The actual vs. desired outcome

[DeeDee249]

No prints on the note (which the both admitted handling), no prints on the flashlight BATTERIES (MUCH more suspicious than the prints being wiped off the flashlight itself)- these SCREAM guilt to me.
And as usual, I don't recall seeing where ANY LE pressured the Rs to explain why neither of their prints were on the note if they both admitted handling it.

 

[Ames]

No prints on the note (which the both admitted handling), no prints on the flashlight BATTERIES (MUCH more suspicious than the prints being wiped off the flashlight itself)- these SCREAM guilt to me.
And as usual, I don't recall seeing where ANY LE pressured the Rs to explain why neither of their prints were on the note if they both admitted handling it.

I agree about those batteries....now that was pretty strange. WHY would an intruder HAVE to wiped down the batteries? (IDI's say that the when the intruder found the flashlight, and turned it on...the batteries were dead...and the intruder SOMEHOW...managed to use his magical powers and knew that the Ramsey's had some new ones somewhere, and he magically found them.... .....and that is why they needed to be wiped down). I still believe that the flashlight was part of the staging....they did that JUST IN CASE the neighbors said that they saw a flashlight beam (which they did)...and they could blame it on the intruder. The Ramsey's used that very same flashlight that night...at some point...SO..they wipe it down, and the batteries and place it on the counter, to make it look like an intruder did it. Because WHY would the owners of a flashlight need to wipe it down...and the batteries....because, theirs were the ONLY prints that would be found on it.

 

[DeeDee249]

Funny, for an intruder to have done all of this: climbing in through the small basement window after removing the metal grate (imagine how that would sound on a quiet Christmas night), landing in a pitch black basement (the flashlight belonged to the house and was kept in the kitchen), finding their way upstairs, the abduction of JBR from her room with a sibling down the hall, looking through kitchen cabinets (you know how noisy that is in a quiet house?) for the bowl, glass, spoon, etc, searching for fresh batteries, wiping the flashlight and batteries, wiping the kleenex box (was THAT ever tested for prints- I bet not)- then going to the basement, committing the sexual assault and the head bash, searching through wrapped gifts for panties that they had NO way of knowing existed, searching for garrotting materials and tape, finding the blanket(s) (how'd they know they were in the dryer? JBR's bed shows NO evidence a blanket was pulled off the bed- the foot of the bed was too neat; exiting the home (how? climbing UP the wall out that window. No way. Climbing in and jumping down is one thing- climbing out is another- all without breaking that spider web EITHER way). Homes that have burglar alarms are can usually be set to ring a tone or beep when doors and windows are opened, alerting the family. How did the intruder know whether the alarm was set or not? Of course in this case, we all know JR conveniently covered that problem by stating the alarm wasn't set. And how was an intruder supposed to know that?

 

[icedtea4me]

JR himself said if he'd staged it,he could have done a better job.I think he meant it.He knew the staging was poor,and I don't think he ever thought Patsy would get away with it.Thus the reason for his wanting to ASAP out of town,when JB's body was found.

I thought the exact same thing when I read that, JMO8778. Here's, what I consider to be, an interesting slip by Patsy in her June 1998 interview-

14 TOM HANEY: Did he say he was going
15 to go check on Burke or did you tell him to, or
16 do you recall?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I just don't recall.
18 TOM HANEY: He leaves presumably,
19 to do that. You're standing here still, you're
20 the other red X. What do you do?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: I went back
22 downstairs.
23 TOM HANEY: Maybe this time with a
24 broken line you can just indicate going back
25 down.
0044
1 (MS. RAMSEY COMPLIES.)
2 TOM HANEY: You're still the green
3 one. You come down the spiral stairs. The note
4 is--
5 PATSY RAMSEY: The note is --
6 TOM HANEY: -- same place,
7 different place?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Somewhere in this
9 area, maybe still on the floor or something, you
10 know. I don't know what happened to it exactly
11 when I bounded upstairs. I think it was right
12 there somewhere.

If the note is still on the floor, then that means it was never on the stairs in the first place.


