Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother #2

[Whisperer]

I just saw a police report that list Misty as living at 202 Green too. Just because witnesses talk to responding officers doesn't mean what they say is truthful.

I also have many members of the family living in that single wide. As I said, it must be a very popular rental.

 

[Whisperer]

I have licenses also.....doesn't mean it is your correct addy. Responding officers do not investigate the facts when they arrive on the scene concerning where you actually live and neither does State Board Licensing.

As I said it seems to be a place of great rental value for various members of the family.....for some reason.....may not be that anyone lives there all the time...may be a storage place for all we know...Looks like it..if you look at the cars stored there and the place doesn't appear lived in...

TN is listed as living in Fruitland Park as of NOv 08. Of course she can probably get mail picked up at 105 Rita if it is important. I can not state her living arrangements but I think most are aware of her relationship.

 

[cajun]

I see you are back Cajun, did you find that link for us?

Sorry but you didn't see me back at this time I wasn't even online. I logged in around 1 to check for a pm and logged out. I haven't posted since the 23rd.

We talked about this early on here and it was confirmed to me by a family member and I am not going to say who and it was a private test and not through any courts. You can take it or leave it or ask the mod to remove it.

 

[Crosby87]

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH CUMMINGS PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: He called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

NEVES: He called me 3:27, 3:28.

VAN SUSTEREN: So right after the 911 call? Right before?

NEVES: I believe that she was on with 911 when he called me.

911 CALL: (INAUDIBLE)

NEVES: He was in a panic.

911 CALL - RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH CUMMINGS’ FATHER: I just got home from work. My five-year-old daughter is gone. I need somebody to be here now.

NEVES: And I thought, I am in my nightgown, and I am throwing me jeans on and going out of the door, and I thought that she is probably hiding under the bed or something.

VAN SUSTEREN: How far do you live from here?

NEVES: I live about somewhere between 12 and 15 miles.

VAN SUSTEREN: So did you hightail it over here?

NEVES: It took me about five minutes.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you did move fast.

NEVES: I was well over the speed limit, that's for sure. But I just thought if they got behind me, there would be more people here when we got here.

<snipped BM>

Based on what we know, TN's first thought couldn't possibly have been that HaLeigh was probably hiding under the bed or something when she heard she was gone because she knows HaLeigh and ronald's mattresses were all on the floor in the same bedroom yet this is what she told van susteren. Misty too as we all know said she looked for HaLeigh under the beds when she saw that she was gone. Both these statements are lies.

 

[Pondering Mind]

No DNA tests have ever been done because Amber didn't show up when they went to get tested. You can put anyone's name on the BC but that doesn't mean they are the father. Amber's grandmother, Mary, is raising him. Lisa B. took off to VA sometime back in the beginning of summer and of course Amber is still in jail where she is probably better off anyway, at least she's not strung out on drugs.

Bumping ONCE AGAIN for cajun...

I'm not real sure why this keeps getting ignored as I see I am not the only one asking for any proof that it is true. Unless there is no proof and if that's the case the responsible thing to do would be to state such and correct any posts stating otherwise IMHO.

Has anyone else EVER heard this? This was a first for me and I really, really want to know if this happened or not.

Busylady, (my favorite keeper of all knowledge ) if you come across this post could you please tell me whether or not you have ever even heard this stated? TIA!

 

[Busylady]

Pondering, yes I have heard it stated and I do believe it to be true but cannot provide a link so can offer no proof.

Bumping ONCE AGAIN for cajun...

I'm not real sure why this keeps getting ignored as I see I am not the only one asking for any proof that it is true. Unless there is no proof and if that's the case the responsible thing to do would be to state such and correct any posts stating otherwise IMHO.

Has anyone else EVER heard this? This was a first for me and I really, really want to know if this happened or not.

Busylady, (my favorite keeper of all knowledge ) if you come across this post could you please tell me whether or not you have ever even heard this stated? TIA!

 

[Pondering Mind]

Sorry but you didn't see me back at this time I wasn't even online. I logged in around 1 to check for a pm and logged out. I haven't posted since the 23rd.

We talked about this early on here and it was confirmed to me by a family member and I am not going to say who and it was a private test and not through any courts. You can take it or leave it or ask the mod to remove it.

