The Dixie Chicks
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Re the Toby Keith lyrics above, I want to reiterate that nobody here has said Mr. Keith shouldn't sing his songs. Certainly I haven't.
But the assertion that the Dixie Chicks are "political," but other popular country acts are not, is ridiculous.
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Even if I agreed with the complaints against the Chicks in this thread, the tortured exertions posters go through to demonize the Chicks should arouse our suspicions.
Can anybody say, "Scapegoat much?"
But the assertion that the Dixie Chicks are "political," but other popular country acts are not, is ridiculous.
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Even if I agreed with the complaints against the Chicks in this thread, the tortured exertions posters go through to demonize the Chicks should arouse our suspicions.
Can anybody say, "Scapegoat much?"
michelle said:
I haven't heard it either, Michelle. I only know the lyrics quoted in the article Jeana found for us.
But even from that excerpt, it's clear the song isn't saying Buddy Holly was a bad guy or was hated by his neighbors. It's talking about the legend of Holly being condemned for playing rock 'n' roll before the genre became accepted. (The legend may be untrue, for all I know, but it doesn't condemn Holly.)
michelle said:
What is the difference? The fact that Natalie said a half-dozen words that were spoken rather than sung?
And does anybody honestly believe Toby Keith has never done the same before or after some of his political songs?
Nova:Thank you for posting Toby's lyrics.This song was a tribute to his father who was killed in a wreck. Now let it be known I have seen Toby in concert and the first thing he says when he is going to sing this song is This is for all our people protec ting us. He also has been know to allowing GI's back stage to show how much he supports them.
Also just to you let you all know a little know fact. When Toby goes to do a concert guess what song the Troops wants to here. yep you got it Red White and Blue.In fact the Troops even paint the words on the bombs on there jets. They are proud to be Americans. And this song also was done after 911 not when we went to IRAQ
Also just to you let you all know a little know fact. When Toby goes to do a concert guess what song the Troops wants to here. yep you got it Red White and Blue.In fact the Troops even paint the words on the bombs on there jets. They are proud to be Americans. And this song also was done after 911 not when we went to IRAQ
Yea but you can sing a song and while it may have what you believe in it or whatever, I think that is different than standing on a stage bad mouthing the president. It would have been better to me if she would have kept that to herself and maybe put it in a song. Thats just my opinion....Nova said:
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Well my Dad is a Texan and he is ashamed that Natalie is from there. I agree with you Michelle.michelle said:
JDB said:
Thank you for proving my point that Toby Keith is every bit as political an artist as the Dixie Chicks. And why shouldn't he be?
One can disagree with the Dixie Chicks (though this thread shows how doing so requires considerable twists of logic), but arguing that political expression is inappropriate ONLY when one doesn't like the view expressed is dishonest (if inadvertently so).
michelle said:
So ultimately it's the badmouthing of the president you resent? That much I can understand (though personally I don't think this president has been "badmouthed" nearly enough).
But I don't understand the inherent distinction you find between speaking an opinion and singing it. And I don't understand why you think the Chicks are unique in speaking their views. JDB just gave us examples of political speech by Toby Keith.
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bakerprune64 said:
As are many Texans, baker.
Excuse me? How do you say Toby is like the Dixie chicks?He never goes on stage and Says anything either way about the war or politics. he supports the troops. And like I said check the date when his song came out. it was after 911.Nova said:
And I suppose Allen Jackson is a nother politcal artist when he wrote and preformed Were you there after the 911 attacks.
Let me back up what I said with Facts
Facts The song was written (Toby Keith)
©2002 Tokeco Tunes (BMI)
Fact The reason it was written
The single, Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue (The Angry American), is an outpouring of grief, anger and frustration Keith wrote in the wake of Sept. 11 and the earlier death of his father. The controversial, patriotic song tells of a veteran who lost his eye in a combat training mission and also features a number of confrontational verses.
it was a song I was inspired to write because I lost (my father) six months before 9/11. Nobody wrote an angry American song, and this was one. It was the way everybody felt when they saw those two buildings fall."
Fact Doing Tours for the USO in support of the Troops
"By the time the 4th of July gets here, that thing'll be No. 1, and it'll sit there for weeks," says Keith, who returned this week from a USO tour to the Balkans.
WHole article here
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-06-13-toby-keith.htm
Facts The song was written (Toby Keith)
©2002 Tokeco Tunes (BMI)
Fact The reason it was written
The single, Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue (The Angry American), is an outpouring of grief, anger and frustration Keith wrote in the wake of Sept. 11 and the earlier death of his father. The controversial, patriotic song tells of a veteran who lost his eye in a combat training mission and also features a number of confrontational verses.
it was a song I was inspired to write because I lost (my father) six months before 9/11. Nobody wrote an angry American song, and this was one. It was the way everybody felt when they saw those two buildings fall."
Fact Doing Tours for the USO in support of the Troops
"By the time the 4th of July gets here, that thing'll be No. 1, and it'll sit there for weeks," says Keith, who returned this week from a USO tour to the Balkans.
WHole article here
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-06-13-toby-keith.htm
Ok grant you that. But still the Dixie Chicks were dead wrong saying what they did. And the fact they did not have the courage to say it on our soil so who how low they really are.Nova said:
And toby was about 911 there is a big difference.
Toby Keith in a Playboy Magazine interview:
Whether one agrees or not, these are political statements. Even a seemingly neutral statement like a shout out to "those who keep us free" is still a political opinion. Of course, "keeping us free" is what our soldiers agreed to do and want to do, and what they should be doing, but whether that is what they are being used for in Iraq is a matter of opinion.
(ETA the ful interview had many other political opinions. Some I agree with. But whether I agree or not, good for Mr. Keith for speaking up.)
Whether one agrees or not, these are political statements. Even a seemingly neutral statement like a shout out to "those who keep us free" is still a political opinion. Of course, "keeping us free" is what our soldiers agreed to do and want to do, and what they should be doing, but whether that is what they are being used for in Iraq is a matter of opinion.
(ETA the ful interview had many other political opinions. Some I agree with. But whether I agree or not, good for Mr. Keith for speaking up.)
The DC have said and continue to say plenty on our soil. The argument that a single sentence pronounced in Britain proves "cowardice" is bogus.
Funny how the DC are indicted for both (a) speaking too boldly and (b) being too timid. They have refused to back down despite death threats, the loss of millions of dollars and the departure of thousands of fans.
Where is the cowardice?
Funny how the DC are indicted for both (a) speaking too boldly and (b) being too timid. They have refused to back down despite death threats, the loss of millions of dollars and the departure of thousands of fans.
Where is the cowardice?
JDB said:
JDB, I'm not ignoring your point that 9/11 and the Iraq War are different and separate events. I agree. (If only the President and his neo-Con advisers had honest about the distinction during the build up to the invasion of Iraq.)
The point at issue here was what is a political statement? That the subject is 9/11 (and we all tend to agree more on that matter) doesn't mean a statement isn't political.
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Nova said:
Nova, I think your hormones are out of balance. You don't seem to be your normal human self. I hope you get better soon.
Jeana (DP)
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Nova said:
The difference, Nova, is that Toby Keith's remarks were made to TERRORISTS. The Dixie Chicks' remarks were made towards the President of the United States.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Thnak you. That is what I have been stumbling with all morningJeana (DP) said:
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