The British Royal Family - news, views, clothes & shoes! #9

[gregjrichards]

The increasing diversity in UK, especially England, and the older generation that remains to remember World War II is shrinking. My personal belief is that unless people view the Monarchy as "important", their popularity is going to shrink.

The best plan for the Monarchy, would be to skip Prince Charles, INMO, and embrace Prince William, with his normal and adorable family.

Prince Harry would probably be better off if he just stopped his tantrums. Where would the royals be without the constant spotlight? Do they want coverage? It doesn't go just when you want it. If he wants out of the spotlight, bow out, and get a job.

Prince Charles is going to become King that is a certainty but I don’t foresee him being too controversial in the role. I think The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are key to the future success of the Monarchy. They are both doing very well with their royal roles and engagements and are well liked by the public. I’m sure Prince Charles is well aware of this. Hopefully things will improve with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s royal roles and the public’s perception of them will get better than it is viewed by some at the moment.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I couldn't agree more. The Royal Family are our heritage and God-willing the Monarchy will still be standing long after H and M have gone. We don't just turn our backs on thousands of years of culture and tradition because they decide they want to "do things differently."

It’s very interesting to hear the prospective from our UK peeps.

And BBM, I think your thought here, AllyBee, crystallizes the issue that is being expressed by many, and in the media.

There is history, big time, and all the traditions that go with it.

Trying to make a new ‘modern flare monarchy’ is not being received well. And that’s reflected in the press.

I’m not a fan of the whole “woke” thing... or hightlighting hastags like # smash the patriarchy on their social media platform which went over like a lead balloon.

Part of what Harry suffers from is his role as “the spare”. -imo. And that historically must come with an identity crisis all its own.

And, since marrying Meghan he’s been, in some respects, trying to carve out a new identity that has some meaning.

Not sure why they aren’t pulling back —fine sue the papers if need be, and let that play out. Harry is coming off a bit like not the brightest lightbulb in the box with his angry statement.

Charles and Camilla are studies in image makeovers... it took a long time. In so many ways the understated Charles really blossomed much later in life. And his causes are so well thought out and ahead of its time on critical issues like the environment, I’ve become a total fan of his. And he built on his true passion in a very authentic way.

Celebrity is very fleeting. Institutions like a monarchy are not.

A PR move like reflecting on what Harry and Meghan learned and experienced in Africa would have been my PR advice. —Not sabotaging the narrative with a tirade on the tabloid press that’s totally overshadowing their trip. Bad timing I think...

 

[Keine Engel]

...The Brexit issue will affect the Uk and the world. That is real not Meghan and Harry fluff.

One last point...

Honestly ​

I hope whatever it is Harry feels is so desperately, important, to him, that by choosing to do this NOW, that only adding to the stress already endured by his Grandmother right now is worth it!

Brexit (the whole suspending of parliament debacle) CAN'T wait..
Unfortunately The Queen has been dragged right into the middle of this mess, she DOES have some say in the matter, which as you point out, will affect the whole U.K. & rest of the world.
She's 93 years old!

So all this to deal with there's then also the added 'Andrew thing' icing on her cake.

I truly hope deep in his heart he honestly feels whatever, it is, IS worth it coz ...
Well he's gonna have to deal with any consequences for a very long time...

And believe me the British public will not let him forget.

Nor the entire British media

So as you've made it to here...
Thank you for reading

& not putting me on ignore by now

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[mickey2942]

I hope this is the case I don’t think the Monarchy will be under threat in my lifetime (I’m 35). My concern is that there won’t be the same level of enthusiasm and respect for the royal family when Her Majesty is very sadly no longer with us.

Exactly. I am not in the UK, but I think that the next 50 years will be transformational.

Back to shoes.

 

[maggieg]

RE: the timing of the announcement last week, I found this article
Reporters React to Prince Harry & Meghan Markle’s Letter to the Press and Their Lawsuit


"Low also shared how the timing of the statement meant that his paper cut a story about the royal tour to make way for a big piece on the legal proceedings and that he was no longer able to travel to write about the couple meeting the President Ramaphosa because he needed to dedicate more time to writing about the legal story. “It has completely overshadowed the tour,” he said.

