the question phase continues: Arias on the stand for the 18th day #84

[Chelly]

IMO she had the gun and knife duct taped under the bathroom sink.

Yeah, I keep thinking and wondering about where they were. Another possibility could be her overnight case?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yes, JVM is still on at 7:00 EST.

There will be a new show on HLN beginning at 10:00 tonight. It's called After Dark and will feature VP, JVM, NG, and Dr. Drew discussing the case in detail.

They should have called it 'The Sidebar'

 

[jevipo74]

Yes, JVM is still on at 7:00 EST.

There will be a new show on HLN beginning at 10:00 tonight. It's called After Dark and will feature VP, JVM, NG, and Dr. Drew discussing the case in detail.

I was interested until I saw JVM. Her shrieking puts me off.

 

[moonbird]

To get the Youtube screen to appear copy and paste the URL of the video you want then paste it using the little globe with the chain link on the WS message task bar.

yeah, that's exactly what i have been doing.. no worries. it's not that important. thank you for your response, though.

 

[KMouse]

IMO she had the gun and knife duct taped under the bathroom sink.

or the gun taped to her ankle or something as Travis was stabbed first. Whatever she did, all her murder weapons were handy.

 

[katiedid2]

She's trying to guilt the jury into giving her the death penalty

 

[nursebeeme]

Is that like second degree or does premed need to be proven beyond doubt for felony murder too?

the lawyers answered this in the legal thread (it is up in the stickies section)

but short answer: no it is not like second degree. This is not a second degree case.

 

[leebee52]

They should have called it 'The Sidebar'

That would be a great name for a real bar.

 

[Litigatrix]

That worries me. It makes a hung jury more likely. At the very least, it's second degree murder based on her story and his wounds. If there were any doubts about murder one, they would likely compromise for murder two. Now it's murder one, hung jury or acquittal. Juan should have gave the option for second degree murder.

Wow, I wasn't aware of this and it worries me too if the jury gets hung up on pre-meditation. FM requires her to have committed the murder during the commission of a felony. Isn't the felony in this case the murder?

 

[LotusPawprint]

bbm

let's see...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNXHQMImN_A&feature=youtu.be&t=37m59s


eta .... didn't work

When I do this it just posts the link and not the video itself. At least when I "preview" it that is what it does.

Hmm... When you click "Insert Link" does a pop up window come up? That's where it should prompt you to paste the URL of the video. You wouldn't be pasting the url of the video here where we write normal posts.

 

[indycornstalk]

Here we go AGAIN with Court NOT BEING ON TIME!!! This is just ridiculous and totally unacceptable. The taxpayers of Arizona need to be throwing a stroke about this incessant delay in this trial. The amount of money that is being squandered in the Judges constant delay of this court. There is NO excuse for this. NONE. Justice should NOT be disrespected like this and NOR should Travis Alexanders Family.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

That worries me. It makes a hung jury more likely. At the very least, it's second degree murder based on her story and his wounds. If there were any doubts about murder one, they would likely compromise for murder two. Now it's murder one, hung jury or acquittal. Juan should have gave the option for second degree murder.

BBM, her story can't be believed

 

[jevipo74]

I wonder if JM will be able to get Jodi's DV expert to agree, I'm have a feeling he will .. looking forward to her sounding more like a pro-prosecution witness than a defence witness once JM is finished with her.

Like all the other defense witnesses.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

:bud:
GET ON WITH THE TRIAL! JURORS NEED TO RETURN TO WORK TO MAKE THEIR HOUSE/RENT/CAR PAYMENTS!

Correct.

The jurors are not moochers like Arias.