So it was confirmed only to you by a "family member"? I suppose that would definitely be rumor then if that "family member" thought it needed to be so hush hush, wouldn't it? Not that I doubt you cajun, I don't, but it sure sounds (IMO) like someone feeding you a line of BS when it's put in that context. Not that it matters, but that convinces me more than ever that Ron at the very least believes that he is baby J's father. IF and that's a BIG IF...what the "family member" says is true...it sure makes you wonder WHY they wanted it done privately, when the state would of done a DNA test for free AND could have forced the issue with Amber had Ron pursued it. Then of course Ron would be obliged to pay child support tho, huh? Interesting, either way actually...and a VERY self serving comment by 'whomever' indeed, imo...Thanks!..

 

[Pondering Mind]

Pondering, yes I have heard it stated and I do believe it to be true but cannot provide a link so can offer no proof.

Thanks Busy! Can you say whether you heard it from any other source besides the family member?

 

[cajun]

Nobody was feeding me a line of BS, no reason to.I asked and was given an answer. Like I said take it or leave it.

Thanks busy

 

[Pondering Mind]

Nobody was feeding me a line of BS, no reason to.I asked and was given an answer. Like I said take it or leave it.

Thanks busy

I didn't say I thought you were lying cajun, exactly the opposite. I am just saying that it sounds like a line of BS that could not be proven or disproven on it's on merit therefore from my perspective (not being privy to the convo that took place in the first place, so hearing it in this context) it seems to be a very self serving comment by the family member, that's all. It's jmo...

 

[Busylady]

Yes one of the sources I heard it from was not a family member. This part is just my opinion but I think RC felt at first he was the father then became aware that there was a good possibility the child is not his (which is what prompted him wanting the DNA testing done) - he could of pushed the DNA issue to make sure one way or the other, but I think baby J is with someone who is able to care for him and RC would not of been in that position if it was discovered that he was the father. If he forced the DNA issue yes he would be required to pay child support if it was determined that he is the father, however it would not mean more monies going to baby J for his care as child support would of been subtracted from the government benefits Baby J receives. I also believe that Ambers grandma did not want to force the DNA issue whether it be with RC or anyone else as her petitioning for guardianship is much easier without a father in the picture. I am thankful that Baby J is being cared for and hopefully Amber will get clean and be a mother to the child eventually.

Thanks Busy! Can you say whether you heard it from any other source besides the family member?

 

[elle1919]

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH CUMMINGS PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: He called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

NEVES: He called me 3:27, 3:28.

VAN SUSTEREN: So right after the 911 call? Right before?

NEVES: I believe that she was on with 911 when he called me.

911 CALL: (INAUDIBLE)

NEVES: He was in a panic.

911 CALL - RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH CUMMINGS’ FATHER: I just got home from work. My five-year-old daughter is gone. I need somebody to be here now.

NEVES: And I thought, I am in my nightgown, and I am throwing me jeans on and going out of the door, and I thought that she is probably hiding under the bed or something.

VAN SUSTEREN: How far do you live from here?

NEVES: I live about somewhere between 12 and 15 miles.

VAN SUSTEREN: So did you hightail it over here?

NEVES: It took me about five minutes.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you did move fast.

NEVES: I was well over the speed limit, that's for sure. But I just thought if they got behind me, there would be more people here when we got here.

<snipped BM>

Based on what we know, TN's first thought couldn't possibly have been that HaLeigh was probably hiding under the bed or something when she heard she was gone because she knows HaLeigh and ronald's mattresses were all on the floor in the same bedroom yet this is what she told van susteren. Misty too as we all know said she looked for HaLeigh under the beds when she saw that she was gone. Both these statements are lies.

Bluesky thankyou so much for posting this I actually never had a chance to read it before. This is actually something to talk about in my opinion. More-so than reading several posts about Teresa's many addresses and how she made it to 202 green lane so quickly after she received a call that her precious granddaughter was gone. I imagine if she hadn't made it there in under 16 minutes we would be reading theories that what took her so long to get there was because she was actually hiding Haleigh or her body somewhere. I don't think everyone can be pleased ALL the time.