-Tea

 

[JMO8778]

I thought the exact same thing when I read that, JMO8778. Here's, what I consider to be, an interesting slip by Patsy in her June 1998 interview-

14 TOM HANEY: Did he say he was going
15 to go check on Burke or did you tell him to, or
16 do you recall?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I just don't recall.
18 TOM HANEY: He leaves presumably,
19 to do that. You're standing here still, you're
20 the other red X. What do you do?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: I went back
22 downstairs.
23 TOM HANEY: Maybe this time with a
24 broken line you can just indicate going back
25 down.
0044
1 (MS. RAMSEY COMPLIES.)
2 TOM HANEY: You're still the green
3 one. You come down the spiral stairs. The note
4 is--
5 PATSY RAMSEY: The note is --
6 TOM HANEY: -- same place,
7 different place?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Somewhere in this
9 area, maybe still on the floor or something, you
10 know. I don't know what happened to it exactly
11 when I bounded upstairs. I think it was right
12 there somewhere.

If the note is still on the floor, then that means it was never on the stairs in the first place.


-Tea

good catch !! I'm also floored by the 'but what if we hadn't killed her' line by JR in DOI.What???? I know he was trying to speak hypothetically,but it didn't work,and that line just never sat right w/ me when I read the book.

 

[BBB167893]

You'll be eating those words.

I'm not holding my breath, sir.

As I'm sure you know, handwriting has hundreds of facets, and any two people that you pick are going to share some facets.

In all fairness, that's probably true. But what I showed you were just the tip of the iceberg.

They say she didn't write it. So did federal agents that were assigned to the task, not bought by the tabloids.

As my friends have ably pointed out, no one said she didn't write it, just that they couldn't be sure.

The only way RDI can argue that PR wrote the note is by winning the wildcard disguised handwriting argument,

I'm ready when you are! How's this:

Carol McKinley stated in the Fox News story that Ramseys sued Fox over: "Many forensic document examiners have given their opinions as to who wrote the note. But the only one to testify before a grand jury in the case was Chet Ubowski, forensic document examiner for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. Out of 100 people he analyzed for the Boulder Police Department, he found ONLY ONE person whom he thought may have authored the document, Patsy Ramsey. Investigative sources tell Fox News that the disguised letters and bleeding ink from the felt tipped pen used to write the note kept him from 100 percent ID of Mrs. Ramsey."

Incidentally, you did look at the comparisons I provided, right?

That idea makes no sense, or they would have left the 2nd ligature tightly bound and not just loosely slipped over her wrists.

Uh-huh.

Question for RDI: Why were there no fingerprints found on the RN?

I was going to ask YOU the same question!

Incidentally, Holdon, I had something that I wanted to bring up just for you.
Now, you maintain that whoever wrote the note was of foreign birth and that English was not their first language. I shall now list why I find that unlikely:

-The writer has no trouble with large, complicated words like "monitor," "authorities," and "attache," complete with accent marks.

-The writer knows the proper structure and grammar of English.

-The writer knows English punctuation excellently, so much so that they went to pains to make sue it was correct.

-The writer indents to begin new paragraphs.

-The writer knows about editing symbols.

Okay. Now, I will list some elements that point to Patsy:

-The note is written like a letter. It even has a salutation and a closing, placed in their proper places, not just a solid block of writing.

-The note is very detail-oriented. The writer doesn't say "bring a briefcase," but an "adequate-sized attache." Instead of "put the money in a bag," it says "a brown paper bag."

-The note writer phrases these as instructions, not as demands. There is the air of a mother chastising a child. Sounds like my mother reminding me to wear clean underwear in case I was in an accident when I was a kid.

-The note is very informal and familiar, with many personal pronouns.

-The writer shows concern about being rested.

-The note is written passive voice instead of active voice.

-A journalism major would know these things, would they not? Patsy was proud of her journalism major.

Heck, don't take my word fot it. Here's Robert Ressler on the subject:

JonBenet's mom fits the profile of the person who wrote the phony ransom note found in the Ramsey home, reveals former FBI expert. Robert K. Ressler, who helped establish criminal profiling for the feds, says that the style and language and information contained in the note point to an approximately 40-year-old white woman from the South as the author. Ressler also was reported to state: 'It's absolutely phony. Usually a ransom note just gives the basics. This one was full of colorful language and mixed messages. Then there's the matter of why any kidnapper would demand money when the victim's body was left behind. It didn't make sense' "Ressler points out that the language is feminine. 'There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms.' "60's-era expressions like 'fat cat,' French-influenced vocabulary such as 'attache' and the demand for $118,000 might also point to someone like Patsy, who grew up in the 60's, studied French and was familiar with her husband's finances. Someone else with that knowledge probably would have demanded more."

