The Eikelenbooms and Touch DNA

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I am beginning to wonder IF DNA is the ONLY thing that the defense wants tested.

The defense is running out of time. The deadline for filing any motion related to forensic evidence and listing of expert witnesses is 11/30/2010. I believe the defense would have to get JAC approval before testing anything besides those 2 items and would have to show just cause as to why they had to use an out of state facility.

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...tion and Hearing Deadlines and Trial Date.pdf
 
Website for NMS Labs in PA.
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For more than 35 years, NMS Labs has been setting the standard for excellence in clinical toxicology and forensic testing—responding to the needs of healthcare providers, medical researchers, coroners, and the criminal justice system with state-of-the-art tests that other labs don’t or can’t provide. A national reference laboratory, NMS Labs is unsurpassed in its scope of tests, accuracy of results, client service, scientific expertise, and innovation in the areas of:


Forensic toxicology and criminalistics
Clinical toxicology and esoteric testing
Clinical research support
Expert consultative services



I am beginning to wonder IF DNA is the ONLY thing that the defense wants tested.
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Have any ideas you'd like to share ? :)
 
I don't think the defense team expects to find anything that proves Casey didn't do it. I think what they are shooting for is just a scrap of unknown dna that cannot be id'd. They then proceed to paint a picture of sloppy police work, an unknown assailant, etc. Reasonable doubt. He's gonna try and use science to get her off just like the prosecution is using it to convict.
 
I don't think the defense team expects to find anything that proves Casey didn't do it. I think what they are shooting for is just a scrap of unknown dna that cannot be id'd. They then proceed to paint a picture of sloppy police work, an unknown assailant, etc. Reasonable doubt. He's gonna try and use science to get her off just like the prosecution is using it to convict.

I agree w/you that the defense team is going to use the forensics to muddy the waters and try to create reasonable doubt, and to some extent they might succeed. But to me, the real damaging evidence of this case is the 31 days, the lies, and Casey's demeanor both during the time Caylee was missing and nobody knew about it but her, and her demeanor after it was publicly known that Caylee was missing. Heck, her continuing behavior doesn't paint her character in a positive light either. She doesn't want to attend any of the hearings pertaining to her DP case. At least she is being forced to attend the motion hearings, but w/what went on and what was discussed at the last status hearing, I feel she needs to be forced to attend those as well.

The point being, that maybe the defense can muddy the waters a little bit w/the forensics, but they will never get past the 31 days, Casey's lies, Casey's demeanor, Casey's behavior (i.e. partying, stealing money from Amy, getting the "beautiful life" tattoo, etc.). I also think it is very damaging to the defense team that the state is going to be allowed to introduce the 911 call where Cindy states that Casey's car smelled like it had a dead body in it. If I was on the jury, I would wonder why the defense team was spending so much time trying to refute the forensics evidence w/out trying to explain what happened the last time Casey had Caylee and how she got out of her possession.
 
My opinion is the defense can muddy it up all they want, but they still have to explain to a jury KC's imaginanny, 31 days, lies to LE (personally this one would have me disgusted with the defendant due to context of the lies, if I were a juror) ,and KC's partying while her "kidnapped* baby lay rotting in a swamp.

What compelling, rational reason would KC have to lie to LE if she did not kill her baby? That's what I'd be waiting for the defense to answer, imo. And my personal opinion is the defense can't answer it, hence them throwing everyone associated with KC under the bus and dragging their feet. Can't explain why your client did x,y, or z? Shovel dirt onto someone else - anyone else!
 
I agree w/you that the defense team is going to use the forensics to muddy the waters and try to create reasonable doubt, and to some extent they might succeed. But to me, the real damaging evidence of this case is the 31 days, the lies, and Casey's demeanor both during the time Caylee was missing and nobody knew about it but her, and her demeanor after it was publicly known that Caylee was missing. Heck, her continuing behavior doesn't paint her character in a positive light either. She doesn't want to attend any of the hearings pertaining to her DP case. At least she is being forced to attend the motion hearings, but w/what went on and what was discussed at the last status hearing, I feel she needs to be forced to attend those as well.

The point being, that maybe the defense can muddy the waters a little bit w/the forensics, but they will never get past the 31 days, Casey's lies, Casey's demeanor, Casey's behavior (i.e. partying, stealing money from Amy, getting the "beautiful life" tattoo, etc.). I also think it is very damaging to the defense team that the state is going to be allowed to introduce the 911 call where Cindy states that Casey's car smelled like it had a dead body in it. If I was on the jury, I would wonder why the defense team was spending so much time trying to refute the forensics evidence w/out trying to explain what happened the last time Casey had Caylee and how she got out of her possession.
Ha! We essentially posted the same thing. The only story KC has given to LE is Zanny the Nanny, which we all know is a HUGE LIE. I'm on tenter-hooks for the defense to stammer out an explanation for this.
 
