The Dixie Chicks

[Nova]

My sense of priority? What am I supposed to be doing stuffing parachutes? Rolling bandages? LOL I want the guys home, but since I can't have that, I try and send over things that they can use. Things that give them a little bit of comfort. I don't stand around saying things that will only make them feel worse and unappreciated.

This is the first war I've ever known, being too young for Vietnam, etc., but I just think that during war, there are things you say and things you don't say. And, if you feel you MUST say something like that, have the guts to do so in your own country. They're cowards and frankly, I'm ashamed that they're Americans.

Sorry, Jeana, I only meant the "priorities" question in terms of where you spend your outrage. I have not and do not question your contribution to our troops or other worthy causes.

It's interesting that you don't remember Vietnam because I do and I would have been on your side of this debate during that war. (This is something I thought about at lunch a little while ago, even before I read your post.)

But after years of that war and after hundreds of thousands of lives lost, it wasn't people such as I (opposed to the war, but mindful of decorum) who ended the war. The war came to an end because of those who protested in every way, even if sometimes they were a little over the top.

(I hope it's clear I'm just making a point about protest, not assuming that you would agree with me if only you were my age.)

 

[Nova]

Voicing an opinion, no matter what the risk, is hardly an act of cowardice.

There you go again, Maral. Saying so clearly in 14 words what I tried to say in 14 or more posts.

 

[Nova]

CAn I ask you all a question. IF say GWB pulls out all of our Troops. WHat kind of reaction do you think he get? 10 to 1 would be anger from Familys who sons or daughters died over there. When people enlist in the services they know the risk they are taking and serve our COUNTRY proud.
SO the way I see it GWB is Damn if he does and damn if he does not. Also we all are foreggting he would also have to go through the Senate and Congress as this is not a dictatorship Country Thank GOD.

If GWB is "damned if he does and damned if doesn't," he deserves no pity from us.

He made his bed...

 

[Masterj]

Funny thing how the Dixie Chics never come to perform at the 'welcome home' celebrations for our troops... I've seen celebrities all across the board come out and perform, I've seen Toby Keith come and he was practically worshipped (we all love him here) I guess the DC's can run their mouths in other countries but can't come over and face a couple troops? lol I suppose their 'Welcome' will be as BIG as if Fonda tried to show her face around here Nobody really cares about them anymore anyway they are a bunch of has beens.

Have they ever been invited to? I hardly think this is a fair statement to make. Promotional events like that tend to steer away from artists who take a stand that is viewed as controversial. And while I am sure Toby Keith does support the troops, you cannot deny the fact that his appearance was partly a marketing/pr. manuever. Case in point - when Jessica Simpson performed for the troops - her label and PR team mandated it as it would boost her popularity and therefore her record sales.

I think it is admirable when anyone performs for the troops but just remember that these decisions are not solely based on altruistic reasons.

Nobody really cares about them anymore anyway they are a bunch of has beens.

Clearly people do care about them or this thread wouldn't be so long!

 

[concernedperson]

Sorry, Jeana, I only meant the "priorities" question in terms of where you spend your outrage. I have not and do not question your contribution to our troops or other worthy causes.

It's interesting that you don't remember Vietnam because I do and I would have been on your side of this debate during that war. (This is something I thought about at lunch a little while ago, even before I read your post.)

But after years of that war and after hundreds of thousands of lives lost, it wasn't people such as I (opposed to the war, but mindful of decorum) who ended the war. The war came to an end because of those who protested in every way, even if sometimes they were a little over the top.

(I hope it's clear I'm just making a point about protest, not assuming that you would agree with me if only you were my age.)

I am probably closer to your age and I do remember the Vietnam war. I remember my friends on leave and what they had to say. It was pretty bad. Most were having a hard time with the directives that were not clear.The killing of villagers was hard for a lot them even when pregnant women would throw out hand grenades.

The squat of the villagers transcended back, I always thought that odd.Much, much was too much. And then there was Lyndon Johnson.Again, it was the machine. The need for contracts and political cronyisms. I was very young then but I remember all of it. I was mad at Jane Fonda too. My friends were being shot at but in retrospect I understand more and don't always believe what I am being dished.It was a totally stupid war that costs a lot of lives. It had no purpose, other than what I mentioned before. The people that promulgated this war are dead now but the benefits are being reaped to some...mostly friends and relatives.

 

[Nova]

I am probably closer to your age and I do remember the Vietnam war.

I never would have believed we'd be in this situation again and having the same arguments in my lifetime. How naive am I? How stupid are they who began this war?

 

[concernedperson]

I never would have believed we'd be in this situation again and having the same arguments in my lifetime. How naive am I? How stupid are they who began this war?

Ditto. It wasn't me. But my peers. Now,I wish I wasn't so reticent but I thought we had grown. Wrong!

 

[mic730]

I just went to their site and listened to the song 'Not Ready to Make Nice'.
I liked it.

 

[JDB]

If GWB is "damned if he does and damned if doesn't," he deserves no pity from us.

He made his bed...

Nova: Lets lay the blame where it belongs OK Again the Senate the Congress all agreed to do this. Like I said One Man does not make all the choices here. So lets ask for every dang balsted Congressman and Senate to Resign right now.

 

[JDB]

Have they ever been invited to? I hardly think this is a fair statement to make. Promotional events like that tend to steer away from artists who take a stand that is viewed as controversial. And while I am sure Toby Keith does support the troops, you cannot deny the fact that his appearance was partly a marketing/pr. manuever. Case in point - when Jessica Simpson performed for the troops - her label and PR team mandated it as it would boost her popularity and therefore her record sales.