 

[ingra1327]

M: One of the things you did for the jurors was describe the shooting. Do you remember asking a question
for the juror's involving that?
A: Yes
M: And What you actually said was that it actually started when you were taking photographs
of Mr. Alexander in the shower, correct?
A: The shooting no, the whole incident that precipitated it, yes
M: Yes, it did start with you taking photographs in the shower correct?
A: Yes
M: And you were taking photographs of him in the shower and according to you you sort of fumbled the
camera and you took a photograph of his rear, or posterior, correct?
A: I don't remember the order the photographs were taken in.
M: Pardon
A: I don't know the order that the photos were taken in.
M: Well, do you remember telling us that exhibit number 160, this photograph here, take a look at it, which
is the last of the sequence at 5:30:30, do you remember telling us that that was a photograph
that you took when the camera was being fumbled, do you remember telling us, not us, telling me, that in cross examination?
A: No, I don't, I remember saying that it was inadvertant.
M: Oh, so this in an inadvertant photograph then?
A: Yes that was not intentionally taken
M: It was not intentionally taken right
A: That's correct
M: And this was when you were fumbling the camera, correct?
A: I don't know if that was taken when I was fumbling it or not
M: So, but you took this photograph but it was inadvertant in the sense that you didn't mean to press the button to capture this image
A: Correct
M: And after that, ma'am, he continued to be in the shower because the camera did actually fall to the floor, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: Um, I don't know when that photo was taken, it was just taken in the sequence of the events.
M: Well you do remember that You told us that this was an inadvertant photograph, right?
A: Yes
M: And then if we take a look at the next one of that was seized that you deleted which is exhibit 161
N: Objection, beyond the scope of the questions
J: Approach
M: This is another inadvertant photograph, correct
A: Correct
M: And that's at 5:31:14, correct?
A: yes
M: And so if the math is correct the difference between the one where he's seated and this one is 44 seconds, right
A: I didn't see the time on the other one
M: Let's go ahead and take a look at it then. It's 5:30:30, correct?
A: correct
M: so it's 44 seconds difference, correct?
A: Um, What was the other time? Sorry
M: Sure, 5:31:14 and 5:30:30
A: Ok, Yes
M: It is 44 seconds, correct?
A: Yes
M: and this exhibit, 161 is when the camera, according to you, actually hit the ground, right?
A: I don't know if it was hitting the ground as that photo was taken or not
M: So, you don't know how that photograph was taken, right?
A: It could have been when I was trying to catch it, I don't know
M: At some point, the camera hits the ground, right
A: Yes,
M: that's what you told the jury, right?
A: It hits the mat, yes, and rolls to the tile
M: Ma'am, yes or no, didn't you tell the jury that the camera hit the ground near the shower?
A: No
M: Yes or no
A: No, I said it landed on the mat
M: is that near the shower?
A: yes
M: is the mat on the floor near the shower?
A: Yes
M: And the camera hitting the mat, would that be near the shower?
A: Yes
M: so you did tell us then that the camera went down, hit the mat, or went down near the shower didn't it?
A: Yes
M: and then it rolled, right?
A: Yes
M: You just can't tell us if this was the photograph taken then, right?
A: I don't know exactly
N: Objection asked and answered
J: Sustained
M: And, You then said that Mr. Alexander became very upset, right?
A: Yes
M: And that that's what started this whole thing out, because he sort of stepped out of the
shower and then came after you, right?
A: He picked me up
M: That's coming after you, isn't it?
A: I guess, I think, when I think of coming after I think of chasing, but he was already right next to me
M: So, he didn't come after you, then. Alright, so at that point you weren't afraid because he wasn't coming after you, right?
A: I was afraid because he picked me up and bodyslammed me
M: Ma'am were you not afraid because he wasn't coming after you, you said he wasn't coming after you, right?
N: Objection...double negative, compound question
J: Overruled
A: Um, He wasn't chasing me yet, we were right next to each other.
M: So he wasn't coming after you, correct? That's what you just said, right?
A: I don't really know what you mean by coming after
M: Ma'am I asked you the question, do you remember me asking you the question and you
saying no he wasn't coming after me at that time, do you remember that you just said that
not more than a minute or so ago?
A: No, a moment ago I said I think of coming after as chasing
M: So he's in the shower and he's making movements toward you, would that be fair?
A: Yes
M: And those movements culminated, continued when he grabbed you and put you down on the ground, right?
A: Yes
M: And as a result of that you said that you bumped your head, or hit your head, right?
A: Yes
M: And that maybe it knocked the wind out of you right?
A: Yes
M: And that you were in fear at that point, right
A: Yes, very much
