The Package and the Defense Motion

[jjenny]

How do you know this?

I believe there are several options available for requiring a signature upon delivery by USPS.

Fine. I should have said most likely there would be no signature requirement if the package was send by USPS. I don't recall ever having to sign for anything delivered by USPS.

 

[Liz]

Snippet from Article dated July 28th:

Colorado prosecutors are fighting shooting suspect James Holmes' attorneys over a package the alleged mass murderer sent to the school psychiatrist he was seeing.

Some interesting videos there, also.

 

[February]

Fenton is also listed as a member of the faculty at the medical school's Schizophrenia Research Center and has received grants to study the effects of various drugs on schizophrenics.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-colorado-shooting-20120728,0,5891418.story

 

[21merc7]

I have a general question
if a person is mentally sick and committed a crime , will that person undergo any psychological or mental evaluation right away while in prison?

another question,
so if JH got a prescription of Vicodin, then he is allowed to take it still when they took him?

Inmate Medications at Arapahoe County Jail:
http://prisonhandbook.com/1103/arapahoe-county-jail/
If you are on any type of prescription medication, you will be allowed to continue taking it while in jail. When you are first processed, you will be asked what medication you take. You will then be referred to the jail nurse or doctor who will be in charge of monitoring your health and prescribing your medication.

He will have no choice but see Forensic Psychologists, for both sides, State and Prosecution. He murdered and injured a lot of people, he will see the psychologists. Cooperate with them-who knows. *Side note, if it is true he was asking why am I in here (which I am putting under gossip at the moment), it could be he has no understanding of jail systems, and simply does not know why he is in solitary confinement rather than gen pop where he could brag. He probably has no idea that in gen pop the odds of inmates harming him are high, especially since a child is gone, and who knows what inmate had relatives at the show.

When he was first arrested, he would be given no medication. Toxicology would have to be done. Any medication given could interfere with anything a person may have already taken. Usually there is a 72 hour watch period, given we don't know if he needs something like insulin.

The link you quoted is for those turning themselves in, or knowing they are getting jail time, and they need say - insulin, blood pressure meds or take any meds to keep from flipping out on a daily basis already.

 

[~n/t~]

Will the armchair psych profile thread be reopened at some point? I don't know where to post some of the articles.

History tells us that over 90 per cent of such killers are male and reasonably intelligent - which fits James Holmes to a T.

But after that there are some serious inconsistencies with the "normal" profile of a mass murderer. Much of what we have learnt about him so far just doesn't seem to add up.

For a start, most mass killers tend to do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs and often work in unskilled jobs, none of which apply to James Holmes.

None of the reports to date suggest he came from a markedly dysfunctional family. He was not, as far as we know, abandoned by his father and raised by a domineering mother.

His family don't seem to have any evidence of criminal, psychiatric or alcoholic histories.

Furthermore, to date, there is no suggestion that James was subjected to either psychological, physical or sexual abuse.

more at the link

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...s-murder-suspect/story-fndo3ewo-1226437079362

 

[rollinginit]

I found this

A law enforcement official who spoke only on the condition of anonymity did confirm to The Denver Post that a package containing a notebook was sent by Holmes to the university. That official did not know the contents.

BBM. So that shows that it wasn't just fox that confirmed or had a source with LE about a notebook. Denver Post also confirmed or had a source.


http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21156393?source=pop_section_news

 

[rollinginit]

Also, from the same link above....

In addition to Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, CBS News, NBC and CNN reported law enforcement sources had confirmed that the notebook contained drawings about a massacre and was sent to a CU psychiatrist

 

[~n/t~]

IIRC, there were 2 packages received at the school. One was reported as not from JH but they investigated it anyway. Were both packages received on the same day?

 

[rollinginit]

At this link, some more information on the doctor. It also shows her picture.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...sychiatrist-accused-colorado-massacre-gunman/

The source told FoxNews.com the package was mailed well before the attack took place, but had not been delivered to its intended recipient. The school issued a statement Wednesday evening confirming that a suspicious package was found, but said it was delivered Monday and found on the same day.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...cused-colorado-massacre-gunman/#ixzz2212CcZcG

 

[rollinginit]

Here's some more information on the doctor.
http://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn19/research/archived_research.asp

The Dept of Vetrans Affairs. Check out the name listed.

