The actual vs. desired outcome

[BOESP]

Its not EXCLUSIVELY American. It has evolved into a global socioeconomic term. Not exclusively foreign, either. Oops.

John spoke of his "Atlanta Fat Cats" group. Here's a cut and paste from one of his interviews:

13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Those are the phrases
14 that we, you know, later we thought we had heard
15 from people around us who have tried to
16 reconstruct who, where.
17 MIKE KANE: When you say we thought?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy and I.
19 MIKE KANE: Okay. And how was it that you
20 heard?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, grow a brain, fat
22 cats. We'd heard those before.
23 MIKE KANE: Were you ever able to --
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we had some names
25 we came up with. We passed on (INAUDIBLE) our

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1 friends in Atlanta, "Atlanta fat cats " later in
2 that week.
3 MIKE KANE: When was that specifically?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: That was when she was back;
5 when we were back for the funeral.
6 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) friends saying that
7 about?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, when we went back, Rod
9 Westmoreland had like a little reception after the
10 funeral, and some of my friends were there, and he
11 has a beautiful home in Atlanta. He makes a lot of
12 money. It's not a stretch for him to have it. It's
13 very nice.
14 My friends were around me, consoling me and trying
15 to give me advice. And to be a part of that group
16 it's the Atlanta fat cats.

 

[JMO8778]

There was this brutal child murder with a brutal RN almost brandishing brutality

..anyone w/ an ounce of common sense can see the RN wasn't really brutal...it was just a cheap shot at trying to do so...since when do brutal criminals care enough to tell someone to 'be rested' and to be sure to bring a big enough attache???
The RN author was female,I posted that chart earlier.

and you're pointing fingers at the Ozzie and Harriet of criminality.

Ozzie and Harriet were wise enough to realize they'd better make it appear to be something they could never have done.

 

[JMO8778]

I find it very odd..that "three intruders" that were foreign, would even KNOW that John was from the south, which is referred to in the RN. Not only that, they had a very good grip on the english language....and could spell extremely well....attaché, for example. No..no foreigner wrote that ransom note.

foreigners don't usually understand the sections of the US we use here...as in midwest,southern,western,etc.Much less the phrase 'use that good southern common sense of yours'...that's just plain silly.It was obviously written by an American.
My foreign friend once told me he was a typical Mediterranean guy...I have no clue in heck what that means,just as he doesn't understand yankee,southern,cajun,etc. terms.

 

[JMO8778]

I am just about to that point too....Holdon makes stuff up, as he/she goes along. For example...he/she said.. that the word FAT CAT was "foreign slang". I looked it up, and it is in the American HERITAGE Dictionary. FAT CAT is an American Slang....not a foreign slang.

a foreigner would probably be so confused by the English language...(remember,English is not an easy language to learn) ..that he'd probably use the term 'big kitty' for that !

 

[JMO8778]

Let me ask you this...how did those three intruder's KNOW that they would find the supplies needed to write that RN? In other words, every home has a supplies for writing notes...how did they know that they could locate them? We keep ours in a drawer. Why the heck didn't they write one, and stick, it in their pocket, before even coming to the house.

I know,I do everything on my computer.I have a hard time finding any paper sometimes !
Criminals want a quick in and out...they don't like to waste precious time searching for what they need...they bring it w/ them.That's like saying a criminal knew there was a safe in the house,but he just figured he'd use tools from the home to break into it...noooo...he'd bring the tools w/ him !

 

[JMO8778]

Have you forgotten that the Ramsey's are STILL under an umbrella of suspicion? If it was so clear cut...that there were three intruders...then WHY are the Rams still suspects...after all these years?

they just keep trying to decorate that umbrella.reminds me of an umbrella my Kindergarten teacher decorated to look like a tree...she may have put leaves on it,but it was still an umbrella.

 

[JMO8778]

And don't forget the paint tote....oh, I got it...maybe the three intruders snuck in...on another night, and took the paint tote, and then when the Ramsey's weren't home, they just took a wild stab at the outfit that she would probably be wearing the night of the Christmas party...and they took it too. Then they scraped fibers from her jacket, onto the cord and tape....AND inside the paint tote, and brought all of that back with them, when they showed up Christmas night, to kidnapped JB. (Gee, I have just given them yet another IDI scenario to run with).

...yes and one of them was apparently psychic...he knew which outfit she was going to wear ahead of time !

 

[JMO8778]

HUH? I don't get what you are saying...I never said that No American curses. What I said was...if that RN was so "brutal"...then where are the curse words? It would be more like..."We have your fu--ing daughter, you sob". The RN was SOFT, motherly. I advise you to be well rested....etc. It doesn't sound like someone that is SO angry with John that they would want to kidnap or murder his daughter. How did the foreigners know that he was a "fat cat" and from the south? John and Patsy claimed to be Christians....Patsy was raised in church, (churches preach against cursing), therefore....that is why there are absolutely NO curse words in that "brutal" sounding RN.

it would have been more graphic,too..as in 'we're going to chop your daughter's head off w. a 15 inch steel blade, you %#%#$@!!!!',not simply 'behead' her.Patsy just said that to sound foreign.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

..anyone w/ an ounce of common sense can see the RN wasn't really brutal...