M: And that you were able to fight him off so that you could get away, right?
A: Um, I rolled
M: So you rolled so that you were able to get away, correct
A: yes
M: He wasn't for whatever reason, wasn't strong enough or have a good enough hold on you so you could get away, right?
A: He let me go when he body slammed me
M: So then you went down on the ground and he's standing over you, right, next to your shins, right?
A: Somewhere in that area, yes
M: And then you roll away and you begin to run down the hallway, right?
A: Yes
M: One of the things you also indicated with regard to one of the juror questions was that it was possible that the camera
was picked up Mr. Alexander and was deposited, placed at the end of the hallway, do you remember answering that?
A: Yes, I remember saying it was possible
M: You did say that, yes or no
A: Yes
M: And if that's true then, if that's what you really believe then that would mean that after he body slammed you
and you took off, he started looking at the camera, right?
A: If that was what I believed, but I didn't say that's what I believed.
M: But you said it was possible before, didn't you?
A: Because somebody asked if it was possible
M: You did say it, yes or no?
A: Yes
M: And So if it's possible, you said it, if it's possible that he picked up the camera, that would require him to bend down,
because he was on the ground, right?
A: Yes
M: Pick it up, right?
A: Yes
M: look at it or do whatever he was gonna do with it, right?
A: I don't know what he'd do if he picked it up
M: Right, but we talked about the possibility and you agreed that it was possible, right?
A: Certainly possile
M: If he's doing that and he's looking at the camera and you're down the hallway, he's not very close to you, is he?
A: Um, not If that's even what happened, but I don't know, I don't know how to answer that
N: Objection
J: Overruled
M: Right
A: I don't know
M: Well, no, no, you said that it was possible, do you remember saying it was possible
A: Yes
M: And if that's possible then you're down the hallway and he's and it's also possible he was not very close to you then, right?
If we're using the word possible, right?
A: Either scenario is possible he could be close or not
M: Oh so he was so close that you could turn around and see him even though he turned to look at the camera
A: I don't know, I guess I could have turned around, but I wasn't thinking of turning around, I was thinking of getting away.
M: You didn't turn around, right?
A: Not when I was running down the hall
M: Right, you didn't see him, did you?
N: No
M: And the fact that he may have turned to go to the camera adds time to this sequence of events, doesn't it?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: I don't know that he did that so I don't know how to answer that
M: I understand that you don't know that he did that, but you said it was possible, do you remember saying that's possible
in response to one of the questions?
N: Objection, asked and answered
J: Sustained
M: Well, if it's possible that he did that, that indicates there is a measure of time involved for Mr. Alexander to look down there, right?
N: Objection, argumnetative
J: Overruled
A: um, I guess
M: When you say you guess that means, what, what does that mean?
A: It means all possibilities are a guess cuz I didn't look back so I don't know what was going on.
M: And if he then took it and placed it down at the end of the hallway, one of the things that you didn't tell us was that
you heard a bump or anything like that, you didn't hear anything dropping did you?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: After the camera dropped, I don't recall hearing another drop
M: Right, so if he would have dropped it at the end of the hallway you can't sit here and tell us you heard anything, right?
A: That's right, after that
M: Then you went into the closet, right?
A: Correct
M: According to you, that's where you obtained the gun, right?
A: yes
M: You went up, and you went up on the shelving and you got the gun, right?
A: Yes
M: And you went out the door and into the bathroom again, right?
A: Yes
M: When you went into the bathroom you were able to turn around, if you will, and now you have the
gun in your hands, right? That's what you told us, right?
A: Yes
M: And that's when he was coming at you in this linebacker pose,right?
A: Around that time, yes
M: And that's when you shot him in the face, right?
A: Yeah, that's when the gun went off
M: No, You keep saying the gun went off, the gun was in your hand, right?
A: Yes
M: In hands, actually, the way you demonstrated was in both hands, right?
A: Right
M: ANd you were pointing it at him, right?
A: Yes, I did point it at him
M: And there was a metal thing, or a bullet that came out of it and it shot, hit him in the head, right?
A: Yes
M: So, then according to you, he fell on top of you, right?
A: It was kind of on top, but maybe more to the right, I don't know, it wasn't directly on top of me, I was trying to prevent
him from getting on top of me.
M: And he did get on top of you at that point and you were in fear for your life, right?
A: Absolutely
M: And he was, according to you, he was saying things to you, right?
A: Yes