The "under the beds" statement from Misty has always been off to me, especially after the walk through of the trailer and seeing the mattresses on the floor. When they showed Haleigh's bedroom there was a bed frame in her room and those toddler bed mattresses are so light weight that it would be nothing to pull it off and move it into the master bedroom each night before bed. So, for Teresa to say that she was praying that Haleigh was actually hiding under a bed wasn't startling coming from her, Misty though is another story. It didn't make sense in my mind that she would have said that because if she had just put Haleigh to bed a few hours earlier she would have known that the mattresses were on the floor. JMO... What we have is several family members stating that they thought Haleigh was hiding, or that Haleigh being gone was a prank, These statements come from both sides of the family Ronald's and Crystal's alike. Crystal herself said she thought it was a prank, so perhaps Haleigh enjoyed hiding and giggling while waiting for someone to find her. Certainly not a 3 in the morning, but truly, it was when Misty talked about searching under the beds that I most went ..huh?:waitasec:

 

[Baxter]

Where did you hear Misty babysat J.? I have never heard that, and Since Amber didn't work and lived w/ her Grandmother, I don't think se needed a babysitter. Misty and Amber were frenemies, Amber was babysitting Jr. and Misty called to tell Ron that it was not a good situation for Jr. IIRC, this can all be found in the stickies. Also, baby J is living w/ his GGM, so I don't think Misty and Nay Nay are hanging out with her, imo.

IMO, bottom line is until proven otherwise, baby J. is not RC's child. A Maybe is not enough for me. moo.

This is where I heard Misty babysat J.

"Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings."

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-19/story/haleighs_family_life_unstable_from_start

 

[PorcineGranny]

Baxter, thank you for that post. I also remember this being discussed on a thread at length. At that time a picture was posted of Amber holding J. I remember it well.

 

[atherella]

The "under the beds" statement from Misty has always been off to me, especially after the walk through of the trailer and seeing the mattresses on the floor. When they showed Haleigh's bedroom there was a bed frame in her room and those toddler bed mattresses are so light weight that it would be nothing to pull it off and move it into the master bedroom each night before bed. So, for Teresa to say that she was praying that Haleigh was actually hiding under a bed wasn't startling coming from her, Misty though is another story. It didn't make sense in my mind that she would have said that because if she had just put Haleigh to bed a few hours earlier she would have known that the mattresses were on the floor. JMO... What we have is several family members stating that they thought Haleigh was hiding, or that Haleigh being gone was a prank, These statements come from both sides of the family Ronald's and Crystal's alike. Crystal herself said she thought it was a prank, so perhaps Haleigh enjoyed hiding and giggling while waiting for someone to find her. Certainly not a 3 in the morning, but truly, it was when Misty talked about searching under the beds that I most went ..huh?:waitasec:

Respectfully snipped.

I just wanted to address the "under the bed" statements.

Both HaLeigh and Junior had (toddler) beds with frames. While HaLeigh's mattress was in the master bedroom, her bed frame was still in her own bedroom. It is possible for a small child to hide under it. Junior also had a bed of his own in his bedroom. It's true that we never did see Junior's bedroom in any of the walk-through's of the home, but it doesn't mean the room didn't exist. It's there! =)

Look at this picture:

This is from the walkthrough Ron did for the Today Show. Ron is looking directly into HaLeigh's bedroom. To Ron's left is Junior's bedroom. We never did get to see into it, but it is there. Remember, Ron had to move from his prior MH to a bigger one so each of the children had their own bedroom.

So, it is possible to look UNDER beds - the KID'S beds. Ron & Misty's bed was not the only bed in the home. Sometimes it seems that people think the only beds were the ones that were in the master bedroom - the two mattresses on the floor when that is simply not true (IMO). Junior had a bedroom and a bed.

(Here is HaLeigh's bed as a reminder - IMO, a small child could fit under there)

My guess is Junior probably had a similar style/sized bed.


ETA - it makes me SO SAD to see such a cute little GIRLY room and know there is NO ONE to use those things and it is so empty. Poor HaLeigh. Her poor family. Today must be SO SAD for all of them without her.