I can't help but laugh. The 1st footnote in the order regarding the DNA testing states...

"The defense states that his CV is attached to the motion as Exhibit A, but there are no attachments to the Motion scanned by the clerk of court."

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20Granting%20in%20Part%20and%20Denying%20in%20Part%20Motion%20to%20Test%20For%20DNA%20Evidence.pdf

There are no words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Par for the course, isn't it?

I was kind of interested in reading RE's CV too. Oh well, with Baez I have gotten used to disappointment.

Guess the E's might be disappointed now too that they aren't going to get their free publicity.
 
I can't help but laugh. The 1st footnote in the order regarding the DNA testing states...

"The defense states that his CV is attached to the motion as Exhibit A, but there are no attachments to the Motion scanned by the clerk of court."

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20Granting%20in%20Part%20and%20Denying%20in%20Part%20Motion%20to%20Test%20For%20DNA%20Evidence.pdf

There are no words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Sleuther, there ARE words alright!! but I will keep my words to myself or else get a time out..

I read that footnote too,
I'm sure Judge Perry was very impressed,
1) Baez asks for the Motion, that he filed that same morning, to be heard.
OK, fine with the Judge and SA
2) BUT Judge Perry does not even have a copy of the Motion, and instead of Baez giving His Honor his copy of recently filed motion..he stumbles... which allows Jeff Ashton to swoop in and trump him. IMO
3) when the Judge does get the Motion and writes an Order an attachment that was stated to be with the Motion is not there.


Judge: Mr Baez I did not get the CV you state was attached to your Motion.
Baez: I'm shocked, Judge...oh well no need for the CV now since that part of the motion was denied, right Judge?...BTW Judge did I mention Mr E was world renowned and perfected touch DNA?..I did, oh, well I thought I'd mention it again Judge.

Do we have have Baezs' Motion posted? I haven't read it yet.
 
I can't help but laugh. The 1st footnote in the order regarding the DNA testing states...

"The defense states that his CV is attached to the motion as Exhibit A, but there are no attachments to the Motion scanned by the clerk of court."

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20Granting%20in%20Part%20and%20Denying%20in%20Part%20Motion%20to%20Test%20For%20DNA%20Evidence.pdf

There are no words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Au contraire. There are two words.

Jose.

Baez.

'nuff said.
 
I can't help but laugh. The 1st footnote in the order regarding the DNA testing states...

"The defense states that his CV is attached to the motion as Exhibit A, but there are no attachments to the Motion scanned by the clerk of court."

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20Granting%20in%20Part%20and%20Denying%20in%20Part%20Motion%20to%20Test%20For%20DNA%20Evidence.pdf

There are no words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Imaginary nanny - invisible CV's - a pair well met and well matched!!
 
Some comments of note regarding the Tim Master's case.

"He was fixated, just fixated on Masters," Wheeler says of Broderick. "He was fitting facts to a hypothesis. That's not how it's supposed to work."

Broderick says he was merely assembling circumstantial evidence, which he describes as a standard investigative approach.

Wheeler was adamant at the time that other suspects should be a major focus. She also believed an FBI profile of the killer should be developed, but her supervisors didn't allow it.



"But Elkelenboom found his quarry in the interior lining of Hettrick's panties: the skin of an unknown man-a full genetic profile."[/I][/B]

http://www.denverpost.com/evidence/ci_6373222

So my question is.........did anyone at any time (other than KC) dress Caylee? And given the answer to that question.......where will the bus stop next???
 
Oh Sleuther, there ARE words alright!! but I will keep my words to myself or else get a time out..

I read that footnote too,
I'm sure Judge Perry was very impressed,
1) Baez asks for the Motion, that he filed that same morning, to be heard.
OK, fine with the Judge and SA
2) BUT Judge Perry does not even have a copy of the Motion, and instead of Baez giving His Honor his copy of recently filed motion..he stumbles... which allows Jeff Ashton to swoop in and trump him. IMO
3) when the Judge does get the Motion and writes an Order an attachment that was stated to be with the Motion is not there.


Judge: Mr Baez I did not get the CV you state was attached to your Motion.
Baez: I'm shocked, Judge...oh well no need for the CV now since that part of the motion was denied, right Judge?...BTW Judge did I mention Mr E was world renowned and perfected touch DNA?..I did, oh, well I thought I'd mention it again Judge.

