The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

[katiecoolady]

If the jury is DP certified, does that mean they all have agreed they could give DP?

Yes. It's in the voirdire.

 

[HarvestMoon]

With LWOP she gets to be more social in the system. With the DP, she's more isolated but gets to be a star outside the system.

I know a few things about this process as my sister's killers were sentenced to Death in AZ in 1990 and our family has been dragged through the appellate process for 23 years. The DP is NOT the preferred sentence in terms of impact on victims families. There is a momentary satisfaction knowing the worst of the worst got the worst of the worst sentence but that is short lived.

One of my sister's killers got off Death Row a couple of years ago because of a mental retardation claim. Jodi will also probably get this argued for her too with educated attorneys doing so with a straight face. It dragged our family through another mini trial and so much retraumatizing I can't even enumerate it here. Not to mention MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars.

Once on death row Jodi will receive some of the best legal assistance there is. Also at tax payer expense. She will have websites set up for her in Canada which request donations and correspondence. She will likely be married shortly after she's on DR. This is the furthest sentence from a "lock the door and throw away the key" there is. In fact, Jodi will have a far better chance of being RELEASED from prison on Death Row than if she gets LWOP. Simply because more people are fighting for her for much longer there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the DP for it's sake. I have no reason to see my sister's killers executed but I don't oppose it. I just know what that sentence does to families. So I have ambivalence about it.

I'll get off my soapbox now. I'll be ok with either sentence but my suspicion is she will in fact get the DP.

I am so sorry to hear of your sister's death, and your long and painful experience. I cannot imagine the emotional pain and exhaustion, as a result of all of this.

It's downright sad the twists and turns out judicial process has taken.

With JA she will no doubt have books and a movie made. It's absurd. And yes, unbelievably , marriage proposals will come.

 

[human]

With LWOP she gets to be more social in the system. With the DP, she's more isolated but gets to be a star outside the system.

I know a few things about this process as my sister's killers were sentenced to Death in AZ in 1990 and our family has been dragged through the appellate process for 23 years. The DP is NOT the preferred sentence in terms of impact on victims families. There is a momentary satisfaction knowing the worst of the worst got the worst of the worst sentence but that is short lived.

One of my sister's killers got off Death Row a couple of years ago because of a mental retardation claim. Jodi will also probably get this argued for her too with educated attorneys doing so with a straight face. It dragged our family through another mini trial and so much retraumatizing I can't even enumerate it here. Not to mention MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars.

Once on death row Jodi will receive some of the best legal assistance there is. Also at tax payer expense. She will have websites set up for her in Canada which request donations and correspondence. She will likely be married shortly after she's on DR. This is the furthest sentence from a "lock the door and throw away the key" there is. In fact, Jodi will have a far better chance of being RELEASED from prison on Death Row than if she gets LWOP. Simply because more people are fighting for her for much longer there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the DP for it's sake. I have no reason to see my sister's killers executed but I don't oppose it. I just know what that sentence does to families. So I have ambivalence about it.

I'll get off my soapbox now. I'll be ok with either sentence but my suspicion is she will in fact get the DP.

Thanks for the DP explanation.

Sorry to hear about your situation. There is nothing to say. It is a nightmare but it is real

 

[Quester]

Wow. I don't know. I think if I were Mr. MM I'd be worried that the first question from the jury would be...."Do you have an alibi for June 4, 2008?" jmo

Yes, maybe the DT are going to try to use this ex as a patsy? - IOW, a reason for reasonable doubt?

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Anyone think there is a shower, a gun, and a knife being used in a reenactment this weekend to see if Jodi's story is really going to work for that SD claim?
I vote for Kermi for the naked guy.

 

[katiecoolady]

I am so sorry to hear of your sister's death, and your long and painful experience. I cannot imagine the emotional pain and exhaustion, as a result of all of this.

It's downright sad the twists and turns out judicial process has taken.

With JA she will no doubt have books and a movie made. It's absurd. And yes, unbelievably , marriage proposals will come.

One of my sister's killers' attorneys requested delays and delays for this mental retardation mini trial putting my 70 something (then) father on hold literally for years as he (we) had to retestify. Once they finally landed on a firm date, my father had a prepaid trip to China which the Judge refused to push back the hearing for ONE WEEK so my Dad could go. After 7 yrs of adjusting his life around proposed dates, it ended up he had to cancel that trip and will likely never go now.

In that hearing the Judge was the only finder of fact, was a known DP opponent, ruled every single thing in favor of the defense and in the end ruled he was mentally retarded (after ruling that no evidence could be submitted of his behavior after the age of 18...meaning the CRIME with it's sophisticated premeditation and cover up could not be admitted as evidence toward this new sentencing for THAT CRIME). Talk about insanity. Millions of dollars...MILLIONS. OUR money. Our system in so many ways is so insanely skewed toward the evil worst of the worst in our culture it's ...inject your own adjective. Scary doesn't do it.

I just know how hard it is to get and keep a murderer in prison. This man, after having spent nearly 2 decades in prison on DEATH ROW almost was put in a position where he would be up for parole in 5 more years I think. I drove by myself out of town to read this Impact Statement and the State's atty told me he thought this was the reason our biased Judge didn't give him a new sentence that could allow for a possible release (this was her last case before she retired...it was so obvious where her head was at).

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/07/retarded_german_killer_rudi_ap.php

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Sorry if that came off as insensitive. I meant any naked guy, any wacko with a gun and knife. And any shower clean enough to sit in naked.

