Sweden - Five people shot at school, Örebro, 4th Feb 2025

[SouthAussie]

BBC says among the victims are one Bosnian killed, one Bosnian wounded .... and an unspecified amount of Syrians ("including dear Syrian citizens"), one who has been named is a 29 year old Orthodox Christian man who fled Syria in 2015 and was due to be married this summer.

This news was provided by their embassies and a church.

Syrians and Bosnian among victims of gunman's attack on Swedish school

Details of those killed have emerged from embassies in Stockholm, as police describe the scene of the attack.

www.bbc.com

 

[Sarahlou]

Leave it to the DM to highlight this particular potential ideological motive...

Well it is sounding like he targeted migrants

 

[MessyLee]

Ok I just searched "smoke grenades" so I bet someone is red flagging my online activity somewhere. Just me sleuthing again. Move along.

But to the point: he had something like smoke grenades and some reports say a few police officers had to be treated because of the smoke. Some of the survivors said it made it even more difficult to understand what was happening and while in panic running away they kept falling over each other. Such a gut wrenching thought.

Now that I read about it, you can just shop them online. For "paintball" or "photographs" and at least over here one of the shops is bragging that the army uses the same ones to train with. You can also make them yourself (not opening those pages).

I will be very suprised if there is no gaming background. I sometimes play games myself so not to say it's like a "gaming made me do it" kind of scenario, but like many other school shooters, it just feels like creation of a game-like scene. With the preparations, clothe-changes, masks, smokes, musics, many guns etc. And then calmy walking the hallways and killing as many random victims as you can. Alarming that the very popular hobby nowadays might somehow boost the detachment from reality for those rotten apples.

If you do nothing but stay alone for years, play some violent game 12 hours per day, grow more bitter, collect them injustices and have the building blocks of a monster in your brain...

How come they are all so calm? It is so disturbing. Maybe their brain thinks it is playing a game? I once accidentally shot a dog in a game and I almost cried. The games look so real these days. Just a thought.

All my opinion only. My opinion at the moment. MOO

 

[scapa]

Well it is sounding like he targeted migrants

Indeed it is.

Sorry -- I should have clarified that I was pointing out the irony of the solidly right of centre and often loudly anti-immigration DM leading with this.

This was an appalling attack, whatever the "motive(s)" that are eventually teased out via digital trails and so on. I am more surprised by his access to guns but there seems to be an active population of hunters in Sweden?

 

[snarast]

I was beginning to wonder if there was specific group he'd attacked. The campus also had classes and courses aimed at those with intellectual and developmental disabilities, and we've seen targeted attacks on disabled children and adults before. The attack in Japan in 2016 immediately comes to mind.

MOO

He was pretty much disabled himself and apparently bullied severely as a teen.

 

[Dotta]

From my country's MSM
which follows this case avidly:

"The media reported
that the man had a permit for a hunting weapon.

In Sweden,
such a license is issued by the police after the candidate passes a hunting exam.

Among other things,
one must be at least 18 years old,
have a good reputation
and be mentally healthy.

Police chief Petra Lundh admitted in an interview with the TT agency that
'our procedures regarding firearms permits should be examined in detail'.

Another idea to improve safety in schools
is to close them while students are studying.
'Our schools are too open',
said Lotta Edholm,
Sweden's Education Minister."

https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/nowe-informacje-ws-dramatycznej-strzelaniny-w-szwecji-sprawca-mial-pozwolenie-na-cztery

"Little is known about the shooter:

According to a former classmate,
he was a rather withdrawn person
who did not talk to anyone.

'These are people who often feel like outcasts,
lonely,
suffer from some form of mental illness,
have a strong desire for violence',

Johan Hoglund, head of the task force,
who previously dealt with counter-terrorism and school attacks,
told SV T.

The reason for the attack has not yet been determined by Police."

Strzelanina w szkole w Szwecji. Wstrząsające relacje ocalałych. "Wciąż czuję zapach krwi na rękach"

We wtorek w mieście Orebro w Szwecji mężczyzna włamał się na teren centrum edukacji dorosłych i rozpoczął strzelaninę. Zginęło jedenaście osób, w tym napastnik, który według policji działał sam. Premier Szwecji nazwał ten atak "najgorszą masową strzelaniną w historii kraju".

wiadomosci.onet.pl

(Translated by Google,
editing mine)

 

[ChatteringBirds]

In Sweden,
such a license is issued by the police after the candidate passes a hunting exam.

Among other things,
one must be at least 18 years old,
have a good reputation
and be mentally healthy.

Did someone have to vouch for him for each weapon he owned, I wonder? Was the law followed?

 

[Skigh]

How gentle, liberal Sweden is now home to evil criminality

The words 'Sweden has fallen' appeared many times on social media as the country faced a mass school shooting, an act of evil criminality once unknown in this gentle paradise.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LadyL]

This seems at odds to what is being reported. Maybe the relative isn't speaking of grades though. Maybe school is a place he liked to be and did well there, comparatively.


The murder suspect had Asperger's and high-functioning autism, and had major problems at school, according to Sweden’s TV4.

“From the spring semester of grade eight and throughout grade nine, he failed all subjects. He was therefore not eligible for upper secondary school and had to follow an individual program,” the channel reported.

“Rickard Andersson studied at Wadköping Education Center in Örebro. There he attended a special class for people with Asperger's and high-functioning autism, and he received mixed grades.

