The Ramseys are Cleared

Now proved to be just another high-profile case where totally innocent people were held to be falsely accused based on their behavior while under immense stress.

Hopefully you're not serious.
But just in case, they absolutely were NOT falsely accused. They did it and there are pages and pages of facts to back that claim up. (No wudge, I will not show you where to look. )
There was no sign of entry-- forced or other wise. The last people to see JBR were her parents.
99% of children under the age of 14 that are found dead in their home were killed by a parent.
That's a fact Jack.
The fibers found on the dead JBR were from her parents clothes.
Ya think a stranger would leave the body?? No way but mommy and daddy did.
 
SuperDave, did anyone question why they only found THREE matches?

How can there not be the same matching touch dna found on the rope, tape, the shirt, etc????

Well, the way I read one report was that only sections of the longjohns were tested, not the whole thing.

And yes, I say show me the money: there has GOT to be other DNA on some of those items.

I caught Mike Kane on Dan Abrams. He's not too enthused by this news. He said that it's only Mary Lacy's opinion, and that the next person might say something else.

Like I said: keep an open mind. But I'm a "believe it when I see it" kind of guy.
 
Children often eat in their own homes. DNA in 3 places on the dead victim trumps food eaten by a child in their own home.

I had a stalker for 12 years who came into my home whenever he pleased and left notes inside my closets and drawers after stealing whatever he wanted. It was a cop. It happens. Criminals do whatever they want whenever they want. Don't rule out the possibility that the killer may have led the little girl down to eat pineapple.

Don't rule out he brought pineapple with him. Nutty people do nutty things. Anyone bold enough to commit this crime or my cop/stalker for 12 yrs no less has easy access to anyone at will in the community. You know, like BTK did for decades undetected.

10's of thousands of people in the US process data from your medical records, bank records, places of employment, loans, applications and what sweatshirt you bought on sale in the year 2000 at wal mart. Cops and utility company workers have access to your personal information. Bank employees. Vehicle registration forms, auto dealers. Many people you would never think of know everything about your life, your identity, your bank acct. numbers, when you had your last medical exam and the results of it. It is ALL data processing. People order new checks for regularly, but never give a thought to who has access to that intimate details of their lives. They believe it's somehow secret. It's not. a lot of people have access to those things. Some take documents home with them even though they're not supposed to. Some take stacks of info and pitch it into dumpsters so they won't have to do the work required to process it. There for any bum on the street to have. Phone company workers, the man at the hardware store who made your new keys. It's all computerized and logged in. All he has to do is make as many duplicates as he wants.

When I had my stalker we wracked our brains trying to think who could have such free access to our lives. Calling us up periodically catching us off guard. Telling us everything about our lives and what he was going to do with it. He knew everything about us while we knew nothing about him.

If you don't think that can happen, thank your lucky stars. It happens to many people. It happened to me. We hear of ID theft regularly, yet you refuse to accept the reality that it's possible someone could have gained access to these people's finances and written that note.

You seem to be conveniently leaving out life and what possibilities exist to plague anyone anytime anywhere.

Nothing better can befall a man than to be born lucky - Mark Twain

Wow! That's scary!


It's all the ODD circumstances of a kidnapping/SO that don't add up PLUS the parent's own actions that cause so many people to doubt the Ramseys. They were their own worst enemies & that's why I have no real sympathy for them being accused.

Yes, anything is possible but if we weigh things logically, it points to the Ramseys.
 
It is also possible that the perp was wearing gloves and the skin cells were transferred to the clothing by him accidentally brushing his arms across them, not from his fingers/hands at all. Putting clothing on and *only* touching it with your hands is very difficult, and with the inert body of a child was probably impossible. The blanket, I'm not sure. If she wasn't wrapped tightly in it it may have been possible for him to manage without touching it with anything but gloved hands. It is also possible that there is evidence on these items and they just haven't detected it yet.


And yet this same perp squeezed through a basement window and didn't leave ONE fiber from their clothing - let alone ONE skin cell or hair?
 
J. RAMSEY: Well, I had actually seen some pictures of him. They had taken some surveillance pictures and sent them to me before he was arrested and said do you recognize him?

And I said no, I don't. In fact, he, you know, if this is a guy, he's a pretty clean cut looking guy.



Karr was never falsely accused of anything. He was sharing his fantasies about molesting and killing children with his & John Ramsey's mutual friend Michael Tracey.

And as you say, John Ramsey identified with him.

So you think because he said "he's a pretty clean cut looking guy" that's being KIND???? I think it's just an observation. Nothing more.

You are right wasn't falsely accused but maybe John didn't want to point the finger so quickly because he didn't want to get his hopes up? Hell, I have NO idea what John was thinking. I was just trying to make a point that I don't think he was exactly KIND. That's all.
 
From a bowl containing Patsy and Burke's fingerprints! Yet denied to the death.....

Imagine people's own fingerprints being on their dishes in their homes.

Wouldn't we all be on death row with that so-called evidence?

