you are missing my point..i don't think he was coming in there to get anyone...if he didn't know anyone was there, how could he be coming to kill anyone? she was hiding and being quiet...and what if her husband or her had been selling drugs to him for months? i am not saying they were, but i am not buying he was coming after her..he was coming after drugs...how he knew they were there, we will leave for another day.
Why bang loudly on two doors at once if they thought no one was there?
I'm not buying what Stewart is selling. Stealing drugs doesn't involve stalking women and killing of pets.
Exactly. He came to her house late at night wanting to "introduce" himself, the day her husband died. Her dogs began being poisoned. This was one scary, scary person. It was a home invasion of a house of a young, single mom and her baby and they were not there to "party" IMO.
Except they were in Oklahoma. What I found says a 16 y.o. can have sex with
anyone under the age of 18. No, I don't have a link....sorry.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Shane-Martin-looking-prescription-drugs.html
Last updated at 5:46 PM on 6th January 2012
Unless that is a misprint, she would have only been 15 and he 55
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when they began living together and only married two months ago, just before he died. And after the baby was born. Unless that article is completely off.
Her marriage to/relationship with an older man (which does gross me out) has zero to do with this story and may be used by some to somehow insinuate that this gal was not a victim of an attempted and horrific crime and that she survived by pure pluck and spirit. I could care less who she was married to. The crime we are talking about is what happened to her the day two monsters tried to force their way in, not whatever may have happened in her past. Happy she and her baby are alive.
There is a lot about this story i do not understand and your points are well taken. I cannot understand why she didn't turn on the lights or yell...not that she is obligated to, but seems natural...and she had a dog in the pic with her and we never hear the dog bark during the 911 tape...perhaps it was outside or something..and she said something odd...she suspected someone had been coming into her house while she was away and taking her husbands meds....i have thought about that..who would break into a home and take some of his drugs then come back for more..and if it happened once, who would leave their doors open after that? and then there is the story about the alledge stalking behavior...her mother said he stalked her at a rodeo two years before..followed her out to her truck...but she said she had seen the guy around town but didn't know him...but then he showed up at her house the day or so before acting strangely but left because her family was there..said he introduced himself as a neighbor and left...hmmm...aren;t all those accts inconsistent with the others...stalking is not one encounter at a rodeo two years ago, nor is it seeing him around town...i really think there is more to this story..i am sure i will be unpopular in here...i always cheer when i read about the bad guy getting what he deserves..and this guy did kick the door open and that to me is suicide and justifiable to shoot...but i can't help thinking there is more to this story.
I am assuming you are not a woman. I have had a few instances when someone was creeching around my home or trying to get in. A woman's instinct is to stay as quiet as possible, get something to defend herself with and call the cops. The fear is horrible but not enough to make it 100% certain that a scared woman is alone in the house.
I have my own questions about this story as well. She breeds German Shepherd and in the photo there is a large German Shepherd with her. Where was the dog, because a dog like that could presumably scare off an intruder, I mean, it's not a toy poodle. Why was this guy trying to break in for 20 minutes? Didn't he think she was going to call 911? I just read police are looking for the dead guy's laptop and cell phone that police believe were in the truck but were not found in the truck when it was searched-so what happened to laptop and cell phone?
She said many of her dogs had been poisoned recently. Maybe this is a new dog. LE's search for the dead criminal's laptop and cell phone may be simply so they can figure out additional charges for the creep who survived, to determine what they planned to do with this poor gal and her baby once inside.
Before we all get so excited, I hope police does investigate fully what was going on, including what was on this guy's laptop and cell phone. This case appears to be straight forward self-defense, but just recently a woman was convicted for murder of a man which she claimed to be self-defense. I don't think this is the case here, but, IMO, police need to investigate to make sure.
The cops already stated this was a case of self-defense. The way the guy was found makes that seem clear, as well as the fact that the other guy fled and did not turn himself in until news of a search for him went out. The 911 call that we got to hear makes that even more clear.
There is no investigation going on as to what she did, IMO. The "story" is simple. Two thugs tried to muscle their way into a woman's house in the middle of the country. One broke down her door. He's now dead. The other guy is being charged with felony murder and a host of other things. Simple to me.
we all have the right to shoot an intruder...but there is no proof he was coming for her. he was coming for drugs. and i believe at the end of the day, he thought the house was empty.. maybe i am wrong. but based on all that we know, he never tried to communicate with her, he tried to open doors...like a burglar not a home invader. what idiot would spend 20 minutes trying to break into an occupied home? how could anyone know it would take 20 mins for a cop to get there?
You don't bang repeatedly on a door when you think no one is home. How can you state for a fact that this guy was coming for drugs? Frankly, I don't give a rats you know what why he was coming in that house. He busted through the door of a young, widowed mother's home. She defended herself and killed him. I am glad he is dead and not her and her baby. Sorry.
I hate when the victims become the criminals in discussion when the facts don't point that way.
JMO
IMO she was the victim who protected herself. If there is more to it, I'm sure it will be reported on.
Thank you. There's no more to it except what the defense of the other creep will try to spin. And I don't get this debate one bit. It's actually making me sick a little. Shall I cite to the multitude of cases where the person inside was not armed and the criminal outside got in?
My gosh, this was a tiny, young mother, alone in a remote trailer with her infant son, and two scary thugs were outside trying to bang her doors down. Crazy monsters if you ask me, thinking they could scare her into opening the door and letting them inside where they would do God knows what, although I can surely guess.
This was not going to end up as a case of a woman robbed and left to see another day. The dead guy was nuts. Both of them seem crazed. He knew she was all alone because he had conveniently shown up to her house in the middle of the night to "meet" her the day her husband was buried. He was stalking a victim and even if he was there in part to score some drugs, there is no way such a brazen, psycho criminal would have stopped there. I truly believe it would have ended in hours of rape, torture and ultimate death of the mom and her baby.
I can so easily put myself in her shoes. My feeling is that those who want to see more to the story, cannot. God bless her and her little one. I hope they get tons of donations and can move somewhere safer.
