The actual vs. desired outcome

[JMO8778]

The one ransom note author, plus the two gentlemen, makes three, right?

The ransom note informs the parents that they'll call between 8 and 10 tomorrow, and to not call police or she dies. Within the context of the ransom note author's view of things, 8 and 10 AM tomorrow would've been the next day. In fact, that would be 26-28 hours after the R's called 911.

Thats enough time for many different plans to get her out of the country unnoticed.

that's enough time for the R's to have bought themselves some time w/ that fake RN.
but I think when it got down to the wire,it was just too risky.too risky to get her body out of the house,and too risky not to call 911.

 

[JMO8778]

Three loops. Three pages. Three exclamation marks. John mentioned three times in the note. Patsy says note was found on the third step. Quite a few references to the number 3. A triangulation?


-Tea

in statement analysis,reference to the no. 3 is a big,red flag..usually liars will use the no. 3 when describing details.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

that's enough time for the R's to have bought themselves some time w/ that fake RN.

How does the fake RN buy the R's time when they called 911 at 6AM? Is this another RDI paradox?

 

[JMO8778]

Holdon,apparently you missed the very next sentence of what I posted,b/c I think it's just as SuperDave said,in bold: but I think when it got down to the wire,it was just too risky.too risky to get her body out of the house,and too risky not to call 911.

 

[Toltec]

Its widely reported that the cord and tape have not been sourced to anything in the house.

I could respond with a similar claim, that it was brought there by 3 adults who intended to kidnap JBR and take her to another country.

There was duct tape found in the home...in one of the junk drawers.

 

[UKGuy]

How does the fake RN buy the R's time when they called 911 at 6AM? Is this another RDI paradox?

Holdontoyourhat,

Not really its another example of IDI distorted and delusional thinking, normally for attention seeking purposes e.g. just like the tabloids ignoring the truth in preference for exotic speculation renders attnetion and sells lots of paper!

It buys time because the Ramseys are NOT arrested on the spot, faced with the discovery of a lifeless JonBenet, say in her bedroom, evidently the victim of a sexual assault, and the cause of death unknown, things may have turned out differently?



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[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,

...distorted and delusional thinking, normally for attention seeking purposes...

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Are you a psychologist or what?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

It buys time because the Ramseys are NOT arrested on the spot, faced with the discovery of a lifeless JonBenet, say in her bedroom, evidently the victim of a sexual assault, and the cause of death unknown, things may have turned out differently?



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This argument is circular. You can't use the argument that just because the R's called the police, that they were therefore successful at preventing their own arrest, and therefore were involved in the murder.

Either that or your argument presumes the R's killed their daughter. If you're going to presume guilt on the R's, then you can rationalize R's actions into almost any fantasy scenario you want

 

[UKGuy]

Are you a psychologist or what?

Holdontoyourhat,

Do you need to be a psychologist to recognize confabulation?

 

[coloradokares]

Holdontoyourhat,

Do you need to be a psychologist to recognize confabulation?

Or need one when you can no longer discern it from fact?:doh:

 

[DeeDee249]

:banghead:

 

[DeeDee249]

Do you have a theory as to who they were? What was their plan to get her (unnoticed) out of the county when they have left a ransom note which informs the parents she had been kidnapped?

Holdon, do you have any ideas about this?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

There are many cases of children and adults kidnapped and held for years for one warped purpose or another. International kidnapping does happen. Somehow they are able to get their victims out of the country.

JBR may have been targeted not for what she was at 6 years old, but for what she would become later in her life.

 

[JMO8778]

JBR may have been targeted not for what she was at 6 years old, but for what she would become later in her life.

as in? ............SFF: let's go after a future Ms America,that'll get those Americans...

not much damage done to the USA there...who knows if she would have even made it to the top 10.

again,the son would be the more likely target,if even one of the kids was at all.

