The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[USARDOG]

This has been an interesting thread for me, because it clearly shows how difficult it will be for the defense to come up with anything that doesn't start with, "Would you believe," or, "Imagine," or, "Once upon a time."

 

[songline]

Multiple flat tires within a month - one one night and two another night after she left a nightclub.

Casey told one of her friends that she thought someone was tampering with her car.

The gas gauge possibly not working - it needs to be tested to see if this is true or not. Stalkers have been known to siphon gas from their victim's cars in order to put them in a situation where they need to be rescued or to control their movements.

The big emotional incident at the "Anything but Clothes" party in May where Casey disappeared for an hour and had been crying - she told others that she had a miscarriage with a guy at the party - but she lies so much, why would we believe she told the truth about the cause of her being so terribly upset that night? What if she was threatened by someone there?

Casey desperately gloming onto any male - moving in with TL - could she have been hiding from someone? She seemed to be splitting off with her original core group of friends and moving into a new circle - her old circle didn't even know where Casey was living.

Being nervous about her or Annie sitting near the window in the house when Annie visited her.

The defense can also use the fact that Casey didn't flee when she had multiple opportunities to do so as an indication that she really was trying to get Caylee back from someone.

See, the thing is, the evidence CAN be spun in multiple directions, not just the direction that the Prosecution has taken it.

As to the identity of the guy - it could be anyone - the defense is not required to identify him or prove that he did anything. The job of the defense is to force the prosecution to prove their case. Honestly, with the stuff that has been released so far, I'm not convinced they have enough to win a conviction. I hope they have more and stronger evidence. Hopefully they do. But we won't know until the trial.

Princess Rose I really enjoy reading your posts very much;
You are a thinking person that is able to articulate your thought so well. :blowkiss:

 

[countzero]

This has been an interesting thread for me, because it clearly shows how difficult it will be for the defense to come up with anything that doesn't start with, "Would you believe," or, "Imagine," or, "Once upon a time."

I hope this thread continues for the same reasons too.

bold by me: On summary, an attorney might consider using similar analogues if the charges were on the level of a misdemeanor or a class one felony. We are talking DP here, not fairy tales.

If not JB, then someone on KC's team needs to get across to her the physical and forensic evidence isn't in her favor and each of the attorneys need to remember that KC's life existence is in their care. She isn't a client to make a quick buck or name off of.

And no I certainly am not defending KC. I am all for any defendant getting proper and adequate counsel as the charges relate. One wouldn't retain a real estate attorney to defend a medical malpractice suit. By the way, still waiting to hear who will be the DP lead attorney for KC. Why is this JB keeping this such a secret?????

 

[songline]

This has been an interesting thread for me, because it clearly shows how difficult it will be for the defense to come up with anything that doesn't start with, "Would you believe," or, "Imagine," or, "Once upon a time."

I love this thread, it allows me to see that there are many people thinking and looking at the possibilities.
The Defense will have a grueling time, hard time would not be so bad.
BUT all they need is one piece that can make the difference.
Maybe Casey is all bad in a cute disguise.
WHAT IF she is not????????

Is baffles me how often I read here "just lock her up"
I would call that a lazy prosecution, without an attempt to get all the details.
That is NOT justice.

 

[songline]

I hope this thread continues for the same reasons too.

bold by me: On summary, an attorney might consider using similar analogues if the charges were on the level of a misdemeanor or a class one felony. We are talking DP here, not fairy tales.

If not JB, then someone on KC's team needs to get across to her the physical and forensic evidence isn't in her favor and each of the attorneys need to remember that KC's life existence is in their care. She isn't a client to make a quick buck or name off of.
And no I certainly am not defending KC. I am all for any defendant getting proper and adequate counsel as the charges relate. One wouldn't retain a real estate attorney to defend a medical malpractice suit. By the way, still waiting to hear who will be the DP lead attorney for KC. Why is this JB keeping this such a secret?????

:clap::clap::clap::clap: GREAT POST in its entity.
The part I made bold concerns me deeply.

 

[songline]

I expressed interest early on in this thread that I'd love to see an SODDI thread survive for a while - and be respectful, so kudos! I think you've all set a new WS record for a KC SODDI thread survival rate.

