The Science Fair-IB Expo and the Electric Project

[SurfieTX]

is this in response to the alternate theory that Kyron has been vaporized?

LOL, no. This is in response to Kyron's friend's testimony that Kyron last told him he was going to see the "cool electric one", i.e. science project.

 

[32beatspersecond]

LOL, no. This is in response to Kyron's friend's testimony that Kyron last told him he was going to see the "cool electric one", i.e. science project.

LOL - I know I was making light of the situation and making fun of another forum.

 

[Billylee]

Hmm..I was just re-reading some things and this stood out to me:

"One person who has been asked again about what he saw is Skyline seventh-grader T.K., whose science fair project was on antimatter. He said investigators came back to interview him last week at his home."

"He said when he saw Kyron in the gym he didn’t see Terri Horman with him. He and his family have turned over pictures they took at the science fair to investigators, but they’ve been asked not to disclose the timeframe in which he saw Kyron."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98434609.html

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ANTIMATTER: Positrons and antiprotons can individually be stored in a device called a Penning trap, which uses a combination of magnetic field and electric fields to hold charged particles in a vacuum.

http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/Antimatter

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Is this project the "cool electric one?"

Thanks Surfie, that does sound like it may have been the "cool electric one".

 

[ThoughtFox]

The more I think about this, the more I think the "cool electric project" is just a major red herring and has nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance.

Terri didn't have to lure him away with a promise of seeing it, especially if the judging of the science projects was on Thursday instead of Friday. Kyron might have mentioned it to the kid even if he had already seen it the day before.

All Terri had to do was tell Kyron to come outside with her. There's no evidence he was disobediant to her and I think she probably used that to lure him outside. Simple. JMOO

 

[Billylee]

The more I think about this, the more I think the "cool electric project" is just a major red herring and has nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance.

Terri didn't have to lure him away with a promise of seeing it, especially if the judging of the science projects was on Thursday instead of Friday. Kyron might have mentioned it to the kid even if he had already seen it the day before.

All Terri had to do was tell Kyron to come outside with her. There's no evidence he was disobediant to her and I think she probably used that to lure him outside. Simple. JMOO

So, you think that TP who quoted Kyron, made it up and is telling a lie?

 

[gwenabob]

So, you think that TP who quoted Kyron, made it up and is telling a lie?

I think he got his days confused. I think that incident actually happened on Thursday, not Friday.

 

[Billylee]

I think he got his days confused. I think that incident actually happened on Thursday, not Friday.

Could be, but I don't think so, because I don't think the kids were running around viewing the projects on Thursday, from what I recall, that was just on Friday that they got to go see the other classes projects.

 

[gwenabob]

Could be, but I don't think so, because I don't think the kids were running around viewing the projects on Thursday, from what I recall, that was just on Friday that they got to go see the other classes projects.

It is my understanding that they did indeed view the projects on Thursday afternoon.

 

[Chili Fries]

Thanks Surfie, that does sound like it may have been the "cool electric one".

Just being about antimatter doesn't indicate his project would be referred to as the electric one. The science Surfie quoted refers to a sophisticated device I doubt would be part of a children's science fair.

My guess would be the electric project was one with cool looking flashing lights or moving parts, or maybe a Van de Graaff generator, which is the device you see at science museums that looks like a pole with a ball on top. It generates static electricity so when people touch it their hair stands up. They are also associated with Frankenstein movies because they can create flashes of electricity that look like mini lightning.

 

[ThoughtFox]

So, you think that TP who quoted Kyron, made it up and is telling a lie?

I think he's telling the truth as he remembers it.

What I think is a red herring is the way people run away with this remark as major evidence of what happened to Kyron.

I think he got his days confused. I think that incident actually happened on Thursday, not Friday.

It is my understanding that they did indeed view the projects on Thursday afternoon.

I think gwenabob is correct in both statements.

 

[Billylee]

It is my understanding that they did indeed view the projects on Thursday afternoon.

I never read that, do you have a link? I know they set up on Thursday, that's all I ever read.

 

[SurfieTX]

Just being about antimatter doesn't indicate his project would be referred to as the electric one. The science Surfie quoted refers to a sophisticated device I doubt would be part of a children's science fair.

My guess would be the electric project was one with cool looking flashing lights or moving parts, or maybe a Van de Graaff generator, which is the device you see at science museums that looks like a pole with a ball on top. It generates static electricity so when people touch it their hair stands up. They are also associated with Frankenstein movies because they can create flashes of electricity that look like mini lightning.

The student who did the antimatter project was a 7th grader.

In any event, I noticed in that same article that he said he saw Kyron without Terri, which indicates to me that Terri and Kyron must have split up at some point that morning - which also jives with the truck being moved.

 

[Chili Fries]

The student who did the antimatter project was a 7th grader.

In any event, I noticed in that same article that he said he saw Kyron without Terri, which indicates to me that Terri and Kyron must have split up at some point that morning - which also jives with the truck being moved.

Hope you didn't think I was being rude Surfie, just that I'm a scientist and I don't think a 7th grader would have a Penning device.

We also have the statement by MCSO spokesperson Mary Lindstrand, who said:

"His stepmother and he were in the school looking at the science fair, had been in 2 or 3 different classrooms. I am told he went up one stairwell, she went up the other stairwell. She saw him walking down the hall toward his classroom, and that’s the last she saw him.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html?tab=video

 

[SurfieTX]

Hope you didn't think I was being rude Surfie, just that I'm a scientist and I don't think a 7th grader would have a Penning device.

