The British Royal Family - news, views, clothes & shoes! #10

[escape2sc]

I think the documentary set up the divorce narrative. Meghan's interview set up the narrative that the British press was brutal and she feels stifled in the royal cage. Harry's interview discussed his mental health. Meghan will definitely go to L.A. I am not sure about Harry going to LA, I think he will stay in the UK but stay out of sight until Remembrance Day and the story will be he flew back from L.A. but if he goes it will be for the Oprah Apple tv filming. Meghan will get some pap walks in..Harry will return to the U.K. and Meghan will stay in L.A.

I feel for Harry. From 2012 - 2016, Harry went on Royal tours, performed numerous royal engagements, launched Invictus, went to the South Pole with Walking with the Wounded, and championed Sentebale and Well Child and HIV testing..and visited several countries for military training or ceremonies, charity fundraisers, and official royal duties. His popularity was at an all time high...and the crowds where ever he was went crazy. Yet he performed all his duties with 'royal' professionalism coated with Harry's charm and wit. In the last year, he has spent more time out of the public eye than since he was in school.

Harry has known his entire life that William was destined to be King and he was not. He has always known they were on different paths. William and Catherine were married in 2011, and by 2016, Harry was Uncle to George and Charlotte. Harry never appeared to be jealous of William, seemed to adore Kate and loved being an uncle.

While Diana's death has been an issue he has talked about for decades..obviously bothering him a great deal..he seemed to manage it well. Much better than he is now.

Harry's life is exactly the same now as it has been since he became old enough to perform royal duties. It is the same now as it was in 2012 when he started to win over the hearts of people worldwide. The only thing that has changed is now he is a husband and father..perhaps he is feeling Diana's absence more with those two changes. But Harry started to appear he was losing his way - his spark when he became engaged. Though up until this documentary, he almost always appeared as the old Harry when on solo engagements - dressed sharp, smiling and playful.

I am not a fan of Meghan's. I think she knew quite a bit about the royal family and Harry before she met him. I think after working on Suits and in the industry for years, attending galas and fashion shows in NY and reportedly having a BA in Communications..I think Meghan is very knowledgeable about the press and tabloids and what to say to portray a certain image. I think Sunshine Sachs was hired to raise her profile to return to the U.S. And I think everything she has done since she joined the royal family has been played for the U.S. audience cause it is obvious by her actions that she doesn't give a fig about the British.

For the record... my dislike of Meghan has everything to do with her character and actions..and absolutely nothing to do with her being bi-racial. I have a darker complexion than she does..without makeup.

IMO

 

[gregjrichards]

Maybe the Palace does need to institute a gag order since M and H are in effect employed by them. Maybe a non-disclosure agreement is
useful here as what's to stop an angry royal
from spilling more royal secrets or rumors?

I think that would be pretty pointless the royals are not likely to sue one of their own family. I bet Her Majesty, Prince Charles and the Duke of Cambridge are concerned about how bad things are going to get. Between the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Prince Andrew I can’t imagine there will be much joy at Sandringham for the royals this Christmas it is going to be an awkward family reunion.

 

[gregjrichards]

I think Oprah will invite them. Doesn't she have a 92 million dollar mansion or maybe it is 29 milling? Anyway, Oprah has plenty of room.

I still think an Ellen Show is in the works.

I do hope that Archie meets his other relatives.

Oprah has a $90 million mansion in Montecito



The Promised Land of Oprah Winfrey

I don’t think they will be staying at Doria’s for privacy and security reasons.

 

[Herat]

UGH re Oprah's house. Thanksgiving is family time, not jet setting to mansions of washed up celebrities. If they go to a big mansion then their issues get worse.

Yeah It might be nice to go there for Thanksgiving Dinner, her mother included, of course, but I can't imagine them staying in Oprah's home. Or, worse yet, Ellen's home !

There needs to be family bonding. Not celebrity bonding. Perhaps this is part of the issue? Hmmm.

 

[Kensie]

I think the documentary set up the divorce narrative. Meghan's interview set up the narrative that the British press was brutal and she feels stifled in the royal cage. Harry's interview discussed his mental health. Meghan will definitely go to L.A. I am not sure about Harry going to LA, I think he will stay in the UK but stay out of sight until Remembrance Day and the story will be he flew back from L.A. but if he goes it will be for the Oprah Apple tv filming. Meghan will get some pap walks in..Harry will return to the U.K. and Meghan will stay in L.A.