“He passed in aesthetic activities and history, but failed in all other subjects.
“Rickard Andersson also did not do military service, as his lack of high school grades meant that he was never called up for military service.”

Sweden shooting latest: Syrians among dead say embassy as new suspect details emerge

Suspected Örebro shooter Rickard Andersson was a 35-year-old recluse without a job, Swedish media reported

www.independent.co.uk

what is aesthetic activities?

 

[LadyL]

This is an article that describes the dread some coworkers feel.

Kollegorna kom inte tillbaka efter dådet

Den bosniske ambassadören Bojan Sosic bekräftar att två landsmän hamnade i skolskjutningen – en är skadad och en saknas. Samtidigt bekräftar Kommunal Örebro att flera av deras medlemmar saknas och de väntar på ett besked i dag. – De kom aldrig till jobbet, säger Britt-Marie Balaj, ordförande för...

www.expressen.se

It’s also clear, from the article, that two victims are Bosnian. One of them among the missing.

can you post a few highlights of the article?

 

[SouthAussie]

what is aesthetic activities?

Google says it is things like painting, drawing, sculpting, crafting, music, dance. Link

 

[Dotta]

what is aesthetic activities?

I guess
Arts, Music, etc.
Artistic subjects.
Maybe also Shop classes teaching practical skills.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

He was pretty much disabled himself and apparently bullied severely as a teen.

That doesn't preclude someone from hating other disabled people.

I say that as someone whose diagnoses closely align with the shooter, who was also severely bullied as a teen, who also failed out of high school, who is also unable to work because of my disabilities.

I don't hate other disabled people, but self loathing expressed against others is a thing.

If the article up thread is accurate, though, it seems his motivations were more racist that ableist.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

" 'The child hunter who would go on to commit Sweden's worst mass shooting':

Image emerges 'of massacre suspect as a young boy wielding a rifle'
taken years before gunman slaughtered ten people.

The image, published by Swedish daily Expressen, is said to show Rickard Andersson, 35, as a child of around eight or nine, dressed in hunting gear and holding a rifle.

Expressen reported that Andersson had 'extreme social phobia' and would walk around with his 'hood up'
while covering his mouth with his hands.

One former classmate said he was
'a little scared' of him because he always hid his face.

The shooter also legally changed his name
from Jonas Simon eight years ago -
a move that took family members by surprise.

On Wednesday, King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia visited the town, alongside Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson, to attend a memorial service for the victims."

Child hunter 'who would go on to commit Sweden's worst mass shooting'

Rickard Andersson, 35, has been named by Swedish media as the shooter who killed 11 people, including himself, at Orebro's Risbergska adult education centre on Tuesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[snarast]

All are identified: Alla offren i masskjutningen är identifierade

7 women, 3 men.

2 additional women are still in i the ICU.

The youngest victim was 28, the oldest 68.

 

[snarast]

That doesn't preclude someone from hating other disabled people.

I say that as someone whose diagnoses closely align with the shooter, who was also severely bullied as a teen, who also failed out of high school, who is also unable to work because of my disabilities.

I don't hate other disabled people, but self loathing expressed against others is a thing.

If the article up thread is accurate, though, it seems his motivations were more racist that ableist.

MOO

That is insightful and true.

 

[Lusitana]

I realize he was an adult, 35, but it does seem a shame he didn't seem to have even any family actively in his life. Maybe they tried and tried but he refused contact, though.

It's a shame that he murdered 11 people, that's what's a real shame. He didn't have family actively in his life because he chose to not be involved with them. Those were his choices, it's nobody else's fault but his.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

It's a shame that he murdered 11 people, that's what's a real shame. He didn't have family actively in his life because he chose to not be involved with them. Those were his choices, it's nobody else's fault but his.

Of course that is the real shame and I don't blame his family for his actions.
But I think it is also a shame he was so isolated because maybe if he wasn't, someone would have noticed him spiralling and at least gone to LE with concerns about his multiple-gun ownership while so mentally ill. There have been cases where families tried but LE wouldn't doing anything, but at least LE couldn't rightly then claim he was completely unknown to them. JMO.

 

[snarast]

Of course that is the real shame and I don't blame his family for his actions.
But I think it is also a shame he was so isolated because maybe if he wasn't, someone would have noticed him spiralling and at least gone to LE with concerns about his multiple-gun ownership while so mentally ill. There have been cases where families tried but LE wouldn't doing anything, but at least LE couldn't rightly then claim he was completely unknown to them. JMO.

I’m thinking his diagnosis was wrong. His condition seems very severe - and forcing him to socialise was probably not a good idea.

That said, it seems he prepared quite a bit for this act of violence toward completely innocent people.

JMO

 

[Lusitana]

Of course that is the real shame and I don't blame his family for his actions.
But I think it is also a shame he was so isolated because maybe if he wasn't, someone would have noticed him spiralling and at least gone to LE with concerns about his multiple-gun ownership while so mentally ill. There have been cases where families tried but LE wouldn't doing anything, but at least LE couldn't rightly then claim he was completely unknown to them. JMO.

Forcing an adult to be around people who he doesn't want to be around doesn't sound like "helping". Also, all signs are pointing to him not really showing any signs of aggression in the past. If he was having these thoughts very privately, what would his family or friends do? Read his mind? I don't think much could've been done in this case. Sometimes, people do snap out of nowhere and all people have to say is what has been said about him, that he had issues but no indication he would ever do something like this.