The elusive "other" cell phone - the Blackjack - REVISITED

[angelmom]

Couple of things about this blackjack...I have one so this bugs me.

1) It is true that it doesn't hold a charge well, especially for someone who uses it like Casey. I use mine a lot, but not even remotely like she does, and I sometimes don't make it to the end of the day before needing to recharge it. Because this is a known problem, AT&T/Cingular has been advising customers of this issue and giving them a free extra battery with the purchase of this phone since at least 1/07.

2) You could switch the sim card back and forth, but since the sim card for this phone is more advanced it wouldn't make the phone work as well as it is designed. At least that is what I was advised when I bought it and didn't want to have to input all my numbers and info again.

3) I would think that if Casey had a secret phone for her nefarious things and a regular phone for regular things she would use the blackjack on a regular basis. It looks more "professional" to go with her work lies (getting email on the phone, keeping her calendar, is a windows based platform, etc.) than a regular phone. I also think that if she were using one for secret things, she would get a second phone number or a throwaway with an anonymous number.

4) The issue about the memory is interesting. I was advised to buy more memory for the phone since it can be an mp3 player and camera, etc. so it needs a lot. However, we know that there is no phone number for Zanny stored on that phone b/c it would still show up on her records. I think this is another case of that grain of truth in her lies. She remembered this little tidbit from buying the phone in May and thought it might buy her some time. Ditto with holding a charge.

I don't know if she lost it or destroyed it b/c of pictures/recordings/video that are on it and she wasn't sure how to completely get rid of them any other way. It does have a "record" feature (like a tape recorder) that is pretty easy to bump accidentally on the side. I wish someone would find it.

 

[liltigress]

Casey got up and left 'for work' every morning for 2 years... no job has been proven.

Casey told LE she has a blackjack for 'work'... no job has been proven.

Casey borrowed money from Jesse to pay her phone bill back in May of 2006 and never paid him back. She was getting money from somewhere, not getting rich, but I'm guessing enough to keep her phone bill paid. She wasn't stealing from all of her friends all this time.

Even if she had a phone sex job, that might not be something she'd want her friends to know, but she was getting at least enough pocket change to keep up with her lifestyle and I really don't think Cindy had been footing the bill for her partying for the last 2 years that she was supposedly working.

It is not so difficult to believe that she had a blackjack for something... under a different name and number. The only reason I could see her swapping the SIM card out is to copy her address book to the blackjack from her Nokia. I also know she never had a phone number for Zanny in either phone but to send Lee in circles with her explanation of the SIM switching was only to throw him off.

The blackjack could have gotten lost somewhere during her body hiding escapade. She left her Nokia at Tony's when her mom showed up with Amy to pick her up. There's no reason to think she would have taken the blackjack with her and left the Nokia. So I don't think she tried to ditch a phone after LE picked her up... doesn't seem plausible.

 

[Spyglass]

The explantion BondJamesBond gave at the beginning of this thread of what Casey was trying to communicate to LA in the jail call (that she dumped the Blackjack at Universal while there with LE) makes sense. Sounds brilliant, actually.

I had previously thought that when KC was describing location of where she purchased the Blackjack (bottom left side), that she was telling him where he could find it at home (bottom left drawer of desk or dresser). However, this doesn't work with BJB's well-reasoned explantion of KC code in that jail call. Could her description of bottom left somehow refer to where she dumped the phone at Universal that day while she was with LE, if there even was a Blackjack, of course?

 

[Pink Panther]

The explantion BondJamesBond gave at the beginning of this thread of what Casey was trying to communicate to LA in the jail call (that she dumped the Blackjack at Universal while there with LE) makes sense. Sounds brilliant, actually.

I had previously thought that when KC was describing location of where she purchased the Blackjack (bottom left side), that she was telling him where he could find it at home (bottom left drawer of desk or dresser). However, this doesn't work with BJB's well-reasoned explantion of KC code in that jail call. Could her description of bottom left somehow refer to where she dumped the phone at Universal that day while she was with LE, if there even was a Blackjack, of course?

I agree with you totally Spyglass. If there was a blackjack that's how I would interpret LA and KC's conversation as well. The only thing that kind of made me go "hmmm" about that was that she doesn't say "at Universal", she says "at THE Universal". So it kind of made me think that she was talking about a different Universal. Otherwise, I agree.

