The Hispanic Guy & The Couple

[BeanE]

That sounds plausible in that scenario. If she did harm him and TPS didn't have a clue about anything going on in SA then that is certainly a good example of why EJ would have told TPS about a "video".

But if she didn't harm him, and TPS was aware of what was going on in SA, then it also works as a good warning to whomever might have been in that video.

You will notice that all of the info TPS gave out on NG was to her advantage and not to Gabriel's. If she did have anything to do with it, NG was the only way she could have gotten information out to anyone. She was under strict surveillance herself at that time.

BBM. And it's plausible if she didn't harm him, and TPS wasn't involved and has no knowledge of Gabe's whereabouts.

LE has stated they believe TPS wasn't involved and has no knowledge.

 

[momtective]

Tammi said that Eliz said that the FBI had the imagicouple on video. LE said no such video exists.

Is that the couple on video you're referring to? Or is there another couple that's been reported to be on video?

That is indeed the couple I'm referring to...I know, I know...salt liberally.:crazy:

 

[TXHOPE]

BBM. And it's plausible if she didn't harm him, and TPS wasn't involved and has no knowledge of Gabe's whereabouts.

LE has stated they believe TPS wasn't involved and has no knowledge.

I don't think the Smith's know anything about where Gabriel is either, in fact I think they should just go away now. They aren't part of finding Gabriel anymore in my opinion, they are just a big part of the root of why this all happened. I do however think Janet from Tennesse could have set EJ up with a San Antonio connection for an underground adoption easily due to her past history and I think it could of all been done with a phone call-no emails, no record and very fast from Dec.23rd-26th after TS's plan of forcing Logan to sign the adoption papers fell through. Just my :twocents:.

 

[not_my_kids]

Ok I don't mean to be Debbie Downer but is it possible that this hispanic guy is just a guy that EJ met in SA? She's a pretty a girl and I'm sure she gets approached my random men all the time. I believe there is more to it and he is either an atty for a couple or a baby broker but is it possible he's just a guy she hooked up with?

I, unfortunately feel that it may be just that. She met a guy, they partied with a couple other people, she and they guy went to her room, had a couple pizzas and [not even gonna speculate] and then he took off.
I hope that there is more to it, but I have my doubts. Especially about the couple being the adoptives, because if they exist, I doubt that she met them. She would have had no reason to.

 

[TXHOPE]

I, unfortunately feel that it may be just that. She met a guy, they partied with a couple other people, she and they guy went to her room, had a couple pizzas and [not even gonna speculate] and then he took off.
I hope that there is more to it, but I have my doubts. Especially about the couple being the adoptives, because if they exist, I doubt that she met them. She would have had no reason to.

Is that like EJ to do something like that? I mean we don't know her so it's hard to say but I wonder if the family thinks that is in her character. It sounds like she was in a long committed relationship with Logan before. Is she the type that would bring back a guy to her hotel room where her baby is at? I hope not.. As of right now she is the :devil: to me so I guess anything is possible..

 

[smart blonde]

It came from Tammi when she was talking about what happened in the unrecorded phone conversation she had with Elizabeth.

I'll have to look it up to get it exactly, but it was something like Tammi told Elizabeth that Gabe's case had national attention. Then Elizabeth made remarks about 3 people that had posted on Tammi's FB who were from other countries.

I figure the conversation went something like this:

Tammi: Eliz, this case has national attention! People are posting on my facebook from all over!

Eliz: ummmm... Oh yeah?

Tammi: Yeah! Even 3 people from outside of the country!

Eliz: ummmm... Oh yeah? Outside the country? What countries? How the heck did they find out about all this?

Tammi: I don't know, but I'm famous, and it's all about me! me! me!

Eliz: ummmm... Oh yeah?

lol!

Have I told you lately, how much I love you, BeanE?

Your post above brought a much needed smile to my face- thank you!
For what it's worth, I have a feeling the conversation between Tammi and Elizabeth probably did happen pretty much as you stated above, unfortunately.