Who washed the dishes? Ever been in a restaurant with lipstick on the rim of a glass or cup? Maybe their auto dishwasher wasn't working up to par. I just replaced one like that.

Nobody planted that DNA by the unknown killer in 3 dif places in dif mediums on the dead child's body to be discovered by obscure as-yet-unknown-technology-years-into-the-future to cover for the family.
 
I might be behaving a little bullheaded tonight, but until someone presents a logical reason as to why my theory of how the unknown male DNA could logically have been transferred from the paintbrush handle when it was broken by, (I think PR), the most probable killer, into two pieces and then onto the sides of JBR's longjohns I will not believe that this new DNA is anything but a red herring. Holding the paintbrush in two hands to break it would so obviously transferred already present unknown male dna from the handle onto the gloves of the killer, (who I have already named as my suspect).

It is so obvious to me that the already present unknown male dna from the paintbrush handle would have also intermingled with JBR's blood when the end of the paintbrush injured JBR inside. The paintbrush insertion obviously caused her to bleed onto her panties. What better source of intermingled JBR's blood/unknown male DNA than from an already present male DNA source on the paintbrush handle???

Who knows who taught PR in her painting classes or worked side-by-side with her in her classes???? Anyone???

(and just for the record, I don't buy the 'fingerprint on the longjohn's bit for even one second... Please... Trace DNA from grabbing the longjohns and pulling them down, but not DNA from fingerprints lifted from longjohns... I think not..)

Doesn't anyone see this as a probability, besides me??? (I feel so lonely out on this limb all by myself right now!) :confused:
 
Now that the Ramsey's have been declared innocent, I assume this means they can no longer be bashed here anymore. Or is there a different site standard that permits victims (such as the parents) in Jon Benet's case to be bashed versus all other cases where victim bashing is not permitted?


I'm guessing that as long as Tricia owns this place, she'll allow us to scream the truth about the murder....and the murderers.
 
So you think because he said "he's a pretty clean cut looking guy" that's being KIND???? I think it's just an observation. Nothing more.

You are right wasn't falsely accused but maybe John didn't want to point the finger so quickly because he didn't want to get his hopes up? Hell, I have NO idea what John was thinking. I was just trying to make a point that I don't think he was exactly KIND. That's all.


Hi Mushy

So....the DNA from a tiny speck in her underpants is good enough to clear Karr. He's excluded.

Yet, DNA matching that in the underwear is found on more clothing in two places is not enough to clear the Ramseys?
 
Look, I'm not saying that everybody here can't take this one way or another. I'm just urging caution.

So....the DNA from a tiny speck in her underpants is good enough to clear Karr. He's excluded.

Yet, DNA matching that in the underwear is found on more clothing in two places is not enough to clear the Ramseys?

'Fraid it's not quite that simple. karr was cleared because his story didn't match up at all, including how it should have been his DNA, but wasn't.
 
Hi Mushy

So....the DNA from a tiny speck in her underpants is good enough to clear Karr. He's excluded.

Yet, DNA matching that in the underwear is found on more clothing in two places is not enough to clear the Ramseys?

OH!!!! You are right! I didn't even think of that. Yes everyone was screaming "I told you he didn't do it" then. But now that it clears the Ramsey's there's a whole list of things going on, LOL. Even that John paid someone off.
 
Hi Mushy

So....the DNA from a tiny speck in her underpants is good enough to clear Karr. He's excluded.


It was a lot more than that. Karr was proven to have not even been in the state of Colorado anywhere near the date of the murder.
 
Speaking of John Mark Karr, he's on Greta now. What a creep. He really gives me the creeps.
 
Case on GVS now

Why is the world does Greta have John Mark Karr on as a guest? He actually has nothing to do with this case and he is just and attention seeker and Greta is giving it to him. What a waste of guest time. She could have had soomeone on who matters! I'm pissed at greta now.
 
Well, the way I read one report was that only sections of the longjohns were tested, not the whole thing.

And yes, I say show me the money: there has GOT to be other DNA on some of those items.

I caught Mike Kane on Dan Abrams. He's not too enthused by this news. He said that it's only Mary Lacy's opinion, and that the next person might say something else.

Like I said: keep an open mind. But I'm a "believe it when I see it" kind of guy.

Thanks Dave.

I'm with you.

Watching Nancy Grace now & she's trying to pin down WHAT was found in the underwear.... sperm? What?

Ollie says (wasn't he an investigator or PI?) it was NOT sperm... it was "a liquid either from the mouth or from when the brush was inserted in the vagina."


Ok... makes you wonder what might have been on the brush handle BEFORE that night.

If it was used on JB and it could have been transferred from handle to hand to JB to JB's clothes.

IIRC they never did locate part of the brush??? That's missing with a potential cloth that wiped here after the attack.
 
Speaking of John Mark Karr, he's on Greta now. What a creep. He really gives me the creeps.

Ewwwwww.

Last I heard the guy's a pedophile who deals in CP and that's who the news goes to for insight?

Only in America, kiddos.
 

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