 

[wings]

ok, I have not been online for about a week or so and my time today is very limited but I have a few questions about the blackjack too. I mentioned before that R Grund said he gave her a cellphone? Again I ask Why? In Amy's comments to Casey on the text messages that were released she keeps talking about getting involved with a firefighter, they never state this is an actual fireman, like you would initially think, and if you read RG's bio his group calls themselves firefighters? Could this be what she is referring to? Let me see if I can get a link real quick to that. I hate to keep coming back to this if this family has nothing to do with it but these are things that strike me as odd, we know R. Grund said he took care of Caylee because his office was out of the home, and that Casey tried to get his teenage son to watch her, but what about the mother? If she is the teacher I found in that area, the reviews on her are that of a bipolar type, (that may be another person all together so I won't say anything more about her without knowing) but J Grund did say to Casey in his text messages that his mother was the one that told him to contact Casey. Going to get a link for that bio I was talking about.
Ok, Second thought on the blackjack? If there is no blackjack why do we not see any calls or texts from Kristina M.C her other supposed to be bff? Or do we and I missed them? Sorry, I've been out of touch and will be again for a few days just had these couple of thoughts on my mind.

added link to r grunds bio: http://www.firefallproductions.com/team_firefall.htm

 

[momtective]

The explantion BondJamesBond gave at the beginning of this thread of what Casey was trying to communicate to LA in the jail call (that she dumped the Blackjack at Universal while there with LE) makes sense. Sounds brilliant, actually.

I had previously thought that when KC was describing location of where she purchased the Blackjack (bottom left side), that she was telling him where he could find it at home (bottom left drawer of desk or dresser). However, this doesn't work with BJB's well-reasoned explantion of KC code in that jail call. Could her description of bottom left somehow refer to where she dumped the phone at Universal that day while she was with LE, if there even was a Blackjack, of course?

 

[wings]

Thanks mom, where'd you dig this up? Very interesting to read the bottom Chica's input too.

 

[momtective]

Thanks mom, where'd you dig this up? Very interesting to read the bottom Chica's input too.

Hey Wings, you can see several KC m/s posts here http://s489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/?start=20

 

[wings]

Hey Wings, you can see several KC m/s posts here http://s489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/?start=20

Thanks!

 

[Lil Miss Sleuth]

Not sure if this has been posted before or if it should be moved, but I just can't let the "blackjack" that Casey kept referring to in her conversation with Lee go. I did some more research and among other things a "blackjack" is a blugeoning impact weapon


Check out this link: http://www.blade-empire.com/Law_Enforcement/Leather_Blackjack_Slapper-Flat-Large.shtml

 

[countzero]

Not sure if this has been posted before or if it should be moved, but I just can't let the "blackjack" that Casey kept referring to in her conversation with Lee go. I did some more research and among other things a "blackjack" is a blugeoning impact weapon


Check out this link: http://www.blade-empire.com/Law_Enforcement/Leather_Blackjack_Slapper-Flat-Large.shtml

I had similar thoughts when I first heard about the "blackjack" because the gangs in our area use them. Then after hearing more of KC's movements and the people she associates with I began thinking of the phone blackjack. Then I simply figured between KC and LA the reference was a coded word or reference they both had a past connection with.

Not sure if we the public will ever get a clear understanding of what their, CA/LA, version of a backjack is.

Only the backjack knows, and it is a card carrying member of the silence club.

 

[cuppy199]

I dont believe there ever was a blackjack phone. Even if KC had two phone and a sims card there is no way she could have two phones on the same number.You can have more then one phone on account but the phones have different phone numbers. KC said they were the same number and there no way.:waitasec:

 

[Im On It]

I found this:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11282_7-6551700-1.html

Is there a way for GSM phones to have two phones that work with the same number? I have two phones and use one for work and a handset for outside of work. Can both phones have the same phone number without swapping SIM cards?

Sorry, Aviyam, you're a bit ahead of your time on this one. While you'd think cell phones would have this capability, especially since they can play music and take pictures, at present, it's not possible to have two handsets tied to the same phone number in the United States. Some carriers in Singapore and Europe offer this functionality, however. While you may find it inconvenient to switch your SIM card between your two phones, that's what you'll have to do for now. Conversely, phones are available that accommodate two SIM cards. They aren't offered by a U.S. carrier, but they are available in Europe.

 

[PinkyPoo]

Sure you can.
I have two phones. If I want to use the newer phone I just take the sim card out of the older phone and pop it in the newer phone. Then the newer phone has the same number as the older phone.
Only the phone with my Sim card in it will ring with my phone number.

The phone number and provider data is stored on the Sim card.....not the phone itself. So what ever phone has my sim card in it will also have my saame phone number.

I hope I explained that well enough. I know it's confusing if you don't understand the "Sim Card" thing.

 

[Where's Andre]

Sure you can.
I have two phones. If I want to use the newer phone I just take the sim card out of the older phone and pop it in the newer phone. Then the newer phone has the same number as the older phone.
Only the phone with my Sim card in it will ring with my phone number.

The phone number and provider data is stored on the Sim card.....not the phone itself. So what ever phone has my sim card in it will also have my saame phone number.

I hope I explained that well enough. I know it's confusing if you don't understand the "Sim Card" thing.

A few caveats... in the US many phones are "locked" to only accept SIM cards from the same carrier. This is because discount prices of phones are subsidized by the contracts with the carrier. They don't want you to get a "cheap" phone by cancelling your contract and jumping to another carrier. The iPhone is a good example of this.