This case- missing baby Gabriel- has me so sad. I usually can 'deal' with these missing children case better, but Gabriel has really touched my heart deeply. I've even been dreaming about him.

I want some real, solid answers for Logan, and I'd love to see Gabriel back in Logan's arms. But, if that is not possible, as I fear, I still want the answers for Logan. The uncertainty must be excruciating. In my dreams, I am alternately trying to protect him, or trying to find him.

I feel that Tammi Smith has been a red herring in the search for Gabriel, and I worry that Tammi has just thrown more red herrings into the pot with these additional people. Three additional people who may be no more real than a nanny named Zanny.

 

[NewMommy09]

When EJ first made the statement about the couple she says she gave the baby to, she described them as a guy who was big with dark, curly hair--I don't remember a descritption calling him hispanic but she might have said that too. According to EJ, the woman was built like her with long, blond hair. Somewhere I saw EJ also said the woman's name was Cheryl. I looked through some adoption websites at potential adoptive parents in the SA area that might meet that description and found only one couple. Physical descriptions matched, name and geographic proximity. But I keep thinking that a couple would have to be really desparate for a child to be pursuing adoption through the official system and then alter to the illegal route. Especially now knowing that they may get caught. Maybe the description EJ gave was just some couple she looked at on line when she was considering options. I doubt seriously she would provide accurate descriptions for the couple when every other piece of info has been skewed. She most likely never even saw the couple who ended up with Gabriel ifit was an illegal adoption. Still, IMO, someone besides herself was pushing her to do this because that's the only explanation for the phonecall in which the woman screamed at her (overheard by the babysitter) and she kept asking,"what do you want me to do? Just go back?" unless that was LE asking her to come in with G. (Dec 27th)

BBM. That's what I keep thinking too. I would wager a guess that these "underground" operations would try to avoid the birth mother's seeing the actual people who end up with the child. Not only because the people who get the child may very well not be suitable or want the baby for a good purpose, but also because they would want to avoid any information getting out that could help find the child or bring their system down.

 

[DaneBramage]

Is that like EJ to do something like that? I mean we don't know her so it's hard to say but I wonder if the family thinks that is in her character. It sounds like she was in a long committed relationship with Logan before. Is she the type that would bring back a guy to her hotel room where her baby is at? I hope not.. As of right now she is the :devil: to me so I guess anything is possible..

Especially when it involves getting revenge on Logan.

 

[Ives]

I, unfortunately feel that it may be just that. She met a guy, they partied with a couple other people, she and they guy went to her room, had a couple pizzas and [not even gonna speculate] and then he took off.
I hope that there is more to it, but I have my doubts. Especially about the couple being the adoptives, because if they exist, I doubt that she met them. She would have had no reason to.

IMOO, It would depend on her "preference" in men. does she date an exclusive race, or does she date any race, KWIM? not trying to put this in a bad way, so bear with me, but some people only date certain races, so her "hooking up" with a hispanic guy, might or not fit. this may be a hard one, if she was exclusive with LM, and never strayed, and/or been with anyone else.

Unless she used drugs, that can alter what one does "normally" they change who you really are. But I have never heard anything about EJ and drug use, so I really do not know. he could have been just a drug dealer, a random hook up, or something more. leaves alot of unanswered questions...again...*sigh*

 

[not_my_kids]

Even if dating a Hispanic would be out of character, I don't think that means anything. She was starting over, there was no "out of character" for her at that point.
I'm pretty sure that taking her grandfather's car, running almost a thousand miles, selling most of her possessions, committing a felony, causing the disappearance of her own child, confessing to murder, hopping a bus with basically no cash, and topping it all off with no attempt to right or even reconcile her actions was at least a little out of character...but we know she did it. MOO.