Great thread. Hope it survives this post.

:wink:

I hope it survives till the trial.

 

[USARDOG]

Songline, I just haven't seen one single piece of evidence that would point to someone else. Any/all of the SOD's require ignoring evidence, or manufacturing evidence that does not exist. Her movemnts are well documented, her conversations are all logged. She has no contact with anyone who might have done this.

I hope I have an open mind, but sometimes that means calling a spade a spade, and not trying so see something that does not exist.

 

[countzero]

:clap::clap::clap::clap: GREAT POST in its entity.
The part I made bold concerns me deeply.

You, me and countless others. I certainly am open to consideration of any and all evidence the defense can muster to show the SA and us.

I am very concerned by the manner of JB's presence in KC's case; the constant media gab, the barage of briefs that were denied, the list goes on and on.

I so applaud Judge Strickland forcing KC to attend hearings. And legally I don't believe there is much the courts can do with an attorney, in good standing, who might or might not be giving his client sound legal advice. Note I stated in good standing since there are grievances filed against JB with the bar association currently unresolved.

In other words, I don't know if there is any legal precedence where an attorney has been replaced on the issuance of the court due to lack of qualifications or representation or plainly put, didn't do his/her job.


Just had another thought re: SODDI theory. Who is on the defense witness list who would be a likely witness to the SODDI theory(s)????? Not counting the A's of course, since they are already lined up on the curb waiting for the JB power bus .............

 

[songline]

Songline, I just haven't seen one single piece of evidence that would point to someone else. Any/all of the SOD's require ignoring evidence, or manufacturing evidence that does not exist. Her movemnts are well documented, her conversations are all logged. She has no contact with anyone who might have done this.

I hope I have an open mind, but sometimes that means calling a spade a spade, and not trying so see something that does not exist.

I know that I have not seen any either. (reply to bold)
What I see are things that make me look between the lines and question them.
IN the end you may be right. Believe me I am not bent on being right - not at all
IMO a person that just needs to be right - is not right :crazy:
But a 22 year old girls life hangs in the balance
I do know this - just a couple of points
Not everything we see is as we see it.
Much has been cleaned up.
LE - does not have to tell us all they DO have.
Where is the money coming from?
Why JB? - I do not believe we have the answer to that.

I also know this - I am in NO denial
31 days' ????
KC lies and steals = bad moral code.
Family totally dysfunctional.

PS - OT
Yesterday I listened to Lee's voluntary interview 9 tapes (early on in the investigation).
seemed like a nice enough guy, but in my perception, he laughed too much - indication of a very nervous kid,
who also does not know how to access a range of emotions.

but he seemed sincere and honest and gave them plenty.
IMO - He is scared for his sister.
He reminded me of an old song Funny little clown; he is laughing on the outside, but crying on the inside.

 

[songline]

You, me and countless others. I certainly am open to consideration of any and all evidence the defense can muster to show the SA and us.

I am very concerned by the manner of JB's presence in KC's case; the constant media gab, the barage of briefs that were denied, the list goes on and on.

I so applaud Judge Strickland forcing KC to attend hearings.
That may be the only way she may know how much ddp chit she is in .
And legally I don't believe there is much the courts can do with an attorney, in good standing, who might or might not be giving his client sound legal advice. Note I stated in good standing since there are grievances filed against JB with the bar association currently unresolved.
The entire JB thing is driving me to drink, almost :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

In other words, I don't know if there is any legal precedence where an attorney has been replaced on the issuance of the court due to lack of qualifications or representation or plainly put, didn't do his/her job.
He is not qualified to handle a DP case he only graduated in 2006, I hope we will see a change in venue.

Just had another thought re: SODDI theory. Who is on the defense witness list who would be a likely witness to the SODDI theory(s)????? Not counting the A's of course, since they are already lined up on the curb waiting for the JB power bus .............No idea..

countzero; Hang in there for justice sake.

 

[faefrost]

You, me and countless others. I certainly am open to consideration of any and all evidence the defense can muster to show the SA and us.

I am very concerned by the manner of JB's presence in KC's case; the constant media gab, the barage of briefs that were denied, the list goes on and on.