Your move.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Incidentally, Holdon, I had something that I wanted to bring up just for you.
Now, you maintain that whoever wrote the note was of foreign birth and that English was not their first language. I shall now list why I find that unlikely:

-The writer has no trouble with large, complicated words like "monitor," "authorities," and "attache," complete with accent marks.

-The writer knows the proper structure and grammar of English.

-The writer knows English punctuation excellently, so much so that they went to pains to make sue it was correct.

-The writer indents to begin new paragraphs.

-The writer knows about editing symbols.

Okay. Now, I will list some elements that point to Patsy:

-The note is written like a letter. It even has a salutation and a closing, placed in their proper places, not just a solid block of writing.

-The note is very detail-oriented. The writer doesn't say "bring a briefcase," but an "adequate-sized attache." Instead of "put the money in a bag," it says "a brown paper bag."

-The note writer phrases these as instructions, not as demands. There is the air of a mother chastising a child. Sounds like my mother reminding me to wear clean underwear in case I was in an accident when I was a kid.

-The note is very informal and familiar, with many personal pronouns.

-The writer shows concern about being rested.

-The note is written passive voice instead of active voice.

-A journalism major would know these things, would they not? Patsy was proud of her journalism major.

Heck, don't take my word fot it. Here's Robert Ressler on the subject:

JonBenet's mom fits the profile of the person who wrote the phony ransom note found in the Ramsey home, reveals former FBI expert. Robert K. Ressler, who helped establish criminal profiling for the feds, says that the style and language and information contained in the note point to an approximately 40-year-old white woman from the South as the author. Ressler also was reported to state: 'It's absolutely phony. Usually a ransom note just gives the basics. This one was full of colorful language and mixed messages. Then there's the matter of why any kidnapper would demand money when the victim's body was left behind. It didn't make sense' "Ressler points out that the language is feminine. 'There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms.' "60's-era expressions like 'fat cat,' French-influenced vocabulary such as 'attache' and the demand for $118,000 might also point to someone like Patsy, who grew up in the 60's, studied French and was familiar with her husband's finances. Someone else with that knowledge probably would have demanded more."

Your move.

Who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct, and misspells 'business' all at the same time?

Not PR.

She would not correct punctuation and misspell business. If you tell me that PR deliberately misspelled business, disguised her handwriting, while correcting her own punctuation, I'll tell you its all in your imagination. Its stuff you have to make up so the PR idea continues to fit in your head.

So, again, who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct while misspelling business? Well, jeepers, maybe its a student of English who is still learning and trying, making mistakes in both punctuation and spelling. Hello?

 

[DeeDee249]

Who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct, and misspells 'business' all at the same time?

Not PR.

She would not correct punctuation and misspell business. If you tell me that PR deliberately misspelled business, disguised her handwriting, while correcting her own punctuation, I'll tell you its all in your imagination. Its stuff you have to make up so the PR idea continues to fit in your head.

So, again, who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct while misspelling business? Well, jeepers, maybe its a student of English who is still learning and trying, making mistakes in both punctuation and spelling. Hello?

Who spells "attache" correctly with the accent, (as well as every word in the rest of the note except: "bussiness") while (deliberately) mis-spelling "Bussiness"? An educated American trying to mislead police.

 

[JMO8778]

Who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct, and misspells 'business' all at the same time?

Not PR.

yes she did,she was all out to save her own behind.
Perhaps a better question would be,why would Patsy NOT go to the trouble of doing that,if she knew she was going to be a suspect in JB's death??? She surely would go to that much trouble,and more,and the note is definitely 'more',as in,way over the top !

She would not correct punctuation and misspell business. If you tell me that PR deliberately misspelled business, disguised her handwriting, while correcting her own punctuation, I'll tell you its all in your imagination. Its stuff you have to make up so the PR idea continues to fit in your head.

Patsy couldn't even get it right as to whether a KN would drop off a child,or the parent would pick her up!
Just as JR did,she was trying for the hypothetical,and it didn't work.

So, again, who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct while misspelling business? Well, jeepers, maybe its a student of English who is still learning and trying, making mistakes in both punctuation and spelling. Hello?

hello...foreigners don't usually spell all that poorly...it's usually the verbs,tenses and transitions they get wrong.
Words like say,said,were and was are frequently misused....mistakes like 'what did you said?' are common.Phrases like 'brown paper bag' are American...I would expect a foreigner to say something like 'a tan cellulose sack'.But then again... a true KN wouldn't bother with details such as what to put the money in...they wouldn't care...just get the money ! What you put it in is your problem,not theirs !
And last but not least...how would a foreigner know of things such as 'good southern common sense' ???? It doesn't even make any sense that they would ! A foreigner didn't write the note...Karr didn't write the note...(he could have done a better job of it if he had..) ..PATSY wrote the note !!!! No one but Patsy would know all the inside things in that RN,as well as all the *American style writing and phrasing of the note.Nothing else fits.NO one else fits.
Deal with it.