 

[TXHOPE]

Even if dating a Hispanic would be out of character, I don't think that means anything. She was starting over, there was no "out of character" for her at that point.
I'm pretty sure that taking her grandfather's car, running almost a thousand miles, selling most of her possessions, committing a felony, causing the disappearance of her own child, confessing to murder, hopping a bus with basically no cash, and topping it all off with no attempt to right or even reconcile her actions was at least a little out of character...but we know she did it. MOO.

I didn't say dating a Hispanic would be out of character for her or for anyone for that matter. I would never say that. What I meant was does she have a history of being promiscuous? Is that part of her character? Is it realistic to think she would bring a random man (any race) back to her room? We all realize all of the horrible things she has done, that's why I said she was the devil in my eyes and is capable of anything. I just wanted to know if she has a history of this type of behavior. I'm trying to determine specifically the relationship between EJ and the Hispanic male she was seen with. I would of addressed the other concerns due to her character in other threads. I'm hoping this guy is a baby broker or an atty for an adoptive couple, I just want to weed out any other possible explanation of why this guy was with her.

 

[not_my_kids]

I didn't say dating a Hispanic would be out of character for her or for anyone for that matter. I would never say that. What I meant was does she have a history of being promiscuous? Is that part of her character? Is it realistic to think she would bring a random man (any race) back to her room? We all realize all of the horrible things she has done, that's why I said she was the devil in my eyes and is capable of anything. I just wanted to know if she has a history of this type of behavior. I'm trying to determine specifically the relationship between EJ and the Hispanic male she was seen with. I would of addressed the other concerns due to her character in other threads. I'm hoping this guy is a baby broker or an atty for an adoptive couple, I just want to weed out any other possible explanation of why this guy was with her.

And I was trying the same, I meant no offense and I took none from your statement. What I was addressing was that it doesn't matter if it seems out of character for her or if it's something she would normally do. There was no normal, she wanted out of normal. It's not a reliable way to gauge what the relationship to the man was, because she was intentionally acting outside of her comfort zone. She may have dated a different type or been promiscuous simply because it was out of character. I said out of character because I think it applies here, I didn't try to make it seem as if I was putting words in your mouth.

 

[TXHOPE]

And I was trying the same, I meant no offense and I took none from your statement. What I was addressing was that it doesn't matter if it seems out of character for her or if it's something she would normally do. There was no normal, she wanted out of normal. It's not a reliable way to gauge what the relationship to the man was, because she was intentionally acting outside of her comfort zone. She may have dated a different type or been promiscuous simply because it was out of character. I said out of character because I think it applies here, I didn't try to make it seem as if I was putting words in your mouth.

I wasn't being defensive, I just thought maybe you misunderstood what I was saying because again-I wouldn't say dating an Hispanic would be out of character for anyone. I just wanted to make sure that was clear! If she does have a history of being promiscous and bringing strangers home in the past, I would be more likely to think this was just a random guy. That was my main point but I see your point as well. Like I said anything is possible with this woman.

 

[Ives]

Even if dating a Hispanic would be out of character, I don't think that means anything. She was starting over, there was no "out of character" for her at that point.
I'm pretty sure that taking her grandfather's car, running almost a thousand miles, selling most of her possessions, committing a felony, causing the disappearance of her own child, confessing to murder, hopping a bus with basically no cash, and topping it all off with no attempt to right or even reconcile her actions was at least a little out of character...but we know she did it. MOO.

Good point, well, that may just throw my opinion out, LOL, thanks though. this gives me another way of looking at things. My brain hurts.:crazy:

 

[dnrslucky1]

I don't think she felt as if she were starting over until she finished what she set out to do. I think she was in a determined mind set. Her Grandfather said something about her saying she was going to take care of business.
Then on her facebook she said, If there's a will there's a way. Imo, I don't think she was dating, buying new clothes or getting her nails done in SA.

Imo, when she said on her facebook, I'm excited to start my new life, that is when she felt things were going smoothly and everything was taken care of.

I think her new life started the minute she boarded the bus for Florida!