Beheading a child isn't brutal? On what planet is that?

 

[JMO8778]

Beheading a child isn't brutal? On what planet is that?

the way the note was written,but I've been over that.I'm sure you kwim.The note was not indicative of any real threat...JB was already dead,experts have detected that is inferred in the note,else why would anyone be even thinking of 'denying her remains'? Other indications are 'watching over'. A child who is alive is watched,not watched over.

 

[JMO8778]

Holdontoyourhat,


I'll pass on that one thanks. I prefer debating with rational people. You can count me out ever replying to any of your posts in the future.

me too.He's on ignore from now on.He just likes to give us the runaround..same ole,same ole..biased in favor of the R's,IMO.

 

[Ames]

Its not EXCLUSIVELY American. It has evolved into a global socioeconomic term. Not exclusively foreign, either. Oops.

Right...it started in America though, so it is not a "foreign slang". I have no doubt that other countries use that term, too. Like Japan...I could see them using it for some reason...because they like all things American.

 

[Ames]

foreigners don't usually understand the sections of the US we use here...as in midwest,southern,western,etc.Much less the phrase 'use that good southern common sense of yours'...that's just plain silly.It was obviously written by an American.
My foreign friend once told me he was a typical Mediterranean guy...I have no clue in heck what that means,just as he doesn't understand yankee,southern,cajun,etc. terms.

You are right...how would a foreigner know anything about our regions. And why in the world would he say..."use that good southern common sense of yours"....as if there is no good Northern, Western, or Eastern common sense. Why not just say..."use that common sense of yours". Frankly, I believe that if you analyze that sentence...it will make sense that a FELLOW SOUTHERNER wrote it....aka Patsy.

 

[Ames]

a foreigner would probably be so confused by the English language...(remember,English is not an easy language to learn) ..that he'd probably use the term 'big kitty' for that !

LOL..or large kitty.

So, a certain IDI on this board, wants us to believe...that three intruders....that were foreign....and learned some English phrases by watching "Speed" and "Dirty Harry", broke into the Ramsey home, intent on Kidnapping JB, but fouled up, and killed her instead. They must have watched ALOT of American movies, to have learned the language that well. I don't care what any IDI says...it is extremely odd that there was not ONE curse word...or any foul language at all...in that RN. This to me, adds to the fact that a WOMAN WROTE IT....its motherly, and has not one foul word, even though it is an almost three page ransom note....so there would have been plenty of time to add some, it if had of been real. Imagine that....an intruder that doesn't use curse words...in his "brutal" three page Ransom note. I could never, imagine Patsy cursing though...John, I could though. This shows a lack of real anger on the author's part.

 

[Ames]

I know,I do everything on my computer.I have a hard time finding any paper sometimes !
Criminals want a quick in and out...they don't like to waste precious time searching for what they need...they bring it w/ them.That's like saying a criminal knew there was a safe in the house,but he just figured he'd use tools from the home to break into it...noooo...he'd bring the tools w/ him !

Right...very good point!

 

[Ames]

...yes and one of them was apparently psychic...he knew which outfit she was going to wear ahead of time !

WOW...and remember how the intruder somehow managed to pulled the chair to the door, as he left....therefore blocking the door? John said that the intruder was "clever" because he could do that. So, now we have three intruders, one was a magician, one was a psychic, and all three of them must have been invisible, because they left no evidence behind. WOW...that's all that I can say. That is just totally amazing!!!!

 

[Ames]

it would have been more graphic,too..as in 'we're going to chop your daughter's head off w. a 15 inch steel blade, you %#%#$@!!!!',not simply 'behead' her.Patsy just said that to sound foreign.

What gets me is bring an "adequate sized attaché" ...what sort of intruder/kidnapper gives a rat's patootie what kind of case it is?? OR if it is adequate or not? A real note would have just said...bring us the @#$% money, and you will get your !#$% ing daughter back.

 

[Ames]

Beheading a child isn't brutal? On what planet is that?

OH but she WASN'T beheaded...now was she??? Real foreign intruders would have carried out their threat.

 

[icedtea4me]

What gets me is bring an "adequate sized attaché" ...what sort of intruder/kidnapper gives a rat's patootie what kind of case it is?? OR if it is adequate or not? A real note would have just said...bring us the @#$% money, and you will get your !#$% ing daughter back.

Exactly. The writer would have also referred to John as a son of a . Also, the syntax of the note is not foreign at all.


-Tea

 

[icedtea4me]

Wow. I fully expected that to be "edited". lol


-Tea