Do we have have Baezs' Motion posted? I haven't read it yet.


Here is the original motion, courtesy of MuzikMan, you can find motions in this thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94377:

Original Motion: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/56021806/09272010-Defense-Motion-to-Test-DNA-Evidence
 
Website for NMS Labs in PA.
http://www.nmslab.com/about-overview/

Company Overview
For more than 35 years, NMS Labs has been setting the standard for excellence in clinical toxicology and forensic testing—responding to the needs of healthcare providers, medical researchers, coroners, and the criminal justice system with state-of-the-art tests that other labs don’t or can’t provide. A national reference laboratory, NMS Labs is unsurpassed in its scope of tests, accuracy of results, client service, scientific expertise, and innovation in the areas of:


Forensic toxicology and criminalistics
Clinical toxicology and esoteric testing
Clinical research support
Expert consultative services



I am beginning to wonder IF DNA is the ONLY thing that the defense wants tested.


SOTS - You predicted it, I wonder what they're requesting:

Murder Docket Updated:

10/01/2010 Motion to Determine Reasonable Budget for Due Process costs, In a Capital case and Motion to Incur Certain Specified Costs
 
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_cFtlsWfOk57J93gB3DJt7O/1

Article 12/14/2008


They average 20 cases a year, with payment coming from lawyers, defense funds, prosecutors, family members - whoever's hiring.

In 2005, they founded Independent Forensic Services out of their home. Every room, aside from the bedroom and bathroom, is lab space. The Eikelenbooms rarely have people over; they can't risk contaminating any evidence, and there is no place to eat or drink. But they like it this way - staging crime scenes all day, working on DNA recovery and lab analysis, then curling up in bed at night to watch their favorite shows: "Law & Order" and "CSI." (Richard just bought a new microscope used by an investigator on a recent episode of "CSI.")

While here, the Eikelenbooms will also be looking at houses in Colorado; their goal is to be based in the States full-time. "America is much bigger; you have more cases, and more interesting cases," says Richard. "People can go from state to state to kill and dump. In Holland, we have 16 million people living in a 50x100 mile area - it's hard to dump a body."

"Plus," Selma says, "your houses in the States are so huge."


Maybe the money that someone "was" going to pay them for work on the Caylee case.....was supposed to pay for that "big" house.
 
SOTS - You predicted it, I wonder what they're requesting:

Murder Docket Updated:

10/01/2010 Motion to Determine Reasonable Budget for Due Process costs, In a Capital case and Motion to Incur Certain Specified Costs


I started a post earlier about what else they want tested. I took so long that I got logged out and my post was lost. I will have to go back and take the time to do it the right way BUT in a nutshell......

As soon as the lab was named I spent some time reviewing their website.

My thought process was this (be it crazy or not).......
I just don't see how the defense can refute premeditated murder by relying on discrediting prosecution experts and witnesses. It just needs MORE in order to get the juries attention.

Given that the NMS lab does quite a bit of work with toxicology......it seems there has to be something that the defense may still be trying to keep close to the vest.

I take note of the NUMEROUS references made by witnesses, KC's family, and random quack letter writers about KC and smoking pot. The defense seems to have targeted Tony a bit more than anyone else.

The lab is one of the first to do toxicology screening for synthetic cannabinoids. As of now....not all states have outlawed them. In 2008 Florida did NOT have laws against them and they could be found in certain incense and items popular with students.

As of now...Florida has pending litigation.

I can't help but wonder if the defense wants to test additional objects for trace amounts of "synthetic" drugs. Drugs that could cause harm (read accidental death) but not be outlawed. Trace amounts that could be found in hair, urine, etc.......

That was my thought when I made that post. Is the motion up yet?????
 
Here is the original motion, courtesy of MuzikMan, you can find motions in this thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94377:

Original Motion: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/56021806/09272010-Defense-Motion-to-Test-DNA-Evidence

Thank You!
Yup there it is ..see Exhibit A for Mr Eikelenbloom's CV..but no Exhibit A...LOL

No worries about a missing CV, Mr E is world renowned and highly regarded as a pioneer and Judge Perry just needs to take Baez's word for it...
 
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"Plus," Selma says, "your houses in the States are so huge."[/I][/B]

Maybe the money that someone "was" going to pay them for work on the Caylee case.....was supposed to pay for that "big" house.


Oh, that Selma! I have a feeling if she moved into a house in my neighborhood, we wouldn't be friends.
 
"People can go from state to state to kill and dump. In Holland, we have 16 million people living in a 50x100 mile area - it's hard to dump a body."

Sounds like Mason with his "it will be fun" comment. Do these monsters realize what they are saying??
 

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