I so applaud Judge Strickland forcing KC to attend hearings. And legally I don't believe there is much the courts can do with an attorney, in good standing, who might or might not be giving his client sound legal advice. Note I stated in good standing since there are grievances filed against JB with the bar association currently unresolved.

In other words, I don't know if there is any legal precedence where an attorney has been replaced on the issuance of the court due to lack of qualifications or representation or plainly put, didn't do his/her job.

Just had another thought re: SODDI theory. Who is on the defense witness list who would be a likely witness to the SODDI theory(s)????? Not counting the A's of course, since they are already lined up on the curb waiting for the JB power bus .............

Sure there has. While uncommon I don't believe it is outside the norm. heck isn't part of how they finally nailed John Gotti was when the court blocked his normal lawyer from representing him that time?

Plus if the court is to take any action, ideally they would do it now or soon. If there is any question of an appeal due to incompetant concil then the court will take action before the trial begins. Replacing JB well before trial negates that direction of appeal. His incompetance now is alot less an issue then if it would be to displayed once an actual trial has begun.

 

[USARDOG]

JB, despite his assertions, from what i understand, must be replaced because he is not DP qualified. I think this could be the reason for the delay announcing who that will be, because Jb does not want to give up the reigns, and other DP qualified are not willing to pretend they are lead chair, but really taking second chair to Jb. A good attorney who's rep is on the line, wants to be in control, and this is as it should be.

 

[MAMABEAR]

So USARDOG---do you think there is a new lawyer? Maybe JB can't find one who is ready to be the puppet?

 

[USARDOG]

So USARDOG---do you think there is a new lawyer? Maybe JB can't find one who is ready to be the puppet?

Yes, that's what i'm thinking too. His ego is too big to take second seat, and the DP qualified recognize it and don't want to play.

 

[Kathy1964]

Yes, that's what i'm thinking too. His ego is too big to take second seat, and the DP qualified recognize it and don't want to play.

What happens if JB can't find anyone willing to do this?

 

[MAMABEAR]

Read here somewhere that if there isn't one in the allotted time frame that KC will be given one of them court appointed lawyers. That lawyer would go in and get all the info of the case and can fire anybody he/she chooses. I hope I membered that right.

 

[USARDOG]

What happens if JB can't find anyone willing to do this?

I have 2 guesses...

1. Someone will. (The pubicity will be too big to turn down for someone.) If not...

2. The court would appoint one.

 

[songline]

What happens if JB can't find anyone willing to do this?

Cant say I blame them :twocents:
Not everybody's moral standers is to jump on the gravy train.
It pleases me to see people with good values.

 

[panthera]

I hope this thread continues for the same reasons too.

bold by me: On summary, an attorney might consider using similar analogues if the charges were on the level of a misdemeanor or a class one felony. We are talking DP here, not fairy tales.

If not JB, then someone on KC's team needs to get across to her the physical and forensic evidence isn't in her favor and each of the attorneys need to remember that KC's life existence is in their care. She isn't a client to make a quick buck or name off of.

And no I certainly am not defending KC. I am all for any defendant getting proper and adequate counsel as the charges relate. One wouldn't retain a real estate attorney to defend a medical malpractice suit. By the way, still waiting to hear who will be the DP lead attorney for KC. Why is this JB keeping this such a secret?????

(bolding mine)

In that case, someone needs to get it across to her it's time to tell the truth and maybe she can negotiate LWOP instead of risking a death sentence a jury might recommend.

I honestly am not seeing any plausible SODDI theories as much as I'd like to try. The cadaver dogs hitting on her car trunk along with her own parents' initial reaction to the smell of a dead body coming from it, then add in Caylee's remains found right down the street from the house with items from the house ~ then factor in Casey not reporting Caylee missing, her partying behavior ~ and it seals the deal. MOO

 

[panthera]

JB, despite his assertions, from what i understand, must be replaced because he is not DP qualified. I think this could be the reason for the delay announcing who that will be, because Jb does not want to give up the reigns, and other DP qualified are not willing to pretend they are lead chair, but really taking second chair to Jb. A good attorney who's rep is on the line, wants to be in control, and this is as it should be.

I think he still may be having problems finding a death-qualified lawyer, maybe because of the defense he may be presenting at trial. MOO