would be found alive, but thankfully he’s in custody.
Too bad Decker wasn’t as easy to capture.
 
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Was there any formal confirmation about his wife's arrest?
 
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PC starting soon….

 
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“The 911 caller reported that a masked person had come to their door and then shot their parents.”

Sounds like the Hoffmans’ child may have witnessed the shooting. Absolutely heartbreaking.

20 year old daugher with spina bifada. Mom threw herself over her daughter to protect her.
 
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Drew Evans, superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, said state officials are discussing possible federal charges with the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office, according to The NY Times.
 
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A criminal complaint unsealed Sunday night says Boelter, 57, faces two counts of second-degree murder and two counts of attempted second-degree murder in the deaths of the Hortmans and the wounding of Hoffman and his wife.
I tried to understand but cannot understand why it is second-degree murder. This resource on MN law says that it is second-degree when the murder is intentional but not premeditated. These murders clearly were premeditated. Can someone explain?

 
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PC starting soon….

At the press conference, they stated that LE found three AK-47 rifles and two handguns in VB's car at the home of Melissa Hortman, plus he was armed when he was arrested today. "He had quite an arsenal" they said.
 
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I tried to understand but cannot understand why it is second-degree murder. This resource on MN law says that it is second-degree when the murder is intentional but not premeditated. These murders clearly were premeditated. Can someone explain?

I’m 100% with you , flower shop ! I saw the charging document on an online news channel earlier, why second-degree murder , I was appalled ? And these two murders and two attempted murders were clearly premeditated . I guess it has to do with the laws of MN ? How it is spelled out , I’ll have to research this further tomorrow, it is too late tonight ! This lunatic had this planned, it was not a crime of passion, nor heat-of-the-moment, nor a lesser charge, it was planned, calculated, he created his own fake police car, and word fake police clothes, for crying out loud ! What is not first-degree , premeditated about how this guy committed these shootings?
 
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I tried to understand but cannot understand why it is second-degree murder. This resource on MN law says that it is second-degree when the murder is intentional but not premeditated. These murders clearly were premeditated. Can someone explain?

The charging document says that VB is being charged with second degree murder - "with intent, not premeditated." Not sure why it is not considered premeditated.
 
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I tried to understand but cannot understand why it is second-degree murder. This resource on MN law says that it is second-degree when the murder is intentional but not premeditated. These murders clearly were premeditated. Can someone explain?

I found online information that says that in Minnesota, a person can only be charged with first-degree murder by grand jury. A prosecutor's office can only charge someone with second-degree murder. I wonder if there will be a grand jury so that they can upgrade the charges. JMO, as I am not a lawyer, and not sure if I am understanding this correctly.

First Degree Murder is unique in that it is a crime that is only chargeable by grand jury. This means that a county attorney’s office must assemble a grand jury in the county where the crime was allegedly committed and present evidence to the grand jury. A prosecutor alone cannot charge a person with First Degree Murder.

 
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I tried to understand but cannot understand why it is second-degree murder. This resource on MN law says that it is second-degree when the murder is intentional but not premeditated. These murders clearly were premeditated. Can someone explain?

Charges can be upgraded once they compile sufficient evidence -
 
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So close. So sad. It sounds like VB shot the husband, then ran into the house after exchanging fire with police, and then killed Hortman. I wonder where Hortman was eventually found in the house. I hope that she was somehow still asleep when she was killed, rather than alert and trying to flee this terrifying situation when she encountered VB. But maybe that's wishful thinking...
 

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