The Alarm/Security System

[Satchie]

Maybe this is too simple or I'm not understanding all of this correctly, but what if CWW used BS's code at the 6:01 am deactivation on Sunday the 28th?

Yes, I think that's the assumption LE are going on.

 

[Satchie]

BBM. I think this shows up when an entry point is unsecured. The system won't arm with, for ex, a door open so the panel is telling the user, shut the door and arm, or bypass monitoring that door.

I agree, it appears on the screen to communicate and flag an issue for the user. What I'm questioning is why it was, apparently, preserved in the system memory as an 'event'. It makes sense the system memory records all the entrances and exits, but I can't see why that message was logged - it must happen lots and just goes away when the open window, etc is shut.

 

[observation]

Wow- just chiming in here to state there has been some really amazing thoughts and conversations going back and forth on this thread. Just amazing!


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[Scout]

The following is from this User Manual: http://www.advancealarms.com/user-manuals/dsc-1832.pdf (Page 5)


Away Arming
Arming the system in the Away mode will have all interior zones and perimeter zones active. If motion is detected in the interior zones, or if one of the perimeter zones is violated, the alarm sequence will begin. To arm in the Away mode, enter your access code and exit the premises through a designated Exit/Entry door. The system will recognize that occupants have left the premises. Once the exit delay expires, the system will be fully armed.

If your installer has programmed the “Away” function key, you can use it at any time to Away arm your system. Press and hold the key for 2 seconds to initiate away arming. If your system is stay armed, pressing the Away key will turn on the interior zones and the system will be away armed.

Audible Exit Fault
In an attempt to reduce false alarms, the Audible Exit Fault is designed to notify you of an improper exit when arming the system in the Away mode. In the event that you fail to exit the premises during the allotted exit delay period, or if you do not securely close the Exit/Entry door, the system will notify you that it was improperly armed in two ways: the keypad will emit one continuous beep and the bell or siren will sound. If this occurs, you must re-enter the premises, enter your access code to disarm the system, and then follow the arming procedure again, making sure to exit the premises in the proper fashion. Your installer will tell you if the Audible Exit Fault has been enabled on your system.

Stay Arming
This feature, if enabled by your installer, will allow you to arm the perimeter zones while leaving the interior zones inactive so that you can remain on the premises while the system is armed. When you enter your security code to arm the system and do not exit the premises through a designated Exit/ Entry door, the system will arm in the Stay mode, automatically bypassing the interior zones.


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My comments: So maybe BS entered her code but didn't push Stay resulting in the system being armed in Away mode. Then didn't exit through the designated door (laundry to garage door) quickly enough resulting in the motion sensors being bypassed. I'm kind of surprised the display didn't show that it went into Stay mode in that case though.

Still unclear on the 14, but maybe I'm just being dense.

 

[Satchie]

Scout or anyone else? Can you double check the last image in this sequence - to me it actually looks like "Armed in Away Mode". This would make sense based on something I read in the manual.

0019-System
8:58a 06/27/15

Closing by
User Code 03

0018-System
8:58a 06/27/15

Armed
in Stay Mode

 

[MinnesotaMary]

I am trying to play 'catch up' on all of this. Kindly explain why in the world CWW would possibly risk alarm fiddling in bright sunny Fla. dawn, rental car with MO license plate (logically passerbys - pedestrians or folks in cars would look to see, 'Hey what state is that license plate?' & 'Who's here from out of town staying with which neighbor???') folks out walking their dogs & BONNIE ARRIVING ANY MINUTE ?? This all implies that MS had a burner phone going with CWW alerting CWW of Bonnie's minute-by-minute location... The whole idea seems ridiculously risky, illogical (even for 'those 2's IQ levels). Hey, IQuestion: Perhaps you can enlighten us all :thinking:

 

[irishchook]

Thanks, irish! I had overlooked those pics. Hmmm.

You're very welcome! I can do more if needed. Please let me know which ones are still not legible.

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[Satchie]

I am trying to play 'catch up' on all of this. Kindly explain why in the world CWW would possibly risk alarm fiddling in bright sunny Fla. dawn, rental car.. The whole idea seems ridiculously risky, illogical

I don't why, but for some reason they wanted to get into the house in advance. My guess is that, in least in part, they wanted to be familiar with the scene - where to park and how to get to the house on foot, the layout, the dogs, etc, so as to be able to review throughout the day the plan for that night.