 

[BeanE]

Between Dec. 21 and 27, Johnson stayed at two motels in San Antonio, the HomeGate Studios and Suites and the Quality Inn and Suites, according to authorities. While there, she was seen with a Hispanic man at both motels and riding in a smaller SUV, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

When Johnson left the Quality Inn and Suites, where she was last seen with the child, she left behind baby items including a portable baby bed and Gabriel’s hospital identification band from his birth.

After her arrest, Johnson told an FBI agent that she met an unknown couple at a park in San Antonio who wanted to adopt the baby on Dec. 25, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document. Johnson then told the FBI agent she gave Gabriel to the couple in the parking lot of the Quality Inn and Suites the next day and signed an adoption form, according to the court document.

FBI agents in Florida were able to locate Johnson at a youth hostel by tracing her through a computer she was using there and at a nearby library to message Tammi Smith’s MySpace page on Dec. 29 and Dec. 30. Police confiscated a new cell phone, a GPS tracking device and a knife from Johnson, according to the court document.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/150453

 

[Concernedmomarizona]

Between Dec. 21 and 27, Johnson stayed at two motels in San Antonio, the HomeGate Studios and Suites and the Quality Inn and Suites, according to authorities. While there, she was seen with a Hispanic man at both motels and riding in a smaller SUV, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document.

When Johnson left the Quality Inn and Suites, where she was last seen with the child, she left behind baby items including a portable baby bed and Gabriel’s hospital identification band from his birth.

After her arrest, Johnson told an FBI agent that she met an unknown couple at a park in San Antonio who wanted to adopt the baby on Dec. 25, according to a Maricopa County Superior Court document. Johnson then told the FBI agent she gave Gabriel to the couple in the parking lot of the Quality Inn and Suites the next day and signed an adoption form, according to the court document.

FBI agents in Florida were able to locate Johnson at a youth hostel by tracing her through a computer she was using there and at a nearby library to message Tammi Smith’s MySpace page on Dec. 29 and Dec. 30. Police confiscated a new cell phone, a GPS tracking device and a knife from Johnson, according to the court document.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/150453

Interesting new info. The hospital band really makes me curious. Does anyone have thoughts on why should would have brought that? The ONLY thing I can think of was to prove he was his maybe in lieu of the birth certificate with LMs name on it??? I know when I had my son, his little bands said "Baby Last Name"....since his last name is Johnson.....could that have worked as proof for someone?

BTW...has the family commented why Garbiel's last name is Johnson? I am sorry if this is something previously talked about. I know LM said his name is on the birth certificate.

Did Missing Gabe say if they would be able to confirm/deny if there was in fact the six flags video surveillance from the 26th??

Finally I wonder if the knife showed any blood on it? (I would doubt it, but I know trace amounts could have remained if it was used for anything bad).

 

[BeanE]

I'm still waiting to hear back after their meeting with LE today on the surveillance video.

Personally, I don't think it exists.

 

[PoppyH]

Interesting new info. The hospital band really makes me curious. Does anyone have thoughts on why should would have brought that? The ONLY thing I can think of was to prove he was his maybe in lieu of the birth certificate with LMs name on it??? I know when I had my son, his little bands said "Baby Last Name"....since his last name is Johnson.....could that have worked as proof for someone?

BTW...has the family commented why Garbiel's last name is Johnson? I am sorry if this is something previously talked about. I know LM said his name is on the birth certificate.

Did Missing Gabe say if they would be able to confirm/deny if there was in fact the six flags video surveillance from the 26th??

Finally I wonder if the knife showed any blood on it? (I would doubt it, but I know trace amounts could have remained if it was used for anything bad).

I was wondering about the baby ID band also, why would she bring that with, and just leave it?? Weird. Seems as if , save for a few pics on her camera she wanted to totally wipe Gabe from her life.

 

[BeanE]

The family has just given me permission to release this new information:

The Hispanic guy was seen in the hotel parking lot with Elizabeth and the couple.

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