I feel for Harry. From 2012 - 2016, Harry went on Royal tours, performed numerous royal engagements, launched Invictus, went to the South Pole with Walking with the Wounded, and championed Sentebale and Well Child and HIV testing..and visited several countries for military training or ceremonies, charity fundraisers, and official royal duties. His popularity was at an all time high...and the crowds where ever he was went crazy. Yet he performed all his duties with 'royal' professionalism coated with Harry's charm and wit. In the last year, he has spent more time out of the public eye than since he was in school.

Harry has known his entire life that William was destined to be King and he was not. He has always known they were on different paths. William and Catherine were married in 2011, and by 2016, Harry was Uncle to George and Charlotte. Harry never appeared to be jealous of William, seemed to adore Kate and loved being an uncle.

While Diana's death has been an issue he has talked about for decades..obviously bothering him a great deal..he seemed to manage it well. Much better than he is now.

Harry's life is exactly the same now as it has been since he became old enough to perform royal duties. It is the same now as it was in 2012 when he started to win over the hearts of people worldwide. The only thing that has changed is now he is a husband and father..perhaps he is feeling Diana's absence more with those two changes. But Harry started to appear he was losing his way - his spark when he became engaged. Though up until this documentary, he almost always appeared as the old Harry when on solo engagements - dressed sharp, smiling and playful.

I am not a fan of Meghan's. I think she knew quite a bit about the royal family and Harry before she met him. I think after working on Suits and in the industry for years, attending galas and fashion shows in NY and reportedly having a BA in Communications..I think Meghan is very knowledgeable about the press and tabloids and what to say to portray a certain image. I think Sunshine Sachs was hired to raise her profile to return to the U.S. And I think everything she has done since she joined the royal family has been played for the U.S. audience cause it is obvious by her actions that she doesn't give a fig about the British.

For the record... my dislike of Meghan has everything to do with her character and actions..and absolutely nothing to do with her being bi-racial. I have a darker complexion than she does..without makeup.

IMO

I agree 120 percent. The only time I heard the racial card was when MM Stated that she was a woman of color. Of course, I have not read everything,

Your post totally sums up my feelings. Thank you for expressing it.

 

[Herat]

I'm a bit confused.

What is the "divorce narrative"?

 

[mcluver23]

Woe is me....

 

[escape2sc]

I'm a bit confused.

What is the "divorce narrative"?

The divorce narrative for Harry & Meghan as in reason for the divorce. Meghan will claim she could not handle the stress from the brutal press and royal rules..she might even throw in Harry's mental health issues. She said keys phrases for sound bites.. "existing not living" and "thrive not just survive" and "stiff upper lift and internally damaging"and "I tried, I really tried"

Harry will claim to be devastated and the added stress of a failed marriage on top of his mental issues he expressed in the interview are just too much for him to perform royal duties. He will escape to Africa for a few month and then return to the UK. The Royal family will help him rebuild his image and carry on with business as usual.

Meghan will stay in the U.S. and probably do the talk show rounds. The Royal family will ignore her as long as she keeps her complaints about the family to a minimum. If she starts telling royal secrets, the Royals will let the U.K. press release the info they know about Meghan and ruin her credibility. Just my opinion

 

[Sherwood Park]

Guess who's turned their frown upside down? That's right, Chelsy Davy. She must be so relieved to have dodged the bullet of being hounded and hated by the press? Who knows?
With Davy, Prince Harry might have been able to live a quiet life with his African born wife, but she lucked out and didn't get the ring.

(Old Article)
Prince Harry, ex Chelsy Davy’s phone call before royal wedding

 

[mickey2942]

UGH re Oprah's house. Thanksgiving is family time, not jet setting to mansions of washed up celebrities. If they go to a big mansion then their issues get worse.

I don't see why going to visit a friend that they both like is going to make things worse for them. They are rich folk, their friends are rich. What does it really matter if they fly around in private jets? Should they pretend to not be uber riche? And ride in coach class on Delta?

 

[they'll get you]

Imo QE2 has been a fantastic figure who’s kept ‘The Firm’ on the right track and whenever someone wants to dramatically modernise it, it fails miserably.