This was a sentiment echoed by many of the journalists on the trip. Palace sources said that the timing was based on “specific legal advice,” but many were still confused about why this meant the announcement had to come when it did. ITV’s Royal Editor Chris Ship relayed how his network cut an “emotional” story about gender-based violence from its 10 p.m. bulletin to make way for a piece about Harry and Meghan’s relationship with the press. “All the good work that they’ve done previously—and let’s be clear, they’ve done a lot of good work and they’ve had a lot of good publicity—and I just feel like it’s ending on a sour note,” says Ship."

 

[gregjrichards]

Prince William and George celebrate wildly alongside Kate and Charlotte as Duke's team Aston Villa hammer Norwich in Premier League

Prince William and Kate celebrate wildly as Duke's team Aston Villa hammer Norwich in Premier League | Daily Mail Online



The family photo is lovely to see Prince George is always such a happy young man.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

The increasing diversity in UK, especially England, and the older generation that remains to remember World War II is shrinking. My personal belief is that unless people view the Monarchy as "important", their popularity is going to shrink.

The best plan for the Monarchy, would be to skip Prince Charles, INMO, and embrace Prince William, with his normal and adorable family.

Prince Harry would probably be better off if he just stopped his tantrums. Where would the royals be without the constant spotlight? Do they want coverage? It doesn't go just when you want it. If he wants out of the spotlight, bow out, and get a job.

BBM: Exactly! Their survival is dependent on our approval. We hold the purse strings, so to speak.

I hope this is the case I don’t think the Monarchy will be under threat in my lifetime (I’m 35). My concern is that there won’t be the same level of enthusiasm and respect for the royal family when Her Majesty is very sadly no longer with us.

I am the same age as you, I hope you are correct. Her Majesty continues to be a wonderful figurehead. Her reign has been difficult at times but I feel like she has learned from her mistakes and she values public opinion.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

It’s very interesting to hear the prospective from our UK peeps.

And BBM, I think your thought here, AllyBee, crystallizes the issue that is being expressed by many, and in the media.

There is history, big time, and all the traditions that go with it.

Trying to make a new ‘modern flare monarchy’ is not being received well. And that’s reflected in the press.

I’m not a fan of the whole “woke” thing... or hightlighting hastags like # smash the patriarchy on their social media platform which went over like a lead balloon.

Part of what Harry suffers from is his role as “the spare”. -imo. And that historically must come with an identity crisis all its own.

And, since marrying Meghan he’s been, in some respects, trying to carve out a new identity that has some meaning.

Not sure why they aren’t pulling back —fine sue the papers if need be, and let that play out. Harry is coming off a bit like not the brightest lightbulb in the box with his angry statement.

Charles and Camilla are studies in image makeovers... it took a long time. In so many ways the understated Charles really blossomed much later in life. And his causes are so well thought out and ahead of its time on critical issues like the environment, I’ve become a total fan of his. And he built on his true passion in a very authentic way.

Celebrity is very fleeting. Institutions like a monarchy are not.

A PR move like reflecting on what Harry and Meghan learned and experienced in Africa would have been my PR advice. —Not sabotaging the narrative with a tirade on the tabloid press that’s totally overshadowing their trip. Bad timing I think...

Prince Charles is a good example, there was a time when he was despised and many wondered whether he would ever make it to the throne. It is clear he is passionate about the causes he supports and he speaks well on them, without coming over as condescending. I must admit, I do look forward to the day that William ascends the throne but I think Charles will do just fine until then. The longer the wait for William the better, I would like to see him grow with his lovely family for many happy years.

I don't really hold anything against Meghan, although I wouldn't say I'm a fan. She is just a girl from LA acting like a girl from LA. I actually think they have thrown her under the bus a little bit, she should have received better guidance. Unless of course the rumours are true and she has refused the guidance offered to her...? I think she is passionate about the topics on which she speaks but unfortunately she seems to lack that certain something. Humility? I can't really put my finger on it. I find the accusations of racism saddening, it's not that at all. If I'm honest, if Meghan is a victim of anything IMO it's xenophobia, not racism. I'm not sure how well any Hollywood celeb would really fit in with the British Royal Family. Very different worlds.

 

[Keine Engel]

...My personal belief is that unless people view the Monarchy as "important", their popularity is going to shrink.

The best plan for the Monarchy, would be to skip Prince Charles NEVER gonna happen
.. INMO, and embrace Prince William, with his normal and adorable family.

Prince Harry would probably be better off if he just stopped his tantrums. Where would the royals be without the constant spotlight? Do they want coverage? It doesn't go just when you want it. If he wants out of the spotlight, bow out, and get a job.