M: And one of the other things you told us in response to a juror question is that When you are stressed out and people are yelling at you,
you're like a computer that freezes, right?
A: Typically, yes
M: And this computer that freezes, you said I can't, people may be talking, but I can't remember or know what they're saying, correct?
A: that's correct
M: And so in this case that's what happened, you, according to you, you were in fear for your life, weren't you?
A: Yes I was
M: That would mean that things were going on in your head and you were stressed outin your head, right?
A: It was a very high stressful situation
M: so the answer's yes, right?
A: Yes, I'd say that.
M: However at this particular point when you're down there, and you're trying to get away and you're in that stressful situation
for whatever reason, this is one of the times that your computer doesn't freeze up, right?
A: Well, I don't remember everything he was screaming, I only remember pieces
M: Yes or no
A: I don't know that it was completely frozen, I remember a few phrases.
M: Well, you used that analogy when you were answering questions for the jurors didn't you?
A: Yes
M: You said that your computer froze you don't remember what people say, right?
A: Yes, that's the best analogy I can think of
M: Right, and that's what you said, right?
A: Correct
M: And so in this particular case, though, even though your computer is frozen you do remember what he said, right?
A: Um, not everything, just a few phrases.
M: Sure, the real operative phrase is "fu**ing kill you *****"
A: Absolutely
M: Your computer may have frozen as to everything else, that's the one thing you do remember
A: I recall that specifically
M: And then you got up and then the fog started to come in, right?
A: I'd say the fog started coming in after the gunshot after he got up, then he threatened my life I have no clear memories after that
M: And that's when the memory issues started, correct, right?
A: I'd say that
M: Actually, ma'am, it's impossible for the killing to have happened in that manner, isn't it?
N: Objection, argumentative
A: No
J: Overruled
M: Isn't it
A: No, it's not impossible
M: Well, ma'am, we know there is some action going on at 5:31:14, something's going on, right?
A: Yes
M: We also know exhibit 162 is 5:32:16 is a minute and 2 seconds later, correct?
A: Correct
M: You didn't have the camera with you when you shot him, right
A: I did not
M: So this needed to have happened before you shot him, right?
A: That's correct
M: So we're talking about a minute and 2 seconds between this and this right here, exhibit 162, right?
a: Yes
M: Ma'am, do you remember on cross examination that I asked you about the knife the knife that you said had been used to cut the rope
do you remember me asking you about that on cross examination?
A: Yes
M: And do you remember that you told me, well it was used initially to cut the rope, you told us that, right?
A: Yes
M: And then after it was on your wrist, it was used to cut the rope off your wrist, do you remember telling us that?
A: No, I remember you saying that
M: Pardon
A: I remember you saying that, but that's not what I said
M: YOu're saying that the last time you saw the knife was when it was used to cut the rope, right?
A: COrrect
M: And do you remember during that same cross examination I asked you well, did the knife go in the bedroom and you said I don't know, do you remember telling me that?
A: Yes
M: I asked you if it went into the closet and you said you didn't know, right
A: that's right
M: You said you didn't know where that knife had gone, right
A: I said that I didn't remember where it ended up
M: Right, Which means you don't know where it was, right, after the first time you
don't know where it was, right,that's what you said
A: Yeah, I can't remember where it was placed after we cut the rope
M: Right, which is the point, you don't remember where the knife was after it was used to cut the rope, right?
A: Yes
M: If that's the case that you don't remember where the knife was after the shooting as your standing there and
the fog or your memory comes in or your memory starts to create a problem when you're doing them,
the fog doesn't help you remember things, it's not a good thing for your memory is it
A: Well the way you described it isn't accurate
M: Well, I'm asking you whether or not this fog that you described for us, whether or not this fog enhances your ability or improves your ability to remember, yes or no?
A: I don't understand how memory works in the brain I just know
M: I'm not asking you to talk to me about the physiology of the brain, I'm asking about you and I'm asking you to tell me
whether or not this fog that you've been telling us about increases your ability to remember, even though your going into this fog
A: I would not say that it increases, but I don't know, I don't remember
M: How about this lack of memory, does this lack of memory increase your ability to remember things you didn't remember before
A: I don't know
M: You don't know, you are the one where you have been telling us about these instances where Mr.
Alexander would come at you, according to you, and abuse you and that would create memory issues for you, do you
remember telling us that.