Pull the reins in on Megan and her celebrity shoulder rubbing please. I think it’s Harry who will suffer.

‘Excruciating’ public mistake that haunted the royals for years.
Back in ’87, several key royals participated in The Grand Knockout Tournament, a TV special that’s since become known as It’s A Royal Knockout.

It was a charity spin-off of the slapstick game show It’s A Knockout, which saw opposing teams competing in absurd games. Think crazy costumes, embarrassing pratfalls and cheesy jokes.
‘Excruciating’ public mistake that haunted the royals for years

 

[they'll get you]

Am I wrong to assume Harry really doesn’t want this celebrity statis which is getting bigger each moment?

IMO he has PTSD.

Prince Harry grieves for Princess Diana ‘every single time I see a camera’

It’s been an emotional month for Prince Harry — and now, the 35-year-old royal is opening up about reliving the painful memory of his mother Princess Diana’s 1997 death, calling his grief a “wound that festers.”

“I think being part of this family, in this role and this job, every single time I see a camera, every single time I hear a click, every single time I see a flash, it takes me straight back,” he tells ITV News in an interview set to air Sunday. “So in that respect, it’s the worst reminder of her life as opposed to the best.”
https://pagesix.com/2019/10/18/prince-harry-grieves-for-mom-every-single-time-i-see-a-camera/

 

[Amonet]

Am I wrong to assume Harry really doesn’t want this celebrity statis which is getting bigger each moment?

IMO he has PTSD.

Prince Harry grieves for Princess Diana ‘every single time I see a camera’

It’s been an emotional month for Prince Harry — and now, the 35-year-old royal is opening up about reliving the painful memory of his mother Princess Diana’s 1997 death, calling his grief a “wound that festers.”

“I think being part of this family, in this role and this job, every single time I see a camera, every single time I hear a click, every single time I see a flash, it takes me straight back,” he tells ITV News in an interview set to air Sunday. “So in that respect, it’s the worst reminder of her life as opposed to the best.”
https://pagesix.com/2019/10/18/prince-harry-grieves-for-mom-every-single-time-i-see-a-camera/

In that documentary about the Africa trip, what I saw was the couple doing their engagements as normal and engaging well with the crowds and the people they visited.

What I found telling was a scene where the documentary maker spoke to Meghan, then Meghan walked a few feet over to Harry and the baby. The way Harry was carrying the baby was extremely protective, like he was trying to protect Archie's eyes from the camera flashes. Harry seemed very uncomfortable and said to Meghan "Let's go" and Meghan put her arm around him in a very supportive gesture.

I think there's mutual support between these two, trying to support and build up each other. But I think Harry is the one who's struggling most, and Meghan seems to be taking on a very caring role with him.

I don't see any 'divorce narrative' and I don't see any reason to conjecture that Meghan is any kind of bad guy in their marriage, either the private side of it or what the public gets to see. The hand-holding could even be coming from him wanting moral support from Meghan's presence.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I think the documentary set up the divorce narrative. Meghan's interview set up the narrative that the British press was brutal and she feels stifled in the royal cage. Harry's interview discussed his mental health. Meghan will definitely go to L.A. I am not sure about Harry going to LA, I think he will stay in the UK but stay out of sight until Remembrance Day and the story will be he flew back from L.A. but if he goes it will be for the Oprah Apple tv filming. Meghan will get some pap walks in..Harry will return to the U.K. and Meghan will stay in L.A.

I feel for Harry. From 2012 - 2016, Harry went on Royal tours, performed numerous royal engagements, launched Invictus, went to the South Pole with Walking with the Wounded, and championed Sentebale and Well Child and HIV testing..and visited several countries for military training or ceremonies, charity fundraisers, and official royal duties. His popularity was at an all time high...and the crowds where ever he was went crazy. Yet he performed all his duties with 'royal' professionalism coated with Harry's charm and wit. In the last year, he has spent more time out of the public eye than since he was in school.

Harry has known his entire life that William was destined to be King and he was not. He has always known they were on different paths. William and Catherine were married in 2011, and by 2016, Harry was Uncle to George and Charlotte. Harry never appeared to be jealous of William, seemed to adore Kate and loved being an uncle.

While Diana's death has been an issue he has talked about for decades..obviously bothering him a great deal..he seemed to manage it well. Much better than he is now.