I'm not so sure that's actually true, I think you'd be surprised how deep down, in a subconscious kinda way, the Monarchy IS important to the British. We take them for granted generally, so I guess it comes across in a rather apathetic way.
But the minute there's a reason to celebrate or a need to defend them this whole place suffers 'Monarchy Mania'

The young Royals, Will, Kate & especially now, the kids, do have a huge amount of the younger generations support.
Watching those kids as they grow up kinda embeds itself so unknowingly they DO become important, it's when it matters thou that comes out in floods, Harry & William obviously come to mind.

It was the absolute opposite kind of mass-hysteria when William & Kate announced the wedding

honestly months & months & months of it
The same every Jubilee, Wedding, Babies, or any other excuse we can find for a bank holiday or just to party.

This then repeats over with each new generation

I couldn't agree more. The Royal Family are our heritage...
We don't just turn our backs on thousands of years of culture and tradition Just because...

I hope this is the case I don’t think the Monarchy will be under threat in my lifetime (I’m 35)

And....Scottish!

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Both @CoverMeCagney & myself I know are kids of the Rave Generation so a couple of generations on from those remembering WWII so I think there's still plenty of support for them

I'm sure our Monarchy will be fine.

ps. You would not believe the amount of interest there is in the 'Jewels' alone

pps. Kicking Harry out thou maybe wouldn't be such a bad idea -

 

[weepingangel]

The stuff about the kids is just gross imo

Some good quotes

In a statement read to a Paris court by a lawyer, Prince William said the case was "all the more painful" because of the way the paparazzi hounded his mother before her death in the French capital 20 years ago.

Re Harry

Some good quotes

In a statement read to a Paris court by a lawyer, Prince William said the case was "all the more painful" because of the way the paparazzi hounded his mother before her death in the French capital 20 years ago.

Re Harry and Meghan

It went on to say: "It is not right that a few months into a relationship with him that Ms Markle should be subjected to such a storm. He knows commentators will say this is 'the price she has to pay' and that 'this is all part of the game'. He strongly disagrees. This is not a game - it is her life and his.

"He has asked for this statement to be issued in the hope that those in the press who have been driving this story can pause and reflect before any further damage is done."

However, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's legal action proves the problem didn't go away.

Much more re Prince George in the article——

In 2015, a letter from Kensington Palace was published warning paparazzi photographers about going to "extreme lengths to observe and monitor" the children - in particular Prince George.

 

[weepingangel]

Oof the timer and format killed me on this one. 7% when my three minutes were up

A quiz for you - hard to do in 3 minutes!

British Royal Family Members Quiz - By jessnikolaevna

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I'm not so sure that's actually true, I think you'd be surprised how deep down, in a subconscious kinda way, the Monarchy IS important to the British. We take them for granted generally, so I guess it comes across in a rather apathetic way.
But the minute there's a reason to celebrate or a need to defend them this whole place suffers 'Monarchy Mania'

The young Royals, Will, Kate & especially now, the kids, do have a huge amount of the younger generations support.
Watching those kids as they grow up kinda embeds itself so unknowingly they DO become important, it's when it matters thou that comes out in floods, Harry & William obviously come to mind.

It was the absolute opposite kind of mass-hysteria when William & Kate announced the wedding

honestly months & months & months of it
The same every Jubilee, Wedding, Babies, or any other excuse we can find for a bank holiday or just to party.

This then repeats over with each new generation

And....Scottish!

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Both @CoverMeCagney & myself I know are kids of the Rave Generation so a couple of generations on from those remembering WWII so I think there's still plenty of support for them

I'm sure our Monarchy will be fine.

ps. You would not believe the amount of interest there is in the 'Jewels' alone

pps. Kicking Harry out thou maybe wouldn't be such a bad idea -

BBM: Oh the jewels! The jewels are out of this world!

We are fractured at the moment but we will heal. We have so much to be patriotic about and we deserve a Royal Family who values this nation, not one who derides it at every possible opportunity.

 

[Keine Engel]

Exactly. I am not in the UK, but I think that the next 50 years will be transformational.

Back to shoes Jewels

Charles will do just fine & be a Great King in my opinion!

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To make it clear - There is no way the line of succession* skipping any heir is gonna happen
That's not how it works. Not even if that was what The Queen/Charles wished.