 

[JMO8778]

-The writer shows concern about being rested.

I'm wondering what you think about the whole note originally being a ruse to buy some time and get the body out of the house,as well as account for her missing,(or being found dead,if she was found) ..that's what I get out of it.'Be rested' meaning 'stay home'.'We will call you tomorrow' =this buys them 24 hours to carry out a plan.I think Patsy pictured herself walking down the stairs to find the note that morning,thus 'tomorrow' would be the 27th.
'You will be denied her remains'..speaks for itself.'If we monitor you getting the money early'..this accounts for why JR would be seen leaving the house early that morning,to hide the body.'We will call you between 8 and 10am tomorrow'...this gives them a deadline.'If we catch you talking to a stray dog,she dies'..again,speaks for itself.They planned to contact someone before the deadline,and that would be an excuse as to why the call never came..the KN's found out about it,thus her remains were 'denied'.However,I don't think it would have been FBI,police or bank authorities,since the note specifically mentioned those,and JR needed an excuse as to why he didn't alert anyone as to what was going on,and that's why those 3 were mentioned.Any thoughts?
I think plans changed at the last moment,due to what you said..it was just too risky.Someone would have noticed something was amiss,and unless they lived in the middle of nowhere,it would be just another normal day that day to everyone else,and if they'd tried to stay home and carry out the plan,someone would have picked up on something..BR's friends would be knocking on the door wanting to play,friends etc.,would be calling,maybe neighbors stopping by,and so on.It just wouldn't have worked.

-The note is written passive voice instead of active voice.

exactly ! I was looking for the right words as to why I don't sense any real threat from the note...that's it.

 

[Solace]

I'm not holding my breath, sir.

I'm ready when you are! How's this:

Carol McKinley stated in the Fox News story that Ramseys sued Fox over: "Many forensic document examiners have given their opinions as to who wrote the note. But the only one to testify before a grand jury in the case was Chet Ubowski, forensic document examiner for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. Out of 100 people he analyzed for the Boulder Police Department, he found ONLY ONE person whom he thought may have authored the document, Patsy Ramsey. Investigative sources tell Fox News that the disguised letters and bleeding ink from the felt tipped pen used to write the note kept him from 100 percent ID of Mrs. Ramsey."

Pretty good SD. But I have a feeling that HOldon will just glance over it.

 

[JMO8778]

'If we catch you talking to a stray dog,she dies'..again,speaks for itself.They planned to contact someone before the deadline,and that would be an excuse as to why the call never came..the KN's found out about it,thus her remains were 'denied'.However,I don't think it would have been FBI,police or bank authorities,since the note specifically mentioned those,and JR needed an excuse as to why he didn't alert anyone as to what was going on,and that's why those 3 were mentioned.Any thoughts?

was just thinking...maybe they *would have contacted one of those...well after the body was hidden...since those 3 were mentioned (?) Maybe they were mentioned for both reasons? IOW-*don't contact them...that gives JR some leeway...but then *do contact them,((when plans are finished)),and thus,you have a built in reason for why the call never comes.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The perp was showing off his 'knowledge' of who he meant when he originally wrote 'speaking to anyone about your situation'. He was elaborating and listing examples of who anyone was, and that it included stray dogs. IMO the RN author intended to use threats against JBR's daughter to keep police at bay during the morning hours.

Anyone involved in a child kidnapping or murder is not going to want police alerted while they're still driving around the neighborhood. That's why the whole gist of the RN was what JR was going to do (get money) and not going to do (talk to anyone) during the morning hours.

JR instead called 911, so where do you get this idea that 'JR needed an excuse' for not contacting anyone??

 

[JMO8778]

The perp was showing off his 'knowledge' of who he meant when he originally wrote 'speaking to anyone about your situation'. He was elaborating and listing examples of who anyone was, and that it included stray dogs. IMO the RN author intended to use threats against JBR's daughter to keep police at bay during the morning hours.