Suicide PreventionPI: Robert Freedman, Research DirectorVA Therapeutic Development Team: Robert Freedman MD, Sherry Leonard PhD, Karen E. Stevens PhD, Laura Martin PhD, Jason Tregellas PhD, Josette Harris PhD, and Lynn Fenton, MDDescription: There are two problems in the prevention of suicide: (1) detection of individuals who are at risk, and (2) treatment to prevent suicides. Most of the major risk factors for suicide in young people, the focus of the VISN19 MIRECC's mission, are known: male sex, exposure to firearms, history of violence, mental illness, cigarette smoking, and other substance abuse. Work by VISN19 MIRECC investigators found that traumatic brain injury and chronic pain are two additional risk factors. Note that many of the risk factors-exposure to firearms and violence, for example-are common problems of combat Veterans that we cannot reverse.Keywords: Suicide, Clozapine, SerotoninLocation: Denver

BBM

 

[songline]

Fine. I should have said most likely there would be no signature requirement if the package was send by USPS. I don't recall ever having to sign for anything delivered by USPS.

Exactly... so it may be hard to prove when the mail actualy did get there before or after the shooting.

 

[songline]

I have said this many times in different ways.

MI people are often bright and can be high functioning for a long time. There is no way a Dr. would have seen him as a danger unless he was a threat to himself or someone else.
MI people reach a point where they begin to unravel, if it is caught in time they can be medicated properly.
If it is not they may self medicate.

IMHO the doctors did not see it because MI people know something is wrong and they do hide it because they feel they are "Different". They hide better than anyone can, up to a point.

I hate to see the doctors get heat for this. Unless there will be proof that they needed to raise a red flag.
It can take years to actually get a diagnosis for some.

 

[songline]

July 12 allegation came from fox news anonymous source. University denied it. Prosecution says that media sources aren't accurate and perhaps even made up. I am not sure why anyone should believe the anonymous source. As for signature, if it was send usps, there is not going to be a signature requirement.

POST stamp will be accurate.
so if it is stamped the 12th and the shooting occurred on the 20th
And if the university claims that the package did not arrive till the 23rd,.
It did NOT take 11 days for the package to arrive.

It will all shake out soon.

 

[rollinginit]

I have said this many times in different ways.

MI people are often bright and can be high functioning for a long time. There is no way a Dr. would have seen him as a danger unless he was a threat to himself or someone else.
MI people reach a point where they begin to unravel, if it is caught in time they can be medicated properly.
If it is not they may self medicate.

IMHO the doctors did not see it because MI people know something is wrong and they do hide it because they feel they are "Different". They hide better than anyone can, up to a point.

I hate to see the doctors get heat for this. Unless there will be proof that they needed to raise a red flag.
It can take years to actually get a diagnosis for some.

I do agree with you all the way. I just think at this point, her whole career is going to be in question..atleast until more information comes out.

I posted the links but if the mods would rather...I can delete them (or they can) until more information comes out??????

 

[~n/t~]

Exactly... so it may be hard to prove when the mail actualy did get there before or after the shooting.

I wonder if they have a time stamp system in place at the University's mail room?

The company I work for does. Every envelope/package delivered by mail is stamped with date it was received.

 

[jjenny]

POST stamp will be accurate.
so if it is stamped the 12th and the shooting occurred on the 20th
And if the university claims that the package did not arrive till the 23rd,.
It did NOT take 11 days for the package to arrive.

It will all shake out soon.

I don't know that there is anything even remotely accurate about July 12 date. Or that there was anything on the package ever marked with July 12.

 

[songline]

I wonder if they have a time stamp system in place at the University's mail room?

The company I work for does. Every envelope/package delivered by mail is stamped with date it was received.

EVEN if they do not have one - IF that package has a postage stamp of July 12th and the school claims it got there on the 23rd.
We all know it does not take 11 days for any mail in the same state.
You can send something overseas in that amount of time.

So then the next question would be was the package not opened because the recipient was on vacation, day off or just lazy.
the last one (just lazy) can present a problem.

 

[songline]

I don't know that there is anything even remotely accurate about July 12 date. Or that there was anything on the package ever marked with July 12.

BBM: EVERY PACKAGE has a postage stamp. IF it was sent through the postal service. So there was a mark for sure.

If he hand delivered it, then NOT.
We have been reading that it was sent through the postal service.

 

[jjenny]

BBM: EVERY PACKAGE has a postage stamp. IF it was sent through the postal service. So there was a mark for sure.

If he hand delivered it, then NOT.
We have been reading that it was sent through the postal service.

But we don't know what that mark is.

 

[QueenD]

BBM: EVERY PACKAGE has a postage stamp. IF it was sent through the postal service. So there was a mark for sure.

If he hand delivered it, then NOT.
We have been reading that it was sent through the postal service.

Also if he purchased the metered stamp it tells everything, where the stamp was bought, what time, and day. It will even tell who sold it to him


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