 

[atthelake]

It is him, I am certain. Right age, location. He is in foodservice and has Jodi's little sister in his friends list. He has a photo posted of a view off the deck of Ventana- (I think thats the name)- a restaurant that I think JA used to work at.

Give me a minute to cut and paste two very interesting comments from his page- one from a "Jodi" with her tell tale smiley face at the end.

Be right back...

Llast night I saw a show that does oting of scams on dating sites where they used google image search and apparently you drag a photo and google does a pixle search thingy (you can see I am not technical) to find that this person lifted and copied a photo from another site. Could this be done with this phot to see if appears elsewhere on net. Has anyone tried this before?

 

[shelley921]

Obviously she lied during voir dire so it would have been appropriate to send a note to the judge and I would think she would have been replaced by an alternate. I had a friend who was on a jury and one of the jurors admitted he lied and she sent a note to the judge. The judge asked to speak with her in his chambers without the other jurors being aware and the juror who lied was immediately replaced. This person was in the legal field so she knew it was wrong. I guess some people feel uncomfortable reporting other's but if jurors know it's wrong the court appreciates them reporting it. jmo

yes she was not truthful during voire dire or she didn't take the question seriously enough and really think about it like the rest of us did. or she was so dumb she did not have enough intellect to understand the question at the time it was asked. i was upset with the foreman because yes he should have notified the judge. i should have insisted on it. could i have sent a note to the judge myself i wonder now? or can only the foreman send notes? i think as you do--the judge would want to know and i know the judge would have replaced her - we had 3 alternates standing by. this is one reason why juries scare me. there are some real limited people on them sometimes.

 

[lil_buddy]

Have you guys seen that this Matt McCartney has supposedly posted comments on the 'jodiariasisinnocent' site about how she didn't do it, she's so gentle she wouldn't even kill spiders?

I don't know if I should copy it here or let u guys find it via googling...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The stab to the heart? I happened to just hear the ME being questioned by the DT about the angle, and he said if it was upward, it was very slight.

MOO

That would mean he was standing slightly above her when she stabbed him?

He was 5'9" wasnt he and she was a little shorter right?

If so that is consistent imo.

 

[katiecoolady]

Jodi will never profit from this crime no matter where she lands. But you know there will be episodes of Snapped and all those shows and hopefully she will continue to talk to them as every lie she tells can be used against her down the line.

Has Law and Order done this crime yet? They seems to knock off all these high profile trials.

 

[com n sense]

You sure do get a feel for how much TIME she was operating with. That minute seems like forever! Yes he does look surprised in that one pic. I still think by the time he was sittingon the shower floor, she had some kind of weapon on him, threatening and ordering him.

I had something happen to me one time that was beyond terrifying
Before I knew it my legs gave out & I went down. It was caused by fear.

 

[atthelake]

The angle of the stab wound was upward though

IMHO the defense spent quite soe time ad naseum on this point about being upward, which makes me beleive the prosecution should prepare for them saying this one could not have been done first,,,do not know where headed but sitting down photo, this could not be first stab. Also, seemed to e they were going to tie lunging with gunshot? Like he had head down charging at her like a bull and she was left handed therefore right temple to left cheek?


Moo like a cow!

 

[Madeleine74]

Doesn't matter what anyone else is posting on FB. Arias through her attorneys went on record, legal record, that she committed the killing. Anyone trying to deny that fact is several fries short of a happy meal.

She did it. It happened. She stabbed, sliced, and shot him. Thems the facts no matter how much some people are trying to deny it ever happened.

 

[LambChop]

yes she was not truthful during voire dire or she didn't take the question seriously enough and really think about it like the rest of us did. or she was so dumb she did not have enough intellect to understand the question at the time it was asked. i was upset with the foreman because yes he should have notified the judge. i should have insisted on it. could i have sent a note to the judge myself i wonder now? or can only the foreman send notes? i think as you do--the judge would want to know and i know the judge would have replaced her - we had 3 alternates standing by. this is one reason why juries scare me. there are some real limited people on them sometimes.

I believe you can. I know she did and she wasn't the foreman. She also was surprised no one else reported him. So how many other things slip by because jurors are unsure what to do about this type of situation. As I said she was in the legal field so she knew he was wrong to have lied and caught the lie right away. jmo

 

[chakti]

I am not sure what time, if any is on this photo, but I believe this is the moment when he became aware that she was THERE. I tend to think that he actually saw her to the door, and she left, but then she snuck back in.

I think this also.

 

[LambChop]

Have you guys seen that this Matt McCartney has supposedly posted comments on the 'jodiariasisinnocent' site about how she didn't do it, she's so gentle she wouldn't even kill spiders?

I don't know if I should copy it here or let u guys find it via googling...

Not sure. Can you link?

 

[Madeleine74]

I tried to read all the threads from the last several days but had to give up. It's just pages and pages and pages of speculation about each movement of the killer and what someone thinks happened, along with more opinions, along with imagining each thought Travis had or must have had. Did she raise her right arm? Her left arm? Did she move forward on her right foot? Left foot? Was he sleepy? Angry? Tired? Intrigued? Did she bend at the waist. Did he cross one foot over the other? Did he try and raise his hand to block? On and on and on it goes. And we will never know the exact sequence of events. We'll certainly never know what either of them thought at any point, nor what Travis knew, didn't know, suspected, didn't suspect, thought, didn't think, etc, etc. It will all and forever remain a mystery.

Thank goodness none of that is needed to obtain a conviction or no case would ever conclude.

 

[katiecoolady]

I had something happen to me one time that was beyond terrifying
Before I knew it my legs gave out & I went down. It was caused by fear.

Interesting...could be how Travis ended up on the shower floor.