Anyone involved in a child kidnapping or murder is not going to want police alerted while they're still driving around the neighborhood. That's why the whole gist of the RN was what JR was going to do (get money) and not going to do (talk to anyone) during the morning hours.

that's just ludicrious.the reason the note was so long was the R's needed to account for the things I already mentioned.HAD it not been so long,it would have appeared more realistic;however,Patsy just thoroughly overdid it...just her style...like she overdid everything !

JR instead called 911, so where do you get this idea that 'JR needed an excuse' for not contacting anyone??

yes,as I stated already,plans changed.the note was written in a moment of panic,not long after the murder,IMO.After calming down a bit,JR making a few phone calls,realizing the whole thing wasn't going to work and being too afraid to carry it out anyway...I believe they settled for JB being left in the WC as she was.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That makes no sense. The time to be 'too afraid to carry this out' was before staging a capital murder scene in your own basement, don't you think?

The idea that JR or PR went back and forth between delaying the finding of JBR and calling 911 right away is too paradoxical, too self-contradictory to have any basis in reality.

Staging a capital murder scene in your own basement and calling 911 reporting a kidnapping (sure to invite not only local LE but FBI as well) is way too paradoxical to be believeable.

RDI just isn't very realistic. It contradicts itself all the time.

Its far more likely they read the RN and decided to override criminals wishes and called 911. Its what many if not most people would do.

 

[rashomon]

That makes no sense. The time to be 'too afraid to carry this out' was before staging a capital murder scene in your own basement, don't you think?

The idea that JR or PR went back and forth between delaying the finding of JBR and calling 911 right away is too paradoxical, too self-contradictory to have any basis in reality.

Staging a capital murder scene in your own basement and calling 911 reporting a kidnapping (sure to invite not only local LE but FBI as well) is way too paradoxical to be believeable.

RDI just isn't very realistic. It contradicts itself all the time.

Its far more likely they read the RN and decided to override criminals wishes and called 911. Its what many if not most people would do.

It makes far less sense for an intruder to have left the body behind with a ransom note. In case of a kidnapping gone wrong, just snatch your ransom note and make it outta here.

But the Ramseys could not just leave the crime scene like an intruder. For they were stuck in their home with a dead body they didn't dare to get rid of after all. Simple as that. So they kept their ransom note to 'explain' to LE the alleged reason for JonBenet 's death (= 'garrotted' by the SFF)
A criminal profiler said that when a scene is staged to make you look one way, you should look exactly the other way. So what was hidden? The true cause for JonBenet's death: the head wound, in all probablility inflicted through a parental rage attack.

jmo

 

[BOESP]

That makes no sense. The time to be 'too afraid to carry this out' was before staging a capital murder scene in your own basement, don't you think?

The idea that JR or PR went back and forth between delaying the finding of JBR and calling 911 right away is too paradoxical, too self-contradictory to have any basis in reality.

Staging a capital murder scene in your own basement and calling 911 reporting a kidnapping (sure to invite not only local LE but FBI as well) is way too paradoxical to be believeable.

RDI just isn't very realistic. It contradicts itself all the time.

Its far more likely they read the RN and decided to override criminals wishes and called 911. Its what many if not most people would do.

Please give examples of the contradictions you claim are made that aren't realistic (see bold-face above). We RDIs can't address your open-ended comments when they are so vague.

Also, please give us the paradox you refer to in paragraph two above. Your statement has no bearing on whether or not Patsy killed JonBenet or anyone else killed JonBenet. It is simply your opinion of someone's motives and actions and neither you, I, nor any other poster here has access to that knowledge unless you are John Ramsey posting about himself, which I highly doubt.

I believe you are overstating your opinion by claiming anyone staged a capital murder case since the scene suggests a disorganized killer trying to disguise events surrounding JonBenet's death. Mark Fuhrman stated to Steve Thomas that he believed they had a case of Murder One, presumably against Patsy Ramsey and/or John Ramsey. It is logical to assume those two cops' opinions are based on evidence from the crime but their learned opinion doesn't fit your belief of IDI. So, please state the facts that show anyone staged a capital murder scene.

 

[DeeDee249]

It makes far less sense for an intruder to have left the body behind with a ransom note. In case of a kidnapping gone wrong, just snatch your ransom note and make it outta here.