We also have the statement by MCSO spokesperson Mary Lindstrand, who said:

"His stepmother and he were in the school looking at the science fair, had been in 2 or 3 different classrooms. I am told he went up one stairwell, she went up the other stairwell. She saw him walking down the hall toward his classroom, and that’s the last she saw him.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html?tab=video

No worries. I didn't think you were rude at all. Heck, I didn't even know what "antimatter" really was 100% anyway.

 

[DreamyEye]

I can't entirely dismiss the "cool electric project" as a possible ruse, whether it was used by TH or someone more on the order of an opportunistic pedophile. Because it just doesn't seem likely that Kyron was taken by force. That school was just teaming with people. Anyone who tried to grab a kid couldn't be certain of being able to do it without being seen. The way it's been described, it was a scenario in which someone could have popped in or out of a classroom or around a corner, or into a restroom at any moment.

What seems more likely is that Kyron unwittingly helped his abductor by following instructions, whether that was something like 'come see my cool electric project' or 'meet me at the car when it's time to go to your appointment.' I think it was only possible for someone to take him after telling him to be at a certain place at a certain time, thereby allowing the abductor to direct Kyron to a place where he/they would not be seen.

It seems likely to me that LE knows more about the electric project than they are saying. After all, the person who did something to Kryon is out there somewhere and has access to all the same media sources that we do. I think LE is not saying much about the electric project either because it's very significant and they don't want to alert the perp that they're pursuing it ... or because they've looked into it and decided it's not a factor.

I will say this much: In these kinds of school things that I'm aware of, if there was really an electric project that Kryon was going out of his way to see and described as cool, then likely most of the kids knew about it and would be able to tell LE 'oh yeah, that was George's project' or 'oh, that's the one the 6th graders did.' Because kids "buzz" among themselves about these kinds of things. Everyone wants to see what the others regard as "cool." Everyone wants to get on the inside track. Kyron's own project was not about electricity, so there is no reason to think that he had any special interest in electricity. It sounds more like he had heard others (or one other) tout the project as something special to see. So to me, this was either a well known science project among the kids, or it didn't exist and was a ruse ... not anything in between.

And while LE may choose not to release everything they know about the cool electric project, there would be no reason that reporters couldn't ask around among students, teachers, and parents willing to discuss that day and find out WAS there one project, based on electricity, that was a little more interesting and exciting than the others?

I'm kind of leaning toward thinking that if anyone had done anything all that unique and amazing, a lot of students, parents, and teachers would know exactly which one it was. It's kind of telling to me that this has not been addressed by anyone who was actually there that day, except for the one friend Kryon made the comment to. (And no, I don't think the friend was lying or mixed up about the day.)

 

[BeanE]

I think he got his days confused. I think that incident actually happened on Thursday, not Friday.

Could be, but I don't think so, because I don't think the kids were running around viewing the projects on Thursday, from what I recall, that was just on Friday that they got to go see the other classes projects.

I think gwenabob is correct in both statements.

I never read that, do you have a link? I know they set up on Thursday, that's all I ever read.

I didn't see any links provided for the above, so I did a little research, and came up with these:

I transcribed this from the 25 minute audio interview with the Oregonian, where Kaine says the students did their science reports on Thursday:

Kaine: Her (Terri's) story was that they had walked through and done the project on Thursday, which I believe they had done. They had done their reports on Thursday. It still had to be on display for the science fair.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html


Valhall's blog post about the 25 minute audio where she speculates that the students may have formally toured on Thursday afternoon, and speculates further that TP is recalling something from Thursday:

While it was not explicitly stated what day Terri took the project to school, Kaine explicitly states that Terri did use the pickup on a previous day (it is assumed by this writer it was Thursday) to take the project to school.

Contrary to previous understandings the classes formally toured the science fair on Thursday and did their “reports”. This most likely means that TP’s recollections of events about a 6 student group and a “substitute teacher” who led them through the fair is about Thursday. It also most likely means that TP’s recollection of Kyron saying he wanted to go back and see the cool “electric” project was on Thursday. This is not confirmed, but it starts to make TP’s account “work”.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/28/kyron-horman-case-parents-give-informative-interview/


I hope that helps figure where the Thursday stuff may have come from, Billylee. It's all I could find.

 

[ThoughtFox]

BeanE: The day Gwenabob and I talked about this I tried for an hour to find a transcript of Kaine talking about Thursday. I don't think it's a big mystery of this case or anything, so I dropped it. Plus as I said in a previous post, I find this topic to be a red herring anyway, leading nowhere. JMOO

I didn't see any links provided for the above, so I did a little research, and came up with these:

I transcribed this from the 25 minute audio interview with the Oregonian, where Kaine says the students did their science reports on Thursday:

Kaine: Her (Terri's) story was that they had walked through and done the project on Thursday, which I believe they had done. They had done their reports on Thursday. It still had to be on display for the science fair.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html

Thanks, I think that's a good enough source, coming from Kaine himself. He has no reason to lie about this information. This is also really old news that I believe is established and has been discussed on several threads.

Valhall's blog post about the 25 minute audio where she speculates that the students may have formally toured on Thursday afternoon, and speculates further that TP is recalling something from Thursday:

While it was not explicitly stated what day Terri took the project to school, Kaine explicitly states that Terri did use the pickup on a previous day (it is assumed by this writer it was Thursday) to take the project to school.

Right - that blogger is confirming that her source is the one you posted above, with the quote from Kaine. So that's where all of us got it.

 

[PaulaF513]

I think he got his days confused. I think that incident actually happened on Thursday, not Friday.

That's what the school administrator saud. Was there a science fair with chaperons on Thursday as well as Friday?

 

[PaulaF513]

I really need to read the entire thread before posting questions.