A: On some instances it did happen
M: Sure, you're the only one that knows about this memory stuff, right, because according to you, it happened to you, right
A: I don't think I'm the only one that knows
M: I'm not asking I'm asking if you're the only one that knows, I'm asking you whether or not you are the one that has the best knowledge of what happens
to you when this fog rolls in.
N: Objection calls for specuation
J: Overruled you may answer
A: I don't really have an understanding of what happens I just know I can only describe it the best that I can
M: And in describing it, ma'am, to use your words when the fog rolls in it does not improve your memory, does it?
A: I don't know, I wouldn't say it does
M: Well, in this case, ma'am, you've now shot him. You've told us that the fog is rolling in and you have no memory, you
still don't know where the knife if, do you?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: I don't remember a lot from that period, it could be
M: Right, but you told us before that period even that you didn't know where the knife was, do you remember just telling me that.
A: Today as I sit here, I don't remember where the knife was on June 4th, I might have remembered where it was
M: Ma'am do you remember on cross examination that I asked you if you knew where the knife was on June 4th and you said no
I don't remember where the knife was because I didn't pay attention to what he was doing with it. Do you remember telling us that?
A: I didn't use those words, I just said that he cut the rope and I don't remember where he put it when he was done cutting it
M: Those aren't the exact words, but that was the understanding that you remembered about him cutting the knife but you didn't
remember where he put the knife back then, that's what you told us on cross examination do you remember that, because the prosecutor
was trying to ascertain from you where the knife has gone, right?
A: That was two questions
M: Which one do you want to answer, answer them both.
A: I'll answer the first one. I don't remember saying that, I remember speculating that it could have gone to the night stand
or it could have been left in the bathroom. I don't recall talking about the closet which you brought up a few minutes ago and
then if that's, I don't remember the second question.
M: So, if you don't know where it was, it could have been in the closet, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
A: I don't know
J: Ms. Arias When there is an objection, don't answer the question until I rule on the objection.
A: I'm sorry, okay
J: Your objection is?
N: Argumentative
J: Overruled, you may answer now
A: I don't know
M: And so as you shot Mr. Alexander, you by necessity, then had to go look for the knife, don't you?
A: I don't know the answer to that
M: Well you didn't have the knife in your hand when you shot him, did you?
N: Objection
J: Sustained
M: Did you have the knife in your hand when you shot him?
N: Objection, same question
J: Overruled
A: No, I did not
M: So that means if you didn't have the knife in your hand, you needed to go get it from somewhere, right?
A: I guess
M: No, no, no there's no guessing here now, uh uh, if you didn't have it in your hand and you just shot him and you're
rolled away, right
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Sustained
M: You got up, you were able to get away, right, that's what you told us, right?
A: That's right
M: You needed to go get that knife at that point
A; No, it's possible Travis grabbed the knife first
M: Okay, but you told us that the knife wasn't there, do you remember telling us that just now
N: Mischaracterizes her testimony
J: Overruled
A: No, I remember testifying that it wasn't in my hand when the gun went off
M: Oh so as Mr. Alexander is coming toward you, he now has the knife in his hand, that's what you're telling us
A: No, I didn't say that either.
M: Okay, so as Mr. Alexander is getting blasted at going down, he's got the knife in his hand, right
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: That was all in the same moment when he was lunging at me
M: He doesn't have the knife in his hand, does he?
A: Not in that particular moment, no
M: Ma'am, I'm asking you at that particular time, he doesn't have the knife in his hand, right?
A: I just said no
M: And he goes down sort of next to you, right?
A: we both go tumbling
M: Sure you both go down. You never told us that he had any knife then, did you?
A: I wasn't asked
M: Oh, I see, So what you're saying is that now he has the knife with him, now that's what you're saying, he's got the knife.
A: I didn't say that either
M: Which one is it ma'am, does he have the knife or he doesn't have the knife
N: Objection,argumentative asked and answered about three times now.
J: Sustained