Harry's life is exactly the same now as it has been since he became old enough to perform royal duties. It is the same now as it was in 2012 when he started to win over the hearts of people worldwide. The only thing that has changed is now he is a husband and father..perhaps he is feeling Diana's absence more with those two changes. But Harry started to appear he was losing his way - his spark when he became engaged. Though up until this documentary, he almost always appeared as the old Harry when on solo engagements - dressed sharp, smiling and playful.

I am not a fan of Meghan's. I think she knew quite a bit about the royal family and Harry before she met him. I think after working on Suits and in the industry for years, attending galas and fashion shows in NY and reportedly having a BA in Communications..I think Meghan is very knowledgeable about the press and tabloids and what to say to portray a certain image. I think Sunshine Sachs was hired to raise her profile to return to the U.S. And I think everything she has done since she joined the royal family has been played for the U.S. audience cause it is obvious by her actions that she doesn't give a fig about the British.

For the record... my dislike of Meghan has everything to do with her character and actions..and absolutely nothing to do with her being bi-racial. I have a darker complexion than she does..without makeup.

IMO

BBM: I totally agree with this, I don't think jealousy plays a part at all. He obviously adores his family.

I've probably been harsh on Harry as I haven't always been fond of him, but he is clearly struggling with many things and I do sympathise with him. It's all making me a bit sad, it's never nice to see anyone feeling low.

I don't wish to see them separate but unfortunately I don't see this relationship lasting long term. I think Harry married in haste because he was head over heels in love with her, but over time they may have realised that perhaps they are not as compatible as they thought. My cousin did the same, married a mysterious foreigner very quickly and 12 months later the shine started to wear off. He didn't want to walk away because he was embarrassed, people had spent a lot of money on the wedding and he didn't want to let everyone down. We assured him that he should put his happiness first and that no-one would judge him or laugh at him, and I'm sure nobody would Harry either. At least no-one that matters.

I might be totally wrong and I hope I am, but I have no idea how anyone could watch those interviews and see a happy couple. They may feel at the moment that the press is to blame but it isn't. It's just magnifying the problems that are already there. When you are with the right person who compliments you, you can get through these things. Like Catherine and William; William seems a serious sort of fella and Catherine probably helps to bring out his fun side in private. In public, she compliments him perfectly. She allows him to take centre stage whilst always being there right behind him. She is able to shine in her own right without ever really trying and certainly not fighting him for the spotlight. They work so well together.

I think Harry has realised he is even more of a private person than he even realised himself, and that is fine but it makes him wholly unsuitable for the role he currently has. Meghan seems to enjoy the spotlight a lot more, again that is not a criticism. She is an actress, this is what she knows. She is an ambitious girl and that's a great quality but perhaps it just doesn't fit well with the Royal Family, and she shouldn't have to change herself to fit in.

I don't think either of them are bad people. I think they both went into this marriage in love and with open hearts, but sadly that is sometimes not enough. Even if the marriage is not working as he had hoped, Harry will fight tooth and nail for it because it will break his heart to not be with Archie every day and he will want to give him the stability that he didn't have.

Whether it is together or apart, I truly hope this works out of for them. I think it is clear that Harry needs some help with his health, he may even be suffering from PTSD. Her Majesty may be Queen but above else she is his Nanna and I'm sure she just wants to see him happy and well. No-one would blame them if we didn't hear from or see Harry for the next 6-12 months. Let's be honest, absolutely nobody needs this drama and negativity in their lives.

I wish them all the best and I hope that the press and social media will allow them the time and privacy they clearly need. I would love to see the strong, healthy and charming Prince Harry come back to us and given the time, I'm sure that will happen.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I think that would be pretty pointless the royals are not likely to sue one of their own family. I bet Her Majesty, Prince Charles and the Duke of Cambridge are concerned about how bad things are going to get. Between the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Prince Andrew I can’t imagine there will be much joy at Sandringham for the royals this Christmas it is going to be an awkward family reunion.

When I say gag order, I don't mean on Harry and Meghan themselves. I mean on the press. They won't but it would be a relief if they did. This drama needs shutting down, for everyone's sake.

 

[maggieg]

Sandringham for the royals this Christmas it is going to be an awkward family reunion.

