The actual vs. desired outcome

[Ames]

OK but in the case of JBR, you KNOW the killer is brutal. Beheading a child is unusually brutal, then going ahead and garrote strangling AND headbasing a child is unusually brutal. You're gonna have to come up with something PR did that was brutal, if you expect anyone to believe PR wrote the note. A consensus among CDE's concluding she wrote it would've been nice too. After all it was 2 1/2 pages, certainly enough material for them to work with.

Well, I believe that the head bashing was a rage filled accident...I don't believe that she meant to either shove her...or for JB to lose her balance, and fall into the side of the tub. The garotting was SOFT....no internal neck injuries, just enough to close her airway. This could have been done as a mercy killing, too. I am on the fence about that one....a mercy killing, or a plan to save their butts...or a combination of both. I have been strangled before with a cord...it wasn't a garotte...but, it was a "soft"...if you know what I mean. He just put the cord in front of my neck, and sat behind me and pulled. I didn't have any internal neck injuries...but, my throat closed up and I could not breathe, and almost passed out. Meanwhile, I was clawing my neck to shreds trying to remove the cord, this is why I believe that the head wound came first...she was unconcious during the garotting...I don't see the garotte as being "brutal"...now, if the head wound was done on purpose...now THAT would have been brutal.

 

[Ames]

No slang, no street language, no American slang either. Good point. There's lines from American movies and the 'fat cat' term.

How did the members of the foreign faction KNOW that John was a "fat cat"....the note said.."you are not the only fat cat around here"...or something like that. How would a foreigner even know what that word meant? How did these foreigners know that John was from the south? How did they know John's background? Supposedly they were just intruders that wanted to kidnap JB for ransom money. I just couldn't imagine members of a foreign faction, sitting around....eating popcorn and watching American movies, like "Speed" and "Dirty Harry"...where some of those terms came from.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

How did the members of the foreign faction KNOW that John was a "fat cat"....the note said.."you are not the only fat cat around here"...or something like that. How would a foreigner even know what that word meant? How did these foreigners know that John was from the south? How did they know John's background? Supposedly they were just intruders that wanted to kidnap JB for ransom money. I just couldn't imagine members of a foreign faction, sitting around....eating popcorn and watching American movies, like "Speed" and "Dirty Harry"...where some of those terms came from.

'fat cat' isn't exclusively American. Its not really a contemporary American street term at all. Its slang, but its 'foreign' slang.

 

[UKGuy]

Sure they are. Its not unexpected to find R fibers all over JBR from direct and secondary tranfer. Finding R fibers anywhere in the R's own house isn't remarkable at all.



You can't throw away the RN or minimize its value just because it doesn't suit your ideas of what happened. You don't know it was staged at all. THats your claim.


You're kidding, right?

Holdontoyourhat,

Sure they are. Its not unexpected to find R fibers all over JBR from direct and secondary tranfer. Finding R fibers anywhere in the R's own house isn't remarkable at all.

It is remarkable when they are discovered on the body of a murdered child though

You can't throw away the RN or minimize its value just because it doesn't suit your ideas of what happened. You don't know it was staged at all. THats your claim.

Well those comments just display how intelligent you really are. If its my argument and you have a counter argument, and neither of us can prove our arguments to be consistent or solid, then both have no value!

Which is my argument: that the ransom note is of no evidentiary value since it was staged.

Not only that, knowing who wrote the ransom note, intruder or not, will tell you nothing about who killed JonBenet.
You're kidding, right?

No because the person who wrote the note may not be the person who killed JonBenet!

Incidentally are you still at High School by any chance?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,

It is remarkable when they are discovered on the body of a murdered child though


Well those comments just display how intelligent you really are. If its my argument and you have a counter argument, and neither of us can prove our arguments to be consistent or solid, then both have no value!

Which is my argument: that the ransom note is of no evidentiary value since it was staged.


No because the person who wrote the note may not be the person who killed JonBenet!

Incidentally are you still at High School by any chance?

Maybe you should team up with Squishyfied and we'll talk on opposites day.

Of course PR and JR fibers are going to be on JBR! After having spent a long day with her parents, she is going to have these fibers.

If you knew positively who wrote the note, thats gonna be close enough to knowing who killed JBR.

 

[UKGuy]

Maybe you should team up with Squishyfied and we'll talk on opposites day.

Of course PR and JR fibers are going to be on JBR! After having spent a long day with her parents, she is going to have these fibers.

If you knew positively who wrote the note, thats gonna be close enough to knowing who killed JBR.

Holdontoyourhat,

Maybe you should team up with Squishyfied and we'll talk on opposites day.

I'll pass on that one thanks. I prefer debating with rational people. You can count me out ever replying to any of your posts in the future.

 

[Squishified]

UKGuy,
I would be proud to team up with you anytime.