M: You do then agree that if you didn't know where the knife was and Mr. Alexander didn't have it,
it would take time for you to go find that knife, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: i don't know, I don't know where the knife was
M: Right, since you didn't know where the knife was, it would take time to go find it, irrespective of where it was, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: Can you repeat your question?
M: Janelle, could you
CR: You do then agree if you didn't know where the knife was, if Mr. Alexander didn't have it, would it take time for you to go find that knife, wouldn't it?
A: I don't know the answer to that
M: You don't think that a movement, such as a step takes time
N: Objection
J: sustained
M: Ma'am, if the knife, even if the knife was there, your grabbing it took time didn't it.
N: Objection, argumentative same question
J: Overruled
A: I guess in theory I don't remember grabbing it
M: Alright, in theory. And if the knife for example, since you can't tell us where it was, but if the knife was in the bedroom
which some of the action was going on there, that would have taken more time then if it was, for example, in the closet, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: OVerruled
A: Um, not necessarily, I don't remember it being in the closet and it would depend on the point if it were ever in the closet
M: I'm not asking you that question, my question is more about time. Isn't it true that if the knife was in the bedroom or the closet
as opposed to the bathroom, that would take more time to go and get it, right?
A: At that point, I guess cuz we were in the bathroom when we fell
M: Right and if you didn't know where it was, assuming you didn't know where it was back then, it would have taken time to
actually look for it, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: I guess under that theory?
M: Sure under that theory, it would take time right?
A: I guess
M: Again you keep saying I guess like you don't know about time. You owned a watch, right. Or at some point in your life you've owned
watches, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Sustained
M: You know about time, ma'am, you know that movement takes time, don't you?
N: Objection
J: sustained
M: In this case, what we have to deal with, as we did the mathmatics, 62 seconds and what you're telling us in your scenario
in 62 seconds you get body slammed, you do whatever you do but you get away, you run down the hallway, you go into the closet, you
grab a gun, you back up, you shoot Mr. Alexander, after you shoot Mr. Alexander, to pick up the camera because you said it's only a
possibility and he's already down the hallway with his throat slit, right, that's what you're telling us
N: Objection, it's argumentative and lack of foundation
M: Overruled, you may answer
A: I didn't say that was the only possibility with the camera, so that wasn't correct the way you asked it, I don't know that his
throat is slit in that picture either
M: I'm not asking you about the possibility, I'm asking you if you're telling us that within 62 seconds, you dropped the camera because
that's what precipitates these things and we have this right here where there is some action which is exhibit 161, in the 62 seconds between that
photograph and exhibit 162, you are body slammed, you get away, you go down the hallway, you go in the closet, you get the gun, you go into the bathroom
again, you then turn around, you point the gun, you shoot him, you go down, he's still pawing you and says ****in' kill you ***** you're able to get
away, you go get the knife and he ends up at the end of the hallway, is that what you're telling us
A: He didn't say fu**ing kill you ***** before I broke away, but he said it as I broke away.
M: So he did say it though, didn't he.
A: He did say that
M: And he said it after you shot him, right?
A: Yes, that occurred afterward
M: And after he was grabbing it right
A: Yes
M: After you were able to get away
A: As I was breaking away
M: And then you had to go get the knife for everything to occur so that we've got here.
A: I don't know all the particulars that are going on in that pictures, so I can't say if it's true or not
M: You're denying that's your foot here?
A: No, I'm not denying anything about the photo, I just don't know details of the photo
M: You do know the time
A: Yes
M: and you understand, You do know for example this is blood and blood doesn't happen unless you get cut, right?
N: Objection
J: Sustained
M: And ma'am another thing is there's another reason why your scenario is impossible
N: Objection, argumentative
J; Sustained
M: Well, ma'am let's talk about this issue of him getting shot, You describe for us, pawing at you, and then you're able to sort of