William & Kate are doing just fine, they don't want that yet. They have a young family to raise first They are both becoming more confident & comfortable in adjusting to their roles gradually.

The Queen would never allow it even if she could, she herself knows what this would mean for Prince George, as with herself, if anything unexpectedly would happen to William

But anyway... Not Happening

Succession​

The succession to the throne is regulated not only through descent, but also by Parliamentary statute. The order of succession is the sequence of members of the Royal Family in the order in which they stand in line to the throne.

The basis for the succession was determined in the constitutional developments of the seventeenth century, which culminated in the Bill of Rights (1689) and the Act of Settlement (1701).

The Act of Settlement confirmed that it was for Parliament to determine the title to the throne...

...The Sovereign must also promise to uphold the Protestant succession.

Royal U.K.
*unless due to exceptional circumstances

 

[Keine Engel]

RE: the timing of the announcement last week, I found this article..
"Low also shared how the timing of the statement meant that his paper cut a story about the royal tour..
“It has completely overshadowed the tour,” he said.

This was a sentiment echoed by many of the journalists on the trip. Palace sources said that the timing was based on “specific legal advice,” but many were still confused about why this meant the announcement had to come when it did. ITV’s Royal Editor Chris Ship relayed how his network cut an “emotional” story about gender-based violence from its 10 p.m. bulletin to make way for a piece about Harry and Meghan’s relationship with the press. “All the good work that they’ve done previously—and let’s be clear, they’ve done a lot of good work and they’ve had a lot of good publicity—and I just feel like it’s ending on a sour note,” says Ship."

That's another big issue which seems to be getting overlooked

..The timing of Harry’s intervention meant it dominated the last two days of a tour funded by the Foreign Office and designed to throw a spotlight on issues and concerns the government wished to highlight.

“It is absolutely extraordinary,” said royal biographer, Penny Junor. “People can understand Harry taking issue with someone printing a private letter. But his statement went far beyond that.

“It is as though he has got months of pent-up rage in him. I really, really question the wisdom of taking on the media in this way.”

That is the whole purpose of Royal Tours therefore as that is their JOB, what they are basically 'paid' to do & why they were there. This is a big concern coz this is totally unacceptable.

So now this whole issue is gonna bring up a ton of questions within the government by dragging the Foreign Office involvement into it.
The Guardian

 

[human]

Harry and tantrums? Seriously? The US has someone with tantrums. Harry is expressing common decency. I applaud him for it.

I doubt if he has any feelings about not being King except joy.

The Queen had plenty of things said about her. Let us reminisce about the rumors of who is the father of Andrew.

Diana had horrendous things said about her. Kate and William as well.

And of course Harry had plenty in his younger days.

Princess Margaret. Wow.That was filled with gossip to the max.

And of course, Princess Anne.

Perhaps Harry is the ploy to get attention off of Andrew. That is something where there should be concern.

Harry and Meghan are hardly anything in comparison to the meltdowns in the tabloids such as the horror of selling Harrod’s.

It. is strange that memories are so short with the foibles of the monarchy.

Someone posted how much money they pull in for England. Not bad.

 

[Keine Engel]

Prince William and George celebrate wildly alongside Kate and Charlotte as Duke's team Aston Villa hammer Norwich in Premier League

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The family photo is lovely to see Prince George is always such a happy young man. ​

'You know how to pick your Aston Villa games, Your Royal Highness': Prince William and Kate spotted at football match
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Prince William and Kate Middleton, along with children Prince George and Princess Charlotte, cheered on Aston Villa FC as they beat Norwich 5-1.

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Aston Villa's Twitter account shared a picture of the royal family with the caption: "You know how to pick your #AVFC games, Your Royal Highness."

Wait a minute...
So Prince George, Princess Charlotte, Kate & Will were ALL just sat in amongst the Villa fans in the Away-Terrace at Carrow Road?

While Gary Linekar shared a clip of Prince George celebrating Villa's victory, posting: "Think Prince George has caught the football bug early."

He loves his footy as much as his Dad!

How come Wills supports a Brummie team anyway?

ITV News

 

[Keine Engel]

Oof the timer and format killed me on this one. 7% when my three minutes were up

Yeah - 10% flashed up in my screen while reading a question & I was all like...

I mean it's not like I'm that slow or un-knowledgeable on the Royal family all thanks to the urge of needing to pop in here whenever I get a couple of mins, due to my newly discovered obsession with Tiaras!