I think it is admirable when anyone performs for the troops but just remember that these decisions are not solely based on altruistic reasons.

Clearly people do care about them or this thread wouldn't be so long!

From what I have heard. Toby Keith asked to be there. His way of showing the troops he was there for them. Has the Dixie chicks done it NOPE!

I think we have beat this one like a dead horse. None of us will change how we feel.

 

[Nova]

Nova: Lets lay the blame where it belongs OK Again the Senate the Congress all agreed to do this. Like I said One Man does not make all the choices here. So lets ask for every dang balsted Congressman and Senate to Resign right now.

JDB, I think there were a couple of resisters, but by and large you'll get no argument from me on the Congress.

But this President has done everything in his power to expand the executive branch and hobble the legislature, so the argument that the blame should be shared doesn't really fly.

It's true the spineless Congress acquiesced to this war, but they did so based largely on the false information supplied by the White House.

 

[Nova]

From what I have heard. Toby Keith asked to be there. His way of showing the troops he was there for them. Has the Dixie chicks done it NOPE!

How do you know this? As many have pointed out, given the way this pseudo-controversy has been worked by Fox & Co., what makes anyone think the DC would be welcome?

Maybe the reason we can't reach any agreement on this subject is that one side bases at least some of its arguments on imaginary information.

 

[paperhanger44z]

Thank you for proving my point that Toby Keith is every bit as political an artist as the Dixie Chicks. And why shouldn't he be?

One can disagree with the Dixie Chicks (though this thread shows how doing so requires considerable twists of logic), but arguing that political expression is inappropriate ONLY when one doesn't like the view expressed is dishonest (if inadvertently so).

Wow ,singing a tribute to your father is political? I think you just lost me.

 

[Nova]

Wow ,singing a tribute to your father is political? I think you just lost me.

You might try reading the posts on this subject. Simply calling something "a tribute to my father" doesn't eliminate its political content. Sheesh!

 

[paperhanger44z]

If GWB is "damned if he does and damned if doesn't," he deserves no pity from us.

He made his bed...

Yes he did,along with the majority of congress(democrats and republicans),and the majority of Americans at that time.The problem is that we are still here with no end in sight.I've learned that to blame one man for all our nation's problems is really quite naive.

 

[Nova]

Yes he did,along with the majority of congress(democrats and republicans),and the majority of Americans at that time.The problem is that we are still here with no end in sight.I've learned that to blame one man for all our nation's problems is really quite naive.

Since you don't seem to read the posts to which you reply, I doubt you should be calling me naive.

As I said above, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the Congress and the American people relied on information supplied by the executive branch, information which the suppliers knew or should have known to be inaccurate and/or incomplete.

Bush is quite famous for ignoring all but a select few advisers whom he himself appoints. And most of us mean Bush and his advisers when we speak of the President.

This is Bush's war. No two ways about it.

 

[JDB]

How do you know this? As many have pointed out, given the way this pseudo-controversy has been worked by Fox & Co., what makes anyone think the DC would be welcome?

Maybe the reason we can't reach any agreement on this subject is that one side bases at least some of its arguments on imaginary information.

Nova: No Imaginary Info here. I saw Toby on CMT interview and they asked him Why he did it. His relp because he had to do to the fact he had to support the troops. Along with a Tribute to his Father.
Agian we are talking 911 versus Iraq .If the Dixie chicks would had said before Iraq maybe I would have let it slide.

 

[paperhanger44z]

Since you don't seem to read the posts to which you reply, I doubt you should be calling me naive.

As I said above, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the Congress and the American people relied on information supplied by the executive branch, information which the suppliers knew or should have known to be inaccurate and/or incomplete.

Bush is quite famous for ignoring all but a select few advisers whom he himself appoints. And most of us mean Bush and his advisers when we speak of the President.

This is Bush's war. No two ways about it.

Nova,I wasn't calling you naive.I said that Ive found it personally to be a naive point of view to think that.And yes I've read every post.I enjoy your point of view as well.I agree with you that they have every right to say what they want.But people have every right to their opinion to dislike what they said and show it by not buying their records anymore.It's a shame really because they are super talented.

 

[Nova]

Nova: No Imaginary Info here. I saw Toby on CMT interview and they asked him Why he did it. His relp because he had to do to the fact he had to support the troops. Along with a Tribute to his Father.
Agian we are talking 911 versus Iraq .If the Dixie chicks would had said before Iraq maybe I would have let it slide.

JDB, I wasn't questioning your understanding of Toby Keith. My point is we don't really know what the DC might be willing to do if they were welcome to do so; I seriously doubt they have "refused" to perform for the troops. They have said nothing against the troops.

 

[Nova]

Nova,I wasn't calling you naive.I said that Ive found it personally to be a naive point of view to think that.And yes I've read every post.I enjoy your point of view as well.I agree with you that they have every right to say what they want.But people have every right to their opinion to dislike what they said and show it by not buying their records anymore.It's a shame really because they are super talented.

Sorry, if I seemed snappish. As you can see, it's been a long argument here. In general, most of us who say "the President" know we're talking about an entire branch of government. But as Truman said, "The buck stops (with the President)."

I'm not saying anybody has to buy Dixie Chick albums. I don't have a single one, though my son praises them highly.

But I do think the continuing rage at them is highly questionable, particularly from people who agree the war was a mistake.