SIM cards originated in GSM phones, but some but not all cellular standards use them. At present I don't know of any CDMA phones that use SIM cards unless they are multiformat.

But if you have two phones on the same network, you can swap SIM cards and use the same number without additional activation. Some SIM cards have storage, but I've never been able to swap SIM cards and retain my contacts in the SIM card. It's a hassle to move your contacts that way, unless you have some other storage or a cable to suck the data out of one phone to the other, because the phone usually doesn't work without the SIM card.

If there was a Blackjack phone, and Casey swapped her SIM card into it-- the calls would have been billed to Casey's account, and pings etc would follow that phone. If she had two SIM cards, she could swap back and forth between them and the charges and the number would follow the SIM card.

Best I can recall (I've been out of the celluar industry for a while), they likely would be able to tell forensically by the call logs what type of phone was being used for which calls for a given SIM card.

If there were two SIM cards, and they were associated to different accounts you might have trouble sorting out calls made on someone else's SIM card and account. But certainly if someone swapped SIM cards with you, you could probably tell when you got the bill, because the calls would get billed to your account.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I use a Go-Phone with a SIM card. It's a pay-as-you go deal and cheap for me since I only use it for traveling. Total cost for me is $100/year.

I lost my phone and had to buy another. I got the new phone activated with my old number since nobody had accessed my account. Since then, I updated my phone and simply switched out the SIM card. Now, when I program in a number, I also have the option to save it to the SIM card as well as the phone itself. If I need to go back and use the old phone, the numbers will already be there on the SIM card.

Casey was playing games when she said that she lost the supposed "blackjack" because she would have lost it without her SIM card as she only had one. Whichever phone she was using would have pinged identically since the card is for the same number, same account.

In addition, she claimed she only had the nanny's # on the original phone, the Nokia. She would have had to deliberately delete the number from the phone for her story to be true. I can't imagine why she would have done that with such an important number!

If the number was on the phantom blackjack, it would have registered to her account anyway.

Overall, the fact is, there has only been one number for Casey, regardless of the phone she used. Her records would have shown calls to the nanny... and we all know that they don't!

 

[Where's Andre]

<snip>
Is there a way for GSM phones to have two phones that work with the same number? I have two phones and use one for work and a handset for outside of work. Can both phones have the same phone number without swapping SIM cards?
<snip>

There are reportedly to be ways of "cloning" SIM cards with special hardware and software. In the analog cell phone days with simpler ESN IDs this practice was simpler and a bit more common. Nowadays with "Friends and Family Plans" and so on, there isn't much of an incentive to do this.

The utility of a cloned SIM card is a bit suspect, because you wouldn't be able to use both phones at once. Both phones would ring, but only the first phone to pick up would get the call. If a another call came through while you were on the call, the first to pick up would get call-waiting, and the second phone would likely not even ring.

If you tried to originate a call on the second phone while the other phone was engaged, the second phone would likely either not be allowed to call out, and anti-fraud control might signal "Shenanigans" and disable the SIM card and the account altogether.

 

[countzero]

Not sure if this has been posted before or if it should be moved, but I just can't let the "blackjack" that Casey kept referring to in her conversation with Lee go. I did some more research and among other things a "blackjack" is a blugeoning impact weapon


Check out this link: http://www.blade-empire.com/Law_Enforcement/Leather_Blackjack_Slapper-Flat-Large.shtml

I had similar thoughts when I first heard about the "blackjack" because the gangs in our area use them. Then after hearing more of KC's movements and the people she associates with I began thinking of the phone blackjack. Then I simply figured between KC and LA the reference was a coded word or reference they both had a past connection with.

Not sure if we the public will ever get a clear understanding of what their, CA/LA, version of a backjack is.

Only the backjack knows, and it is a card carrying member of the silence club.

 

[servingothers]

I dont believe there ever was a blackjack phone. Even if KC had two phone and a sims card there is no way she could have two phones on the same number.You can have more then one phone on account but the phones have different phone numbers. KC said they were the same number and there no way.:waitasec:

If we believe that Lee and Casey were talking in code, then maybe the swapping of the sim cards meant that she swapped the body from one place to another.

 

[magic-cat]

I believe if there was ever a blackjack that one of three things occurred.
&#9827; It was stolen from her at a bar or some other place. (Which if she had one is how I think SHE obtained it-by stealing it from someone.)
&#9827; She lost it when she disposed of Caylee's body-maybe it was in her pocket and fell out and she could not find it, or it was in one of the pockets of her clothing and she had to get rid of that clothing due to the decomp smell or possibly some leakage occurred and she was so cranked up on adrenaline that she failed to capture the phone-it escaped her.
&#9827; She ditched it at Universal and hopefully the police were all over THAT.

It COULD be that phone, if it exists, that ties her to the remains if it is found nearby. THAT would be perfect justice, if the phone that she lied and said would prove everything that she said about ZFG wound up being the piece of evidence that put her away for a good long time.