Most older people, like BS, are very consistent in their morning routine, for eg always get up at 6:30. She wasn't due for at least 1.5 hours.

For sure, it's taking a risk but I bet they had their excuse ready: "MS asked me to come and fix his computer, just call him and ask."

 

[irishchook]

I don't why, but for some reason they wanted to get into the house in advance. My guess is that, in least in part, they wanted to be familiar with the scene - where to park and how to get to the house on foot, the layout, the dogs, etc, so as to be able to review throughout the day the plan for that night.

Most older people, like BS, are very consistent in their morning routine, for eg always get up at 6:30. She wasn't due for at least 1.5 hours.

For sure, it's taking a risk but I bet they had their excuse ready: "MS asked me to come and fix his computer, just call him and ask."

Sorry for the O/T, but this makes me envision JRR "boosting" CW over the fence (like we did as kids with our fingers cross hatched).
I wonder how many times he had to get him over.
Of course, If that is the way they entered the property.

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[Satchie]

The following is from this User Manual: http://www.advancealarms.com/user-manuals/dsc-1832.pdf (Page 5)
To arm in the Away mode, enter your access code and exit the premises through a designated Exit/Entry door.

I think that's what BS did, not only at 8 am on the 28th, but also at 8:58 am on the 27th.

Which leads me to suspect there weren't any active motion detectors, or the dogs would have tripped the alarm on the 27th.

So rather than CWW disabling the motion dectectors, maybe MS had already done that. Maybe CWW's job, after the hit, was to enable them again?

 

[SWFlorida]

Could it be that there were no motion detectors, just window and door alarms?

 

[Scout]

Scout or anyone else? Can you double check the last image in this sequence - to me it actually looks like "Armed in Away Mode". This would make sense based on something I read in the manual.View attachment 87185

0019-System
8:58a 06/27/15

Closing by
User Code 03

0018-System
8:58a 06/27/15

Armed
in Stay Mode

Yes. It says Armed in Away Mode. Did I have it wrong in my list?

 

[Scout]

Scout or anyone else? Can you double check the last image in this sequence - to me it actually looks like "Armed in Away Mode". This would make sense based on something I read in the manual.View attachment 87185

0019-System
8:58a 06/27/15

Closing by
User Code 03

0018-System
8:58a 06/27/15

Armed
in Stay Mode

Thank you Satchie. I have fixed the original post. If you or anyone else spot any other errors, please point them out. We need accurate data! Sorry for that error.

That changes things, doesn't it? My theory isn't holding up.

 

[Scout]

From: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B717FUtKwdU8WmMteDA0V1hjMzA
Page 5
"Enter Data"

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Can you do the other six images of the keypad in this sequence?

 

[irishchook]

Can you do the other six images of the keypad in this sequence?

Sure. To be sure, Is it from the same pdf that I referenced?

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[irishchook]

Can you do the other six images of the keypad in this sequence?

Second image from same batch.
"...Edit
User...01"

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[Scout]

Sure. To be sure, Is it from the same pdf that I referenced?

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Yes. I can see some of it, but I want to be sure I'm not missing anything.

 

[Webjunkie]

Could it be that there were no motion detectors, just window and door alarms?

This type of alarm is programmed to ignore the pets. It can detect the mass/size of the object and know if it is standing up or like a dog on the ground. My alarm is almost 10 years old, similar to this one, and that is how it was explained by the installer. So there are still motion detectors as well as window & door alarms that alert to human intruders while ignoring a 50 lb dog.

 

[creepingskills]

I agree, it appears on the screen to communicate and flag an issue for the user. What I'm questioning is why it was, apparently, preserved in the system memory as an 'event'. It makes sense the system memory records all the entrances and exits, but I can't see why that message was logged - it must happen lots and just goes away when the open window, etc is shut.

I wonder if the system logged this event because CWW engaged the alarm system at 6AM, but the alarm failed to arm (due to the error) until BS armed it two hours later.

I'm guessing that alarm companies would want to record this kind of information and they do. If you think about, the panel knows the user was trying to arm the system at 6AM, and at the same time a door/window open/unlocked. If the user fails to correct that identified "open" area, one would hope there would be a record of it on the log. IOW, when CWW left the panel seeking additional action by the user for two hours this prompted the system to record the event? Just a stab in the dark.:moo:

 

[MsArk]

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