But the Ramseys could not just leave the crime scene like an intruder. For they were stuck in their home with a dead body they didn't dare to get rid of after all. Simple as that. So they kept their ransom note to 'explain' to LE the alleged reason for JonBenet 's death (= 'garrotted' by the SFF)
A criminal profiler said that when a scene is staged to make you look one way, you should look exactly the other way. So what was hidden? The true cause for JonBenet's death: the head wound, in all probablility inflicted through a parental rage attack.

jmo

I totally agree. The Rs had to find a way to explain why their child was dead in their basement with a smashed skull. (and vaginal injuries). The smashed skull wasn't apparent. Neither were the vaginal injuries. So they had to stage a death where the cause of death WAS apparent. The garrotte.
The vaginal injuries could have happened in several ways. IF JBR was being "douched" vigorously that night, that may have accounted for a few things: the scream (after which PR reacted in a rage and slammed her skull into something), AND the vaginal trauma with bleeding from the vagina (later revealed at autopsy as well as the evidence it was wiped away).
OR the vaginal injuries could have been the result of sexual assault
OR the vaginal injuries were staged to hide previous assault.

 

[JMO8778]

I totally agree. The Rs had to find a way to explain why their child was dead in their basement with a smashed skull. (and vaginal injuries). The smashed skull wasn't apparent. Neither were the vaginal injuries. So they had to stage a death where the cause of death WAS apparent. The garrotte.
The vaginal injuries could have happened in several ways. IF JBR was being "douched" vigorously that night, that may have accounted for a few things: the scream (after which PR reacted in a rage and slammed her skull into something), AND the vaginal trauma with bleeding from the vagina (later revealed at autopsy as well as the evidence it was wiped away).
OR the vaginal injuries could have been the result of sexual assault
OR the vaginal injuries were staged to hide previous assault.

I tend to think it was that.Thomas thought the injuries came from corporal punishment/cleaning,and I believe he had basis for saying that.He also said he hoped JB was unconscious when the vag. wound occurred.
To me that leaves enough room for doubt that I think since a scream *was heard,and Thomas rules out a sexual assault,JB very likely could have been injured by Patsy's punishment cleaning and she screamed from the sheer pain of it.Perhaps that's why she said she had flashbacks of JB screaming?? And then the scream was said to have stopped suddenly,and so the head injury could have occurred then,as you say.
I do question whether this all occurred in JB's room or bathroom though...if so,then could it have still been heard by Stanton across the St? The basement was a much better conductor of sound in that direction.Perhaps Patsy took her to the basement for punishment,so BR wouldn't hear the daily bathroom brawls that LHP heard? And then since Stanton's husb. heard the scraping sound,it seems to me that was the paint cans being moved in the WC to make room for JB's body.
I also wonder if perhaps Patsy jabbed her w the paintbrush as punishment,or was that just an attempt to stage a sexual assault after she was unconcious?
I tend to agree with the Murder One comment;one thing Patsy said gets me to thinking that it was no accident...'I know in my heart I didn't do this'.I think what she meant was 'I know in my heart I didn't mean to do this'.So if she was in denial and trying hard to convince herself it was all an accident...it seems to me there was some intent there.And she could only live w herself if she convinced herself there wasn't.

 

[BBB167893]

Who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct, and misspells 'business' all at the same time?

The same kind of person who goes to pains to point out grammatical flourishes and misspells "sure," that's who! LOL.

Not PR.

If I can screw up, she can screw up! She and I actually share some common ground, and I know that it is sometimes hard for me to remember if a word has a double consonant or not.

She would not correct punctuation and misspell business

Oh, so you were there?

If you tell me that PR deliberately misspelled business, disguised her handwriting, while correcting her own punctuation, I'll tell you its all in your imagination.

Never even entered my head.

So, again, who 'goes to pains' to make sure punctuation is correct while misspelling business? Well, jeepers, maybe its a student of English who is still learning and trying, making mistakes in both punctuation and spelling. Hello?

Oh, I don't know. I make mistakes all the time, and I could read at the 10th grade level when I was five-years-old. We can't be perfect, you know.

The idea that JR or PR went back and forth between delaying the finding of JBR and calling 911 right away is too paradoxical, too self-contradictory to have any basis in reality.

Actually, if you read the gist of the conversation between my brother and myself you might find it interesting.

Staging a capital murder scene in your own basement and calling 911 reporting a kidnapping (sure to invite not only local LE but FBI as well) is way too paradoxical to be believeable.

What choice was there?

RDI just isn't very realistic. It contradicts itself all the time.

If you'd like to go point-by-point, I'll accomodate you.