 

[JMO8778]

Either that or your argument presumes the R's killed their daughter. If you're going to presume guilt on the R's, then you can rationalize R's actions into almost any fantasy scenario you want

no one's assuming anything ..the evidence leads to them.
the IDI's are the ones fashioning fantasies,as it would take make-believe and science fiction to make the IDI theory even plausible.

 

[DeeDee249]

There are many cases of children and adults kidnapped and held for years for one warped purpose or another. International kidnapping does happen. Somehow they are able to get their victims out of the country.

JBR may have been targeted not for what she was at 6 years old, but for what she would become later in her life.

I think you share PR and Nedra's highly over-rated sense of JBR's "superstardom". She was a beautiful little girl, yes, enhanced by hair extensions, blonde dye job, full makeup and blue contacts. The cute little 3-year old JBR seen in photos was quite a bit different than the 6 year-old JBR with all the above "accessories" in place. Plus the sexpot strut.
Would she have grown up into a beautiful woman? Probably but not unquestionably. Maybe she'd have rebelled against all of it and insisted on a plainer, more natural look.
To think that either a "SFF" OR a competitor's parent would target a little girl like that because they felt "threatened" by the fact that she MIGHT grow uo to be Miss America requires (please forgive me) "a willing suspension of disbelief".

 

[azwriter]

But it is that simple.


" sophisticated slipknotted garrote/restraining devices.

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I'm not an expert on knots or garrotes, but do you really think the garrote found around her neck was "sophisticated?"
Didn't John call it a "professional" garrote.
What is the difference from a professional one and one made by an amateur?
Does anyone know the difference? And why would John be able to identify one from another?
just wondering.

 

[DeeDee249]

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I'm not an expert on knots or garrotes, but do you really think the garrote found around her neck was "sophisticated?"
Didn't John call it a "professional" garrote.
What is the difference from a professional one and one made by an amateur?
Does anyone know the difference? And why would John be able to identify one from another?
just wondering.

JR may have been an expert on knots because of his military and boating exprience, but he was certainly not an expert on garottes. That silly statement about the garotte being "professional" was meant to give the impression that this one had to have been made by someone that is hired to kill people, like as assassin.
JR wanted to put forward the idea that this garotte could not have been done by just anyone. (like him)
As opposed to an "amateur" garotte, which would be just anyone tying a rope around someone's neck, not knowing anything about nooses or how a garotte work.
What is puzzling is that, like so many suspect statements from both Rs, no one ever asked him how HE knew the difference and what he based that opinion on.
IMHO, his saying the garotte was "professional" points the finger back at him, since he was the knot expert.
This didn't look sophisticated to me. It just looked like a cord wrapped around a broken paintbrush and tied around her neck.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I think you share PR and Nedra's highly over-rated sense of JBR's "superstardom". She was a beautiful little girl, yes, enhanced by hair extensions, blonde dye job, full makeup and blue contacts. The cute little 3-year old JBR seen in photos was quite a bit different than the 6 year-old JBR with all the above "accessories" in place. Plus the sexpot strut.
Would she have grown up into a beautiful woman? Probably but not unquestionably. Maybe she'd have rebelled against all of it and insisted on a plainer, more natural look.
To think that either a "SFF" OR a competitor's parent would target a little girl like that because they felt "threatened" by the fact that she MIGHT grow uo to be Miss America requires (please forgive me) "a willing suspension of disbelief".

Me too. I don't subscribe to your interpretation of 'superstardom' at all. Its not surprising from RDI to run off on a tangent though.

My idea of JBR later in life would've been at the mercy of her captor, and would've had nothing to do with thwarting a Miss America bid. If anything, her captors would've prevented that from ever happening.

Does 'kidnap for slave' have any meaning, or is it a new concept for you?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

no one's assuming anything ..the evidence leads to them.
the IDI's are the ones fashioning fantasies,as it would take make-believe and science fiction to make the IDI theory even plausible.

JBR was going to be assaulted, kidnapped, or murdered that night by someone with a plan to do so. Of course this is just a claim, but a claim that is factually supported. This is what the evidence leads to.