TH and potential evidence

[Alyssa2013]

reedus23, I completely agree. I think if somebody were to ask him questions that he likes (ones that don't directly accuse him but imply that he was involved), he would answer them. It's disturbing to me as well because it's almost like he purposely tries to disassociate himself from this crime that he DID commit.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There was discussion about Hobbs' evasiveness in the other thread and I found this exchange enlightening as well but figured it was probably better suited in this thread.



Man, I don't care if it was justified or not, but this exchange is very disturbing to me. To me it demonstrates an ability to rationalize away his involvement in the death of someone. Complete empathy for someone having died. I think people have been asking him the wrong question all along. It should not be "Did you kill the 3 boys?" but should be "Did the boys have knife wounds?" and "Did the knife cause those wounds?" and "Were you holding the knife at the time the wounds were inflicted?".

It sounds like a conversation with a guilty 4 yr old..

Who ate the cookies..
I did not eat any cookies.
There is a cookie missing.
I didn't see it..

All the while the 4 yr old has cookie crumbs on his shirt...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

There is a huge whopping difference between a domestic dispute with a gun and what happened to the three murdered boys. It's interesting that ALL Damien's 'mal acts' before the crime are brushed away by some as 'teenage angst' etc .. yet TH's acts are highlighted so much.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

There is a huge whopping difference between a domestic dispute with a gun and what happened to the three murdered boys. It's interesting that ALL Damien's 'mal acts' before the crime are brushed away by some as 'teenage angst' etc .. yet TH's acts are highlighted so much.

IMO, there is a huge whopping difference between an adult and a teenager. As you pointed out, ALL of Damien's perceived "mal acts" occurred when he was a teenager. The things being discussed about Hobbs occurred when Hobbs was an adult.

 

[Alyssa2013]

There is a huge whopping difference between a domestic dispute with a gun and what happened to the three murdered boys. It's interesting that ALL Damien's 'mal acts' before the crime are brushed away by some as 'teenage angst' etc .. yet TH's acts are highlighted so much.

A domestic dispute with a gun? Terry Hobbs shot his brother-in-law...I don't think that's just a "domestic dispute" and you are free to debate me on that...and Damien's acts have not been brushed away as teenage angst. They still remain if you want to highlight them as much as you want, but Damien's never shot anyone...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There is a huge whopping difference between a domestic dispute with a gun and what happened to the three murdered boys. It's interesting that ALL Damien's 'mal acts' before the crime are brushed away by some as 'teenage angst' etc .. yet TH's acts are highlighted so much.

No.. There isn't. He shot someone with a gun. That is attempted murder..

Damien was a punk kid. Nothing more.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Actually Damien was a lot more than just a 'punk kid' if you read his mental health records.

 

[Alyssa2013]

Actually Damien was a lot more than just a 'punk kid' if you read his mental health records.

Actually Terry Hobbs is a lot more than just an 'innocent bystander' if you've seen his criminal record.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Actually Damien was a lot more than just a 'punk kid' if you read his mental health records.

His mental health records should be private. Especially since he was a minor.

He was a punk kid. He acted out, he was trying to be a bad butt.. But he did not kill those kids. Nothing says that he did. There is no evidence that he did. However there is evidence that TH had something to do with it.

 

[Ina Cognito]

Still amazes me how many people do not understand Wicca either...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

His mental health records should be private. Especially since he was a minor.

He was a punk kid. He acted out, he was trying to be a bad butt.. But he did not kill those kids. Nothing says that he did. There is no evidence that he did. However there is evidence that TH had something to do with it.

It's Damien's own defence team that made those docs public. It's worse than someone acting out trying to look bad, he had / has real mental health issues. Jessie said he 'killed those kids', 4 confessions is not 'nothing' nor was the witness statements from people who heard Damien bragging about the crime.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

I don't care how many times Jessie "confessed," none of his statements aligned with the evidence in the case, IMO, to convict three people of murdering those little boys beyond a reasonable doubt. Likewise, none of Damien's mental health issues are sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a participant in the murders. The other witnesses were either seeking their 15 minutes of fame or mistook sarcasm for truth.

Again, we're back to the total lack of evidence against Damien, Jason and Jessie. All I ever hear is "Jessie confessed - multiple times!" "Look at Exhibit 500!" "Listen to the softball girls!" "Listen to Michael Carson!" "Read the trial transcripts on Callahan's!" None of these things are proof of the guilt of Damien, Jason and Jessie, IMO.

The fibers have been debunked. The whole Satanic ritual abuse theory is now considered laughable. The best that the State could come up with for a motive is a "thrill" kill. Damien, Jason and Jessie are innocent, and the State of Arkansas knows it and was grateful to escape with their heads through the Alford Plea. All that's left now is to find a way to present the evidence of innocence in such a way as to save face for the State of Arkansas and to put the real killer where he belongs.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It's Damien's own defence team that made those docs public. It's worse than someone acting out trying to look bad, he had / has real mental health issues. Jessie said he 'killed those kids', 4 confessions is not 'nothing' nor was the witness statements from people who heard Damien bragging about the crime.

Jessies words just can not be trusted. He was coerced and made up facts. He did not even have times right. Sadly his confessions and stories are not reliable.

I don't believe those people saying they heard anything.. I think he may have gotten to the place where he was like , well if they think I did it, Ill say it.. But HE Knew he did not and there was no evidence because he was not there. It does not matter what people say.. It is the evidence that matters and NOTHING points to Damien. Nothing.. TH however lied about where he was, seeing the kids that day and a hair that can be linked to him was tied in the ligature in the middle of the woods..

 

[gheckso]

Yeah the mental health records. I've said it before but I think it is miraculous that he has self healed himself whilst confined to the living standards of death row with all these mental issues for 18 years. He must be the greatest actor to have ever lived if he just putting on a front.
If he was that bad when he went in...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yeah the mental health records. I've said it before but I think it is miraculous that he has self healed himself whilst confined to the living standards of death row with all these mental issues for 18 years. He must be the greatest actor to have ever lived if he just putting on a front.
If he was that bad when he went in...

My guess is that He was not. He was the average angst teen and he had a lot of attitude. That he was not interested in conforming and remember in that time, With all the bit satan worship, New GOTH on the scene stuff, He would have been viewed as disturbed in that close country community.

 

[Ina Cognito]

Remember he filed his nails into points? lol I mean come on... He was a teen with emotional problems, in a broken family with no feeling of worth. He learned how to get attention...acting creepy. None of this makes you guilty of murder.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Remember he filed his nails into points? lol I mean come on... He was a teen with emotional problems, in a broken family with no feeling of worth. He learned how to get attention...acting creepy. None of this makes you guilty of murder.

Yes. This is the days of Kurt Cobain.. Darkness, Goth, Grunge, Glorified Angst..

 

[gheckso]

Also interesting is how many people draw similarities from there own childhood, albeit some not so exaggerated as Damien, which I believe was to gain that attention.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Having taught these angst-ridden teenagers for 25 years tends to give me an interesting perspective on Damien, Jason and Jessie. During my career, I taught all three types - the smart alec, the quiet one and the mentally-challenged one. Although they react differently, they all suffer from angst!

 

[reedus23]

They also have convinced supporters that they just plead guilty so that they could prove their innocence, but nothing has happened since their release.

I truly think you understand the true reason why. When people talk like this I truly wish that there was a way to lock them up in a prison environment for nearly 20 years, with one looking at being executed, and then see if they'd take an Alford Plea in order to get the hell out of prison and just as importantly if not more so, to avoid dying. I suppose when there is little else to grasp on to, one grasps anything.