stand up, he says ****ing kill you *****, then the fog goes
A: Then I have no memory, the fog was already there
M: When did the fog set in then, if it didn't set in there
A: I don't remember the exact time
M: I'm not asking for time, just sequence of events
A: Well, definitly after the gun went off, my memory, I don't know it starts to get more confusing at that time
M: And at the time that your mind starts fogging up when the gun went off you haven't seen the knife, right?
A: I saw it earlier
M: Sure you did, but not as part of this attack, right?
A: That's correct
M: So we've talked about it, you do have to get the knife in your hand for there to be injuries like 180, right?
N: Objection
J: Approach
M: You indicated in response to a juror's questions that the shooting happened and he went down, right?
A: Yes
M: And that you were able to roll away, correct, or get up
A: Yes
M: And as you stood up, and as you're getting up is when he threatened you, right?
A: Yes, that's when he verbally threatened me
M: At no time in response to that question did you ever indicate that Mr. Alexander's hands were in contact with any knife, did you
A: No, I did not
M: And given the time constraints here and the fact that you didn't know where the knife was, it would have been impossible
for you to not have the knife with you when the attack happened, right?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: I don't understand that question, sorry
M: It would have been impossible to, in response to a juror question you gave a scenario, that scenario would be impossible to
happen unless you had the knife immediately with you, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: Well, since that's not how it happened, it's definitely not impossible
M: So you did have the knife with you?
A: Um, I didn't have the knife at the time that we fell and at the time that he threatened my life
M: At the time that you shot him, did you or did you not have the knife with you
A: I did not
M: And you obtained it at some other point that you can't tell us, right?
A: It would appear that way, yes
M: You say it would appear that way, Let's be clear, there wasn't anybody else there, right?
A: That's correct
M: You and he were the only ones there, right
A: Yes
M: And again in response to the juror question of everything happening near the door to the closest, ma'am, one of the things
that you said is that he stayed down when you got up, right?
N: Objection, mischaracterizes testimony
J: Overruled
A: I don't know, because I don't remember a lot after that
M: You did say you remember the famous threat, or not the famous threat, but the threat, right?
A: Yes
M: You were standing at that time, right?
A: No, I was on the ground next to him and breaking away, I don't know if I was getting up or what it was very fast,
contemporaneous with that.
M: And you did stand up at some point, you remember telling us that, right?
A: I believe I did
M: And when you stood up he was still on the ground
A: I don't recall looking back
M: Pardon
A: I don't recall looking back
M: So even though he's still a threat to you, according to you and he's just threatned your life, you turn your back on the threat
A: Yeah, I'm trying to get away
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: Yeah, I'm trying to get away from him
M: Okay, you're trying to get away and at the time you're trying to get away which you now seem to remember, you don't
have the knife, right?
A: Up to that point I
M: Yes, or no, do you have the knife at that point.
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: right at that point where my memory begins to end, I didn't have the knife at any point that I remember, so the answer would have to be no
M: So the answer is no, right
A: Yes
M: And again according to you, if he's already down and is not going to be able to get up, that means that you had to come back to him
A: I didn't explain that to the jurors
M: Ma'am that means you have to come back to him with the knife, don't you
N: Objection, mischaracterizes the testimony, argumentative
J: Approach

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Like all the other defense witnesses.

Yes! Including the accused!

 

[Shelby1]

:waiting:

 

[websurfer]

OMG ... JVM on HLN with Vinnie now ... she has her own show still, right ? I mean really ...

:seeya:

The network is hacking up and spitting out any kind of shows and or programming with court tv and real trials.
Soon they will phase out the remaining 2 hours of IN SESSION..
and then who knows?
maybe WEBSLEUTH'S will have to have their own true trials coverage on You Tube?
:waitasec:

 

[Elley Mae]

285 guests,:waiting:

 

[beeshie]

How about an option for 2nd degree murder?

They can still decide on 2nd degree right? It's not 1st degree or nothing, I hope.