I remember the first Christmas or maybe the first few Christmases after George was born the Cambridges did Christmas at the Middletons because essentially children are in a separate room on the day at Sandringham. Its perfectly understandable to want to spend your first Christmas enjoying your baby and I don't recall them being criticised for it but if the Sussexes skip Sandringham this year it will be read into so much

 

[1&2&3]

My thoughts are Harry’s mental decline has a lot to do with the manner Archie is being raised in. He sees that Meghan does not have the mother qualities that Diana had. Meghan is not the loving, tender, hands on mother that he was raised by.

As we have seen when H & M are out, M wears the pants in the family and bosses poor H around. We have seen and heard of Harry telling Meghan off. However, my intuition says that Meghan is the ruler of anything that has to do with Baby Archie. Harry has given up, takes the back seat, and silently mourns the kind of treatment his child is being raised with. No abuse. An inpatient, bored with motherhood, resentful of the time a baby takes, the obsession with Me, Me, Me, and with Meghan constantly gripping this wasn’t the life she planned, is driving Harry further down the pit of depression. JMO.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

There isn't racism and bullying here, thank goodness. But the comments on some of the tabloid articles? Anything relatively nice is thumbed down and anything rude is thumbed up. I guess in some ways it is a game to people as they don't really feel that Royals or celebrities are reading their comments so they be as rude as they want. I still don't like it, and I think some parts of the media purposely stir it up in order to get page hits. And these attitudes of making rude and cruel comments don't stop with royals and celebs, some people seem to think it's acceptable anywhere and to anyone. I think it becomes a frame of mind, and one that spreads virally and some people don't seem to know how to stop.

This is a conversation I think we really need to be having as a society.

Yes I agree, and I've expanded on this on another post. People have become extremely tribal in all areas of life and it is odd. Some people can go too far and of course bullying in any form is unacceptable, however it is also important to remember that everybody is entitled to their own opinion even if it is not viewed as the 'correct' or 'accepted' one.

I am a very private person, I worry about what people think about me and I hate being the centre of attention. For that reason I would never have dreamt of pursuing either a career or a relationship that would put me in the public eye, I know I couldn't handle it.

We're not obliged to like someone just because they are a celebrity or a royal and it's quite alright to have an opinion about a person's actions as long as that opinion is put forth with some common decency. This is the part that people struggle with sometimes! There are some awful comments out there about Catherine and William, about her weight and his hairline, calling her old etc. Their child was openly mocked on television not so long ago, but for some reason they are not viewed as the victims of bullying that H and M are. There are comments on this thread about Ellen and Oprah which are not viewed as bullying and nor should they be as they are not, but if they were said about H and M they would be taken as such. I suppose this is what makes Ellen and Oprah the perfect celebrities that they are. They have incredibly thick skin and they either don't care or they are able to ignore it. More power to them, I wish I had their strength.

 

[Simply Southern]

The divorce narrative for Harry & Meghan as in reason for the divorce. Meghan will claim she could not handle the stress from the brutal press and royal rules..she might even throw in Harry's mental health issues. She said keys phrases for sound bites.. "existing not living" and "thrive not just survive" and "stiff upper lift and internally damaging"and "I tried, I really tried"

Harry will claim to be devastated and the added stress of a failed marriage on top of his mental issues he expressed in the interview are just too much for him to perform royal duties. He will escape to Africa for a few month and then return to the UK. The Royal family will help him rebuild his image and carry on with business as usual.

Meghan will stay in the U.S. and probably do the talk show rounds. The Royal family will ignore her as long as she keeps her complaints about the family to a minimum. If she starts telling royal secrets, the Royals will let the U.K. press release the info they know about Meghan and ruin her credibility. Just my opinion

BBM...

I noticed the use of the past tense, tried vs. trying.

Yes, Meghan is well educated in communications and aware of the impact of her choosen words.

Oh, Harry... I hope this works out for you.

 

[they'll get you]

BBM...

I noticed the use of the past tense, tried vs. trying.

Yes, Meghan is well educated in communications and aware of the impact of her choosen words.

Oh, Harry... I hope this works out for you.

IF they did break up would the press do a turnaround or become more vicious in their victory.
I shall never forget the tabloids worldwide saying Harry wasn’t Charles child and he had to listen and live that filth.

He has every damn right to despise the media! Leave him alone, he’s been through enough.
Unfortunately the royals need the media and he is in a hard place.