 

[Ames]

'fat cat' isn't exclusively American. Its not really a contemporary American street term at all. Its slang, but its 'foreign' slang.

Yes, I know that it is slang...but it is NOT foreign slang...where did you get THAT from?

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This fat cat
n. Slang

1. <LI minmax_bound="true">A wealthy and highly privileged person.
2. A wealthy person who is a heavy contributor to a political campaign.

(Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,
I would be proud to team up with you anytime.

Squishified,

Me too, likewise !

 

[Ames]

'fat cat' isn't exclusively American. Its not really a contemporary American street term at all. Its slang, but its 'foreign' slang.

If they were foreign, they must have been in the country for quite awhile, to have such a grasp of the English language...and to be able to understand those American movies, like "Speed" and "Dirty Harry" that they watched.

There are still two questions that you keep avoiding...how did they know so much about John's background.?..and how did the three intruders escape...and leave the premises....when the houses there are thisclose...and the neighbors dog, that barks and any and everything...did not bark at all that night? (It barked at the policeman the next day, though..as he was about to come over and question the neighbor).

 

[Squishified]

Isn't the phrase "Those fat cats in Washington" a common one?
Or is it just me? I know I can be "irrational" at times.

 

[Ames]

Maybe you should team up with Squishyfied and we'll talk on opposites day.

Of course PR and JR fibers are going to be on JBR! After having spent a long day with her parents, she is going to have these fibers.

If you knew positively who wrote the note, thats gonna be close enough to knowing who killed JBR.

Okay, I will ask this question YET again. Okay, devils advocate here.....the fibers that were ON JB were innocently transferred. What about the fibers from the exact jacket that Patsy wore that night....that were INSIDE THE PAINT TOTE, and entwined in the garotte cord?? As I have said before...now if it was fibers from a completely different outfit....then and only then...would it be innocent.

 

[Ames]

Isn't the phrase "Those fat cats in Washington" a common one?
Or is it just me? I know I can be "irrational" at times.

LOL..I just had to delete an entire post, because I thought that your quote was from HOLDON....

Holdon says that the word FAT CAT is a Foreign Slang......then why is it in the American HERITAGE Dictonary? I believe that if those "three intruders"...were so accustomed to the english language....that they learned from watching "Speed" and "Dirty Harry"...then they would have peppered their RN with a few curse words, to make it sound more believable.

 

[Ames]

Holdontoyourhat,


I'll pass on that one thanks. I prefer debating with rational people. You can count me out ever replying to any of your posts in the future.

I am just about to that point too....Holdon makes stuff up, as he/she goes along. For example...he/she said.. that the word FAT CAT was "foreign slang". I looked it up, and it is in the American HERITAGE Dictionary. FAT CAT is an American Slang....not a foreign slang.

 

[Squishified]

LOL..I just had to delete an entire post, because I thought that your quote was from HOLDON....

Holdon says that the word FAT CAT is a Foreign Slang......then why is it in the American HERITAGE Dictonary? I believe that if those "three intruders"...were so accustomed to the english language....that they learned from watching "Speed" and "Dirty Harry"...then they would have peppered their RN with a few curse words, to make it sound more believable.

LOL-- You silly goose!!

 

[Ames]

LOL-- You silly goose!!

I swear...I think that I am losing it. Less than two more weeks to go...and I should be back to my "sane" self.

 

[Ames]

'fat cat' isn't exclusively American. Its not really a contemporary American street term at all. Its slang, but its 'foreign' slang.

Especially for you Holdon...

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Definition:
A person who has great wealth and power; a tycoon.
Example:
1) Many of the city's fat cats eat at that steak restaurant on First Avenue. 2) Those fat cats in Washington are going to keep pressuring Congress to pass the tax bill.
Etymology:
This term comes from the 1920s, when it was used to describe wealthy contributors to American political parties.
Synonyms:
big shot

 

[Squishified]

Especially for you Holdon...

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Definition:
A person who has great wealth and power; a tycoon.
Example:
1) Many of the city's fat cats eat at that steak restaurant on First Avenue. 2) Those fat cats in Washington are going to keep pressuring Congress to pass the tax bill.
Etymology:
This term comes from the 1920s, when it was used to describe wealthy contributors to American political parties.
Synonyms:
big shot

:woohoo: Yay! I was right.

 

[Ames]

:woohoo: Yay! I was right.

Yep...you were. And I was right when I said that it was AMERICAN..and not Foreign slang....as holdon said it was. I wished that people would do more research before posting things as facts. Guess holdon was hoping that I wouldn't look it up.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yep...you were. And I was right when I said that it was AMERICAN..and not Foreign slang....as holdon said it was. I wished that people would do more research before posting things as facts. Guess holdon was hoping that I wouldn't look it up.

Its not EXCLUSIVELY American. It has evolved into a global socioeconomic term. Not exclusively foreign, either. Oops.