 

[luvthesleuths]

Still seems odd that Misty said she looked under the beds, seeing the picture above, umm you would see a child hiding there without the mattress in about half a seconde. If Jr had a bed with a mattress on it, that would take about 2 more seconds to pull off and see if she was there.

Saying anything other than 'looking under the beds' would have made more sense, looking in the closets, etc... but under the beds made my hinky meter go off. For TN to say that, ok fine, but for Misty to say it...hmmmm odd.

My opinion only of course.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Still seems odd that Misty said she looked under the beds, seeing the picture above, umm you would see a child hiding there without the mattress in about half a seconde. If Jr had a bed with a mattress on it, that would take about 2 more seconds to pull off and see if she was there.

Saying anything other than 'looking under the beds' would have made more sense, looking in the closets, etc... but under the beds made my hinky meter go off. For TN to say that, ok fine, but for Misty to say it...hmmmm odd.

My opinion only of course.

Yes, then I suppose we could imagine that the 'under the bed comment' was referring to literally 1 bed, since HaLeighs mattress was on the floor in the master bedroom. I guess even then we would be 'assuming' that J had a mattress on his bedframe...he may not have, we just don't know, at least I don't...I agree that whole thing was strange imo, especially in hindsight knowing that at most, there would be 1 bed to look under. I still find it very alarming that they did not look outside or call for her. (or if they did there has been absolutely no mention of it, which of course leads me to believe that they did not) Either or both could have done that while ON the phone to 911. I guess my question would be: WHO wouldn't look outside? I just can't in my wildest imagination understand that!

 

[atherella]

Still seems odd that Misty said she looked under the beds, seeing the picture above, umm you would see a child hiding there without the mattress in about half a seconde. If Jr had a bed with a mattress on it, that would take about 2 more seconds to pull off and see if she was there.

Saying anything other than 'looking under the beds' would have made more sense, looking in the closets, etc... but under the beds made my hinky meter go off. For TN to say that, ok fine, but for Misty to say it...hmmmm odd.

My opinion only of course.

How do we know whether HaLeigh's bedframe had anything ON it? If there were clothes or other "things" on it, one would not necessarily SEE a child hiding underneath it. In the picture I posted in my previous post, the bed frame is empty. (The MH had been cleaned for the walk-through, IIRC).

There is also, Junior's bed - which would be two beds. I took the comment "looked under the beds" as more of an expression anyhow, as - we looked everywhere. When people say "We tore the house apart" - I don't think people necessarily mean that they TORE the house apart - literally, know what I mean?

I don't find anything "hinky" about looking under the beds. There were two beds in that MH that were on frames. SMall enough for a child HaLeigh's size to hide under. Just MOO & I have no doubt that there will be plenty who disagree. That's fine.

 

[Pondering Mind]

How do we know whether HaLeigh's bedframe had anything ON it? If there were clothes or other "things" on it, one would not necessarily SEE a child hiding underneath it. In the picture I posted in my previous post, the bed frame is empty. (The MH had been cleaned for the walk-through, IIRC).

There is also, Junior's bed - which would be two beds. I took the comment "looked under the beds" as more of an expression anyhow, as - we looked everywhere. When people say "We tore the house apart" - I don't think people necessarily mean that they TORE the house apart - literally, know what I mean?

I don't find anything "hinky" about looking under the beds. There were two beds in that MH that were on frames. SMall enough for a child HaLeigh's size to hide under. Just MOO & I have no doubt that there will be plenty who disagree. That's fine.

but atherella, WHEN did they do any of this IF Misty had just woken up literally minutes before Ron got home and then called 911 as soon as he did? I remember hearing what sounded like cabinet doors open and shutting, (never could figure that out) but that was about it....

 

[atherella]

but atherella, WHEN did they do any of this IF Misty had just woken up literally minutes before Ron got home and then called 911 as soon as he did? I remember hearing what sounded like cabinet doors open and shutting, (never could figure that out) but that was about it....

Maybe the banging you heard was Ron lifting the beds off the floor & letting them slam back down, IDK?

I don't know when they looked under the beds? I wasn't there. I don't think it would take more than a few seconds to go look under two toddler beds. I don't even think it would take long to search the entire home, IMO.