The Conclusion

[mjak]

Innocent people do not discover there 6 year old daughter murdered in there home and react by saying lets get the family plane and fly half way across the country. By all means lets go where we are no where near the police who might need our input to find the perpertrator, never mind our daughters murdered body . Even if the police didn't want to talk to us which of course they would, what parents of a child just found murdered would feel no need to talk and work with the local police for days on end??? To me this attempt to flee blouder is the most damning piece of evidence againts the Ramseys.

mjak

 

[narlacat]

and the pineapple.

 

[simplesimon]

Zman,

"The R's know that anyone who thinks their guilty is not going to change their mind NOW. "that is your argument ?? We are talking about right after the murder and they wanted to bolt Boulder. That fact alone makes me think they are guilty of something.
And yes I am sure they are still seeking justice for JBR and trying to find the murderer (the Intruder!) they should hook up with OJ

 

[Zman]

Zman,

"The R's know that anyone who thinks their guilty is not going to change their mind NOW. "that is your argument ?? We are talking about right after the murder and they wanted to bolt Boulder. That fact alone makes me think they are guilty of something.
And yes I am sure they are still seeking justice for JBR and trying to find the murderer (the Intruder!) they should hook up with OJ

I don't need to look that far into that day to know the R's are innocent.
Is JR an a**hole and his wife a B*tch? Do they seem to make odd desicions?
Could be, but that doesn't mean they killed their daughter.

 

[Moab]

I don't need to look that far into that day to know the R's are innocent.
Is JR an a**hole and his wife a B*tch? Do they seem to make odd desicions?
Could be, but that doesn't mean they killed their daughter.

And it also doesn't mean they didn't! There is a laundry list of guilty actions starting with calling the police when the mother of all ransom notes said she would be beheaded if they contacted anyone...both parents contaminating the crime scene, both in having people over, and JR moving the body, and Patsy throwing herself on the body, calling for da plane da plane...refusing to cooperate with police questioning for 4 months. What innocent parent refuses to speak to the police for 4 months and surrounds their immediate and extended families (plus the ex spouse) with attorneys on day one?

 

[concernedperson]

It just sees so obvious to me but I am simple.

 

[Maikai]

And it also doesn't mean they didn't! There is a laundry list of guilty actions starting with calling the police when the mother of all ransom notes said she would be beheaded if they contacted anyone...both parents contaminating the crime scene, both in having people over, and JR moving the body, and Patsy throwing herself on the body, calling for da plane da plane...refusing to cooperate with police questioning for 4 months. What innocent parent refuses to speak to the police for 4 months and surrounds their immediate and extended families (plus the ex spouse) with attorneys on day one?

If they had done it, the note would have bought them time---even until the 27th, because of the confusion in the note that the perp would call "tomorrow." If found on the 26th, tomorrow could have been the 27th. JR could have gone to the bank to take the money out...made a call to the house from a pay phone so there'd be a record of an incoming call....then he and Patsy would have had plenty of time to dispose of her body off a steep mountain road, and let the animals eat her. Much cleaner that way. And they would have had time to do a much better job of the breakin.

Elizabeth Smart's parents called friends over immediately too. The average person doesn't know about things like contaminating crime scenes (well, nowadays with CSI, etc. more may know about it). There also would have been no point in them spending money on experts and PI's---they could have cozied up to the police and all would have been well, since that's what the BPD wanted---they wanted to be the hero to the "fatcats."

 

[concernedperson]

If they had done it, the note would have bought them time---even until the 27th, because of the confusion in the note that the perp would call "tomorrow." If found on the 26th, tomorrow could have been the 27th. JR could have gone to the bank to take the money out...made a call to the house from a pay phone so there'd be a record of an incoming call....then he and Patsy would have had plenty of time to dispose of her body off a steep mountain road, and let the animals eat her. Much cleaner that way. And they would have had time to do a much better job of the breakin.

Elizabeth Smart's parents called friends over immediately too. The average person doesn't know about things like contaminating crime scenes (well, nowadays with CSI, etc. more may know about it). There also would have been no point in them spending money on experts and PI's---they could have cozied up to the police and all would have been well, since that's what the BPD wanted---they wanted to be the hero to the "fatcats."

Isn't that what they did?