 

[Herat]

RE: the timing of the announcement last week, I found this article
Reporters React to Prince Harry & Meghan Markle’s Letter to the Press and Their Lawsuit


"Low also shared how the timing of the statement meant that his paper cut a story about the royal tour to make way for a big piece on the legal proceedings and that he was no longer able to travel to write about the couple meeting the President Ramaphosa because he needed to dedicate more time to writing about the legal story. “It has completely overshadowed the tour,” he said.

This was a sentiment echoed by many of the journalists on the trip. Palace sources said that the timing was based on “specific legal advice,” but many were still confused about why this meant the announcement had to come when it did. ITV’s Royal Editor Chris Ship relayed how his network cut an “emotional” story about gender-based violence from its 10 p.m. bulletin to make way for a piece about Harry and Meghan’s relationship with the press. “All the good work that they’ve done previously—and let’s be clear, they’ve done a lot of good work and they’ve had a lot of good publicity—and I just feel like it’s ending on a sour note,” says Ship."

I feel that Harry and Meghan dishonored their African hosts and their causes, especially in Malawi with President Ramaphosa by intentionally releasing this story during their trip. Can you imagine how excited people in South Africa, Angola, Botswanna, and Malawi were for their visit and some world-wide exposure for their projects and good works?

Likewise, they subverted the goals of the UK Foreign Service who spent all this time organizing this trip, which had heretofore gone quite well.

To me, this is unforgiveable. And yes, Meghan was in on it, too. Nothing Harry does is done without her advice, IMHO.

This was a huge mistake in timing and sensitivity. And it's perplexing as to how a couple paying for several PR advisors and PR companies of both UK and American origin can keep bobbling things. I think these two are heading into Edward and Simpson behavior.

 

[Keine Engel]

Prince Charles is a good example, there was a time when he was despised and many wondered whether he would ever make it to the throne. It is clear he is passionate about the causes he supports and he speaks well on them, without coming over as condescending. I must admit, I do look forward to the day that William ascends the throne but I think Charles will do just fine until then. The longer the wait for William the better, I would like to see him grow with his lovely family for many happy years.

I don't really hold anything against Meghan, although I wouldn't say I'm a fan. She is just a girl from LA acting like a girl from LA. I actually think they have thrown her under the bus a little bit, she should have received better guidance. Unless of course the rumours are true and she has refused the guidance offered to her...? I think she is passionate about the topics on which she speaks but unfortunately she seems to lack that certain something. Humility? I can't really put my finger on it. I find the accusations of racism saddening, it's not that at all. If I'm honest, if Meghan is a victim of anything IMO it's xenophobia, not racism. I'm not sure how well any Hollywood celeb would really fit in with the British Royal Family. Very different worlds.

I didn't like to ask your age.
I think you basically summed it up perfectly, it's interesting to hear another Brits opinion, but also which shows that it does seem there's so many of us who agree.

"I find the accusations of racism saddening, it's not that at all. If I'm honest, if Meghan is a victim of anything IMO it's xenophobia, not racism. I'm not sure how well any Hollywood celeb would really fit in with the British Royal Family. Very different worlds"

Thank you for this in particular, this is what I've struggled in trying to explain.
'Xenophobia' yes, that is exactly how I would describe it.

This post as a whole thou deserves a little bit more that a 'Like' & we most definitely need a little bit of sparkle...
I think this is much more deserving ...

- I'm so looking for a glitter-gif of this one now ​

The whole 'Royal' thing's not really an everyday chit-chat topic brought up casually, very often in my neck of the woods When it does it's never the 'anti-monarchy' stuff saying that we all supposedly want to abolish it, NEVER.

- Well maybe the kicking Harry out may get a fleeting mention in the pub this weekend

I'm so glad you feel the same way about Charlie, I think he'll surprise an awful lot of people & prove to be a Supa-Hippie-King!

 

[rosemadderlake]

I have no problem if Harry wants to express his feelings about the press. They are intrusive.

I question the timing. And, not telling anyone. —Just winging it? I doesn’t feel well thought out. They need a new PR firm.

Eta: The press has drastically changed since Princess Diana’s time. Major royal story on east coast USA news for last two days was lawsuit, not Africa. —News can get to Mars, circle the moon a few times, and back in a hot minute. So, it was a blundered opportunity. It shouldn’t have been their farewell to Africa story.

Jmo