 

[Moab]

If they had done it, the note would have bought them time---even until the 27th, because of the confusion in the note that the perp would call "tomorrow." If found on the 26th, tomorrow could have been the 27th. JR could have gone to the bank to take the money out...made a call to the house from a pay phone so there'd be a record of an incoming call....then he and Patsy would have had plenty of time to dispose of her body off a steep mountain road, and let the animals eat her. Much cleaner that way. And they would have had time to do a much better job of the breakin

The Ramseys weren’t thinking about buying time when they concocted that note, they just dumped a whole bunch of beheading / foreign faction crap into it and called it good…the Ramseys weren’t thinking they would be stuck in the house that morning either waiting, waiting, waiting…who knew the police would be so short-handed they would leave one cop at the scene and NOT let the parents go. I think the Ramseys expected to have the police arrive, do a cursory search of the house, and then LEAVE to solve the crime. At that point, the Ramseys could either stay and work on their alibi, leave to be in the company of someone who would give them an alibi, or go out looking for the kidnapper. At some point-in-time they would have left the house, the REAL police (which Boulder didn’t seem to have) would have probably gone back over the house with a fine-tooth comb at which time they would have found JBR wherever the parents had her stashed a little to well the first time, and the Ramseys could have said the killer returned her to the home….it was a ransom/kidnapping gone bad (instead of a Mother Gone Bad)…yada yada yada. That is what they “planned” to have happen, but Arndt really messed up that plan by keeping everyone in the house. John was pacing around, checking the mail, having a drink – Patsy was boo hooing in another room. Poor John, I’ll bet he thought they would NEVER get out of that house that day! When it became apparent they were all cozily tucked in for the long haul, John probably almost pee’d his pants…their plan was going awry. On one of his trips around the house that day, he moved JBR to a slightly better vantage point, albeit, still behind a closed door. The same door FW had opened earlier and not spotted anything without the lights on. Then Arndt gave John the golden opportunity to speed right into the conclusion of their little mess…she told him to take someone with him and search the house from TOP to bottom to see if he saw anything out of place. So what does John do? He makes a beeline for the BASEMENT and the room where JBR lay dead. His plan almost foiled by FW who was following a bit too closely behind him forcing John to say “I FOUND HER” or whatever he said as soon as the door was open, and BEFORE the light was even turned on…and how could he say that? Because he knew right where she was! After this, they evaded questioning for 4 months until their stories gelled and voila – a crime was born.

 

[Cranberry]

IMO the turning point was when Linda Arndt was going over the phone instructions with JR and she said to tell the kidnappers that you can't get the money till 5:00 PM. LE was in for the long haul and JBR was found not long after that.

 

[aussiesheila]

Exactly! And anyone who defends this move, does so knowing FULL WELL it has GUILTY stamped all over it.
Defend the Ramseys all you want, but nobody in their right mind thinks that this was a 'normal' thing to do.

I wonder if John and Patsy had brought Burke back home on the 26th and had insisted that the three of them continue living in the house. Would there be a host of persecuters proclaiming "The cold, heartless beast, living on in the house where his daughter had been sexually abused, tortured and murdered and forcing his family to stay with him. There is no way and innocent man would have been able to stay in that house. If that had happened to my daughter I would have wanted to get away as fast and as far as I could. the fact that he stayed in that house and made his family stay their too makes him as guilty as all hell IMO"

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I wonder if John and Patsy had brought Burke back home on the 26th and had insisted that the three of them continue living in the house. Would there be a host of persecuters proclaiming "The cold, heartless beast, living on in the house where his daughter had been sexually abused, tortured and murdered and forcing his family to stay with him. There is no way and innocent man would have been able to stay in that house. If that had happened to my daughter I would have wanted to get away as fast and as far as I could. the fact that he stayed in that house and made his family stay their too makes him as guilty as all hell IMO"

It isn't that they didn't want to be in their house, it's that they didn't want to be in Boulder period. I don't think anyone blames them for not wanting to be in the house, they blame them for trying to bolt from Boulder within an hour of their daughter's murdered body being found. Within an hour! Now why would you not want to remain to see to anything that you could contribute to the investigation to see this murderer caught and brought to justice? They had a large network of friends to stay with, plus enough money to take up residence at any hotel, or even rent an apartment for a while. It wasn't a safety issue, seeing as how they felt perfectly comfortable sending their son Burke off to a friend's house despite claims in the ransom note of the kidnappers closely watching the house. The need to flee looks guilty in every way.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Zman: The R's know that no one who thinks their guilty is going to change there mind now no matter what.

Ned: So what? I wouldn't care who thought what if my daughter had been murdered. I would have done whatever it took to catch her murderer. I would have stood by and worked with the BPD and did whatever I could to help.

So I guess the Ramsey's attitude is, "Oh well, everyone thinks we are guilty anyway, so why bother?"

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Sissi: Clearly no one in the Ramsey family suffers from mental illness, it would have made headline "tab" news!

Ned: CLEARLY it is NOT normal for ANY mother to parade her 6 year old daughter around as an adult vamp. That constitutes some sort of mental illness in my book, along with Patsy's flippant comments about JB's death. Patsy Ramsey is CLEARLY not all there.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

MJAK: To me this attempt to flee blouder is the most damning piece of evidence againts the Ramseys.

Ned: Exactly.

1.) Leaving the crime scene and flying to another state
2.) Refusing to cooperate with BPD
3.) Failing to exhume body
4.) Failing to keep web site running to catch perp.
5.) Failing to keep promises to catch killer

amoung all the evidence that points directly to THEM.

 

[mjak]

MJAK: To me this attempt to flee blouder is the most damning piece of evidence againts the Ramseys.

Ned: Exactly.

1.) Leaving the crime scene and flying to another state
2.) Refusing to cooperate with BPD
3.) Failing to exhume body
4.) Failing to keep web site running to catch perp.
5.) Failing to keep promises to catch killer

amoung all the evidence that points directly to THEM.

These four points give support to the motive for the Ramseys trying to flee immediatly finding thier daughters murdered body. I can disregard every other peiece of evidence from the pineapple to the crazy randsom note but I can't make piece with trying to leave ASAP. Take these four supporting points and to me it looks very very bad for the Ramseys. I am still sitting on the fence but deffinilty leaning in one direction .

mjak

 

[Maikai]

MJAK: To me this attempt to flee blouder is the most damning piece of evidence againts the Ramseys.

Ned: Exactly.

1.) Leaving the crime scene and flying to another state
2.) Refusing to cooperate with BPD
3.) Failing to exhume body
4.) Failing to keep web site running to catch perp.
5.) Failing to keep promises to catch killer

amoung all the evidence that points directly to THEM.

1) In light of the shock JR had just experienced, not much can be read into fying to Atlanta, except he wanted to keep his family safe at that moment. He was not thinking clearly.
2) They coorperated--they gave DNA, hair and blood when asked before they left for the funeral. The only thing they did was hire attorneys based on the advice of Mike Bynum--former assistant DA in Boulder. The BPD couldn't handle that, and instead at least one of them started a smear campaign of leaks.
3) It's not easy to just order a body to be exhumed. The DA could have done it--JR wanted his daughter at rest, and didn't care if exhumation might reveal electrical burns--his daugher was dead. According to ST the BPD almost did it, but were concerned about the publicity.
4) Once the DA got the case the Ramseys were satisfied leads would be investigated. How much more time and money should they spend? Their avenues to investigate are limited because they don't have access to the evidence.
5) Great idea about victims finding the killers themselves. We could save a lot of tax money if the victims are responsible for investigating and finding the perps. There comes a point when you have to get on with your life and enjoy the present and future--the past can't be undone, and there's no point in living in it, and being reminded day after day of the horror of that day. This perp could be so random that only a DNA match or confession will solve the crime.

 

[Brefie]

1) In light of the shock JR had just experienced, not much can be read into fying to Atlanta, except he wanted to keep his family safe at that moment. He was not thinking clearly.

This is such a lame argument.

Honestly, I do not believe ANYONE truly believes this. Even Ramsey supporters.

 

[ragland]

not trying to sound funny here but has anyone asked a pyscic that works with LE what they think happened? i know theyve helped in other cases, has anyone heard?

 

[Nuisanceposter]

This is such a lame argument.

Honestly, I do not believe ANYONE truly believes this. Even Ramsey supporters.

Yes, he wanted his family safe, so when they called the police to report their daughter kidnapped, they completely failed to mention that calling police will cause their daughter's head to be cut off. He wanted his family safe, so he sent his other minor child out of the house to go to the White's, knowing there was a kidnapper watching the house holding his daughter, ready to cut her head off. How could he have been so sure that JonBenet wasn't being beheaded when the cops arrived in squad cars? How could he have been sure that Burke wasn't going to be abducted